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  • Archers and the World Boss - should it be changed???

    In a word NO.

    Now before you all start ranting and raving about how much more gold an archer can make, and how important gold is, let me try and explain how I came to this conclusion.

    I admit that on average I get more gold/daru in the World Boss than a knight/mage of the same level as me. Roughly I can get 30% more gold per world boss without too much trouble.

    That said, gold is not used at the World Boss so lets take it to an area where gold is used -------------The Astral System.


    Now here is where the evidence starts to mount up that an Archer should in fact be earning much more gold than any other class. Why you may ask....well let me break it down.

    At lv 65 each character has 6 Astral slots available. What you equip is a matter of choice, but it is usual that the first three are used for
    1. Patk/Matk
    2. PDEF
    3. MDEF

    So that leaves 3 open slots.

    Now a Mage/Knight chooses Enhanced will Destroyer. This is a good choice for PvP or PvE as Mage/Knight do not need crit hits to build rage!!
    So the effect is that you gain X amount of damage to EACH and EVERY attack you do.

    An archer can't really use Enhanced Will Destroyer as they depend on Crits to build rage, so what can an archer do to compensate.
    Well you build your crit astral up right??? Well not really, as you actually have to build up 2 astrals !!!

    1. Sniper's Edge - Which increases the Crit rate
    2. Determination - Which increases the Crit base damage

    But hold on, with both of those astrals in place we still can not guarantee that every hit will be increased by X amount. Every hit is not a guaranteed crit, so we are using 2 astral's for the CHANCE to gain better damage per hit!!
    So in effect Archers have to use 2 Astrals to 1 for Mage's/Knight's to gain around 80% of the advantage Will Destroyer gives in PvP or PvE.

    But we aren't finished there are we !!!!

    Now as the Archers have had to use 2 Astral slot's to Mage/Knight 1 slot, that means Mages/Knights still have a slot to play with.

    HMMMMMM.............. now in that free spot they can put any Astral they like. For example, lets put a Block astral there which reduces damage against Patk and Matk.
    The effect of this is that now the archer has to level up another 2 of the base astrals to gain some sort of level playing field, the Mdef and Pdef ones!!



    So in Conclusion

    Archers need to level up 4 astrals compared to 2 astrals for Mages/Knights to gain only 80% of the advantages.
    Archers are in fact the weakest class in the game once you hit around lv65 or so. Comparing them to Mages/Knights of the same level/equipement and cash spent etc etc etc....

    The effect of giving everyone the same gold from World Boss would be catastrophic for archers, and in effect would remove them from the game altogether as they would not be able to compete in any area of the game!!!


    SO THE WORLD BOSS REWARDS ARE NOT FAIR, EVERYONE IS RIGHT IN THAT MATTER.

    BUT THE REWARDS SHOULD ACTUALLY BE INCREASED FOR ARCHERS OR REDUCED FOR THE OTHER CLASSES TO REFLECT THE INCREASED GOLD USAGE THAT PLAYING AS AN ARCHER REQUIRES!

  • #2
    i agree with u , wb reward should increase about 100% more gold n daru for archers as they require more gold to do stuff, while knights and mages dont need gold to be good.

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    • #3
      All classes need gold and daru equally. Gold is used in a multitude of activities. Why even have a first, second or third place if one class is earmarked to get it?

      In fact, for knights and mages to even begin to compete at WB, we need to level up both crit astrals on top of our normal ones (unless character is OP).

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      • #4
        I'm cool with not being top 3. However it'd be nice if they could fix back the timing of ult slasher so knights can double hit with that again.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
          All classes need gold and daru equally. Gold is used in a multitude of activities. Why even have a first, second or third place if one class is earmarked to get it?

          In fact, for knights and mages to even begin to compete at WB, we need to level up both crit astrals on top of our normal ones (unless character is OP).
          but ts said mage and knight doesnt need to spend as much as archers , so archers must be given 100% more gold and daru in wb.
          62996
          Five Sylphs for the Heros in wartune,
          Two for the Whales in their deep blue ocean,
          Three for Mortal Men doomed to die,
          One for the Big Whales on their dark throne
          In the Land of Wartune where the heroes lie.
          One sylph to crush them all, One sylph to kill mobs,
          One sylph to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
          In the Land of Wartune where the Moby duck lie."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
            All classes need gold and daru equally. Gold is used in a multitude of activities.
            Do you actually EVER read anything and then comment on what is being posted, or just spout off that everything should be the same for everyone!!!

