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  • #61
    Guys Its called Power leveling, you take a lvl 80 toon and someone who can just enter spire. So then you have the lvl 80 get to stg 11 or wehat ever while the lvl 40 remains dead. still getting exp and chest from run. That is another problem, so you will have players shooting up in lvls but they will be weak at the same time unless ur a mulit 6 figure income. I do see your point on helping i get asked all the time to help and i can't because i am locked out, Its a double edge sword so they shold make it to where u get exp if you are alive on that stage to get the reward if your dead you dont get it. Only way i can see about making it even or being acceptable

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    • #62
      Originally posted by YawnQ View Post
      Sir..
      I am speaking on behalf of my fellow mates in game.We have a suggestion we like you to hear about it. The Spire and Tower of kings As for now there is rule a player can do it only once the second time we enter we can't do it.
      Suggestion
      Mine and my fellow game mates are suggesting not to the change the rule but we should be allow to play those event again but without any rewards...as Multiple-player Dun
      Reason
      Many of my friends or at times some random guys ask for help and we have to reject them and At times people miss the event because they can't get people in their team.

      So i am requesting you to look forward to my suggestion about what i mention above.
      We would be grateful if our suggestion is looked into and some helpful action is taken


      Server S295 FrostFell

      I posted a ticket but i wanted to voice my suggestion to other other guys around in all the servers.


      Guys i request you all who visit here to place your votes we might bring the change and pass this message to your in-game friends to do same.. Vote up
      I Guess this a good initiative so that we may help other guild mates or with in server friedns to do TOK for sure who are missing out ... so consider that I agree to vote on it

      Server : s88
      Game ID: Vikash
      Guild : Chaos
      Class : Knight

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      • #63
        Originally posted by jamesbacmon View Post
        well m not that much agree with this. why ?
        coz each low level like 46 with 16K BR, will take 3 strong people say 60-70 K br and every day they can earn like 9-12 spire chest and ton of exp.
        so as we have suffered and work hard so let them too be ...
        It's your thought you can share it as you wish.we don't have any issues with it.Thanks for coming here and sharing your views

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Manik668 View Post
          For everyone that thinks this will be abused, here is what I think.

          Like anything in life, some people will abuse things, and some will not. What we should pay attention to here is how much it is even possible to abuse being able to do unlimited Spire or Tower of Kings runs after the first attempt is used, similar to how multiplayer dungeons currently work.

          Concerning Spire:

          Imagine a 65k BR player helping a team with three other 30k BR players. The 30k BR players will die on boss 7 because of the frequent area of effect attacks. The 65k BR player can most likely continue on to boss 8, and will probably finish boss 8 if there are no debuffs in play. However, boss 9 will very probably kill them simply because boss 9 requires teamwork for any established strategy (either using scatter shot or timing attacks and heals).

          Imagine a team with 3 65k BR players and one 30k BR player. This team will most likely have absolutely no problem finishing boss 10, maybe even 11 depending on their ability. This is no different than a good team in a hurry accepting anyone for a 4th slot, which happens occasionally.

          For either of these two scenarios to be abused, the high BR players must dedicate countless hours to only helping low players, which I know many would be unwilling to do since it does not benefit their own character in any way, and I'm sure they have better things to do in real life and the game. However, on the occasion they have more time, or want to help a friend, or want to show someone how a pro team uses skills on higher bosses, there should be nothing wrong with that, and that is NOT abuse or cheating.

          While this may help lower level players get stronger faster, this is actually what we want because we want more people to be able to do mpds with at lvl 70+. We want other guilds to have strong players so that guild battles are more fun, for both sides. This is already happening because of a feature already in play, which is World Prosperity. If you do not want other players to get stronger, why not petition for World Prosperity to end. The goal of world prosperity is to bring new players in a server up to the level of players that have been there a while so they can play the game. It does not happen immediately, this game is very balanced, what with stamina limits and 1 attempt for multiplayer dungeons and Spire/ToK.

          Concerning Tower of Kings:

          This is a very new feature compared to Spire, and as such everyone wants to try it. But the tricky thing is, it gets hard VERY fast, and each member of the team must contribute to make it past hard lvls.

          Imagine a team with an 88k BR player, 86k BR player, 73k BR player, and 71k BR player. This team will be able to beat Tower of Kings (Normal) lvl 5. I am not one of these players, so I can only say that lvl 4 (which I have fought against) is incredibly hard to do with even at team of 60k BR players. To my knowledge, this team will not be able to do Tower of Kings (Hard) all the way to lvl 5, it just gets too hard too fast.

          Imagine the 88k BR player going with a team of 40k BR players. This team can probably do Tower of Kings (Normal) to maybe lvl 3 without too much difficulty. The 40k BR players will most certainly die, and it will be a long battle since there are two mages that just LOVE to heal themselves and cast damnation, and just don't like to die very fast. I very much doubt that this team could get to Hard difficulty, and since 40k BR players can easily get to Normal difficulty on their own, there is no big difference in rewards. They still get the 12 Shadow Souls, and just get 2 or 3 extra chests.

          And now, the deal breaker. A team with three 80k+ BR players and one player with any BR (assumed lower than 40k) can most likely clear normal, and maybe do a boss or two in hard. I have never done hard, I cannot speak to that. Would this allow the low BR player to enter Tower of Kings (Hard) alone and leave immediately, still getting the 14(?) Shadow Souls? Yes, it would, but that is only 2 extra per day and so instead of taking around 60-66 days to get the 800 Shadow Souls by doing Normal, they could get it in 57 days. This is only maybe a week early, and that would be forfeiting the experience and chests they could get by doing Normal.

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          The entire point of having these scenarios written out here, is to show that while it can be abused, and while it can give more rewards, those rewards are not significantly more and require lots of extra effort on the side of the high BR players.

          I do not see the problem of having even unlimited extra runs Spire or Tower of Kings, because it can only help the overall strength of the server, and in fact would make the game more attractive for BOTH free players and cashers. I address the casher issue here because even cashers sometimes cannot find a team to do their attempts with, either because of it being late, or for whatever reason. I know that I will always help anyone on my server with Moonevil Den, normal or nightmare, or Demon Temple if they need it and I happen to be on late. Even if they are in a different guild. Even if I do not know them.

          This game is a multiplayer game first and foremost, and being able to find teams more easily is always a good thing, and makes the game more enjoyable for everyone.

          One last note about abusing the system. For a high BR player to do Spire or Tower of Kings beyond their own attempt also means that they have to do their own attempt first. Think about it, people do their runs all day, they will never do their runs with their strong team right at the 5:00 am dungeon and stamina reset, and then go on to continuously help all of their low level friends and guild mates all day, while also doing battlegrounds and their own campaigns, and other events that happen throughout the day. They also need time to eat and sleep, and if they have a high BR, they probably have a successful life outside of the game, since BR requires skill and time, you cannot just instantly have 100k BR no matter how much you pay.

          Think about it, if you disagree with me please say your reasons, I have yet to hear a good reason for not being able to help other players with Spire and Tower of Kings.
          Normal is not hard. just depends on the set up they have 1 knight 3 mages is a nightmare... ugh i wanted to rip my hair out. But here is the kicker, i made it to stg 4 on hard with 60k BR and the others was in the 70's Tbh if they are players clones we are facing we should be able to stun them imo. But none the less it is hard. and they do need to fix the cool down when you have 2 mages al they do is spam blessing...... and pop of 5 more attcks then you i think 2 is cool but 5 is just insane and i have lvl 3 scatter and doesnt remove buffs from lvl 4 hard boss's.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by jamesbacmon View Post
            well m not that much agree with this. why ?
            coz each low level like 46 with 16K BR, will take 3 strong people say 60-70 K br and every day they can earn like 9-12 spire chest and ton of exp.
            so as we have suffered and work hard so let them too be ...
            First off, by lvl 46 (minimum level for Spire) for an average free player, they have maybe 20k-30k BR depending on if they camped or not. Also it is fairly easy to find a decent team with a few 40k BR players and get to boss 5-7 each day. That means you would only get 2-5 more chests, which usually give vouchers or shadow stones, and 300k experience for each level. This does not increase BR in any way, so it alone does not make them stronger.