            The opening post described HOW and WHY archers need more gold in a PvP and a PvE situtuation to gain anything like what mages and knight benefit from!!

            Or do you just go all google eyed at the parts that show facts and figures, and explanations of how those conclusions were made!!

            As for the topic of the post, I tend to agree mostly. A well thought out and presented argument, that shows the effects of the world boss on other aspects of the game.
            Last edited by Billy_McF; 03-12-2013, 07:56 AM.

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            • #7
              Oh that's right:

              Knights and mages don't need high/max level pots.
              Knights and mages don't need to synth high level/legendary gear.
              Knights and mages don't need legendary stones from guild shop.
              Knights and mages don't need talents to be leveled.
              Knights and mages don't need to level up astrals across the board.
              Knights and mages don't need to convert gems.

              And... Billy_McF = R23600073? Same join date, check. Same exasperated exclamation point usage, check. Same types of grammar, check. Nice. Real nice.

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              • #8
                Archers are not a dominating PvP class get over it reroll.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
                  Oh that's right:

                  Knights and mages don't need high/max level pots.
                  Knights and mages don't need to synth high level/legendary gear.
                  Knights and mages don't need legendary stones from guild shop.
                  Knights and mages don't need talents to be leveled.
                  Knights and mages don't need to level up astrals across the board.
                  Knights and mages don't need to convert gems.

                  And... Billy_McF = R23600073? Same join date, check. Same exasperated exclamation point usage, check. Same types of grammar, check. Nice. Real nice.
                  Well said KnowingEyes7.

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                  • #10
                    I also forgot another issue. Free players who play tanks also need gold for HP. They take hits. Do free player archers do this? Not likely.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
                      Oh that's right:

                      Knights and mages don't need high/max level pots.
                      Knights and mages don't need to synth high level/legendary gear.
                      Knights and mages don't need legendary stones from guild shop.
                      Knights and mages don't need talents to be leveled.
                      Knights and mages don't need to level up astrals across the board.
                      Knights and mages don't need to convert gems.

                      And... Billy_McF = R23600073? Same join date, check. Same exasperated exclamation point usage, check. Same types of grammar, check. Nice. Real nice.
                      NIce valid points there

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                      • #12
                        so let me get this straight

                        archer needs...
                        Patk
                        Pdef
                        Mdef
                        snipers
                        and determination?

                        knight needs...
                        Patk
                        Mdef
                        Pdef
                        Will destro
                        and block?

                        i fail to see how that means u need more money. both toons need to level 5 astrals each and one of their choosing after and as such both have the same expenditure.

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                        • #13
                          All class need gold & daru.
                          archers already has so much advantage..

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                          • #14
                            So funny everyone stomps on archers in pvp and now they whine because they want to stomp them in wb too . Fun fun !

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
                              Oh that's right:

                              Knights and mages don't need high/max level pots.
                              Knights and mages don't need to synth high level/legendary gear.
                              Knights and mages don't need legendary stones from guild shop.
                              Knights and mages don't need talents to be leveled.
                              Knights and mages don't need to level up astrals across the board.
                              Knights and mages don't need to convert gems.

                              And... Billy_McF = R23600073? Same join date, check. Same exasperated exclamation point usage, check. Same types of grammar, check. Nice. Real nice.
                              Well according to Ts , mages and knights dont need
                              esp when they put knights in front and knights have to spend about 200- 300 contributions for hp pots.
                              While archers, well ,... its another story.
                              62996
                              Five Sylphs for the Heros in wartune,
                              Two for the Whales in their deep blue ocean,
                              Three for Mortal Men doomed to die,
                              One for the Big Whales on their dark throne
                              In the Land of Wartune where the heroes lie.
                              One sylph to crush them all, One sylph to kill mobs,
                              One sylph to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
                              In the Land of Wartune where the Moby duck lie."

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