            Originally posted by Jokerlox View Post
            Guys Its called Power leveling, you take a lvl 80 toon and someone who can just enter spire. So then you have the lvl 80 get to stg 11 or wehat ever while the lvl 40 remains dead. still getting exp and chest from run. That is another problem, so you will have players shooting up in lvls but they will be weak at the same time unless ur a mulit 6 figure income. I do see your point on helping i get asked all the time to help and i can't because i am locked out, Its a double edge sword so they shold make it to where u get exp if you are alive on that stage to get the reward if your dead you dont get it. Only way i can see about making it even or being acceptable
            Well, you have a point with the lvl 80 toon taking the lvl 46, but I just don't see top players like that going on Spire runs all day with lower players. No one has that much time.

            As to what you say about a casher using this to level up and then buy stuff like mounts, mount whips, lvl 60 set, and anything else, that happens anyway, and it is no problem for a casher to get levels and BR quickly. This will make no difference.

            What you say about only the people being alive on a stage collecting rewards, that is the worst idea ever. That goes completely against the fact that Spire, and Tower of Kings for that matter, is a TEAM effort. For a normal spire run, it is not so unusual to have a player that contributed in maybe avoiding the boss 4 debuff, and helping cast scatter shot on boss 9, to die from bleed and a crit on boss 10 and then the team ends up beating 11. Would you want to punish a player that worked hard to help the team get that far? I certainly would not.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Jokerlox View Post
              Normal is not hard. just depends on the set up they have 1 knight 3 mages is a nightmare... ugh i wanted to rip my hair out. But here is the kicker, i made it to stg 4 on hard with 60k BR and the others was in the 70's Tbh if they are players clones we are facing we should be able to stun them imo. But none the less it is hard. and they do need to fix the cool down when you have 2 mages al they do is spam blessing...... and pop of 5 more attcks then you i think 2 is cool but 5 is just insane and i have lvl 3 scatter and doesnt remove buffs from lvl 4 hard boss's.
              I agree that Normal is not too hard for strong players. I regularly get to stage 3 or 4 in Normal, and it takes a lot of work. That said, I still don't think you could take a low BR with a high team and complete Hard, simply because you are facing 4 players that likely have maxed skills, pve set bonuses, maxed clothes and wings, and maxed talents.

              In fact, what you say about the Blessed Light cooldown is something I have seen, and I think it is just a super high level talent, like level 5+. And my scatter shot is maxed as well. The reason it does not take away all their buffs is because they have more than 3 positive buffs active at a time. This is because activated talents and the rage reductions from ring sets count as positive buffs. This means that they could have upwards or 5 or 6 buffs going at a time. Or more, if they have every talent and depending on which skills have been used so far.
              Last edited by Manik668; 09-05-2013, 03:46 AM. Reason: Added the bit about Blessed Light and Scatter Shot.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Manik668 View Post
                First off, by lvl 46 (minimum level for Spire) for an average free player, they have maybe 20k-30k BR depending on if they camped or not. Also it is fairly easy to find a decent team with a few 40k BR players and get to boss 5-7 each day. That means you would only get 2-5 more chests, which usually give vouchers or shadow stones, and 300k experience for each level. This does not increase BR in any way, so it alone does not make them stronger.



                Well, you have a point with the lvl 80 toon taking the lvl 46, but I just don't see top players like that going on Spire runs all day with lower players. No one has that much time.

                As to what you say about a casher using this to level up and then buy stuff like mounts, mount whips, lvl 60 set, and anything else, that happens anyway, and it is no problem for a casher to get levels and BR quickly. This will make no difference.

                What you say about only the people being alive on a stage collecting rewards, that is the worst idea ever. That goes completely against the fact that Spire, and Tower of Kings for that matter, is a TEAM effort. For a normal spire run, it is not so unusual to have a player that contributed in maybe avoiding the boss 4 debuff, and helping cast scatter shot on boss 9, to die from bleed and a crit on boss 10 and then the team ends up beating 11. Would you want to punish a player that worked hard to help the team get that far? I certainly would not.
                If i was a farmer which i know a few of them and nothing is done about it. is annoying and if teh trading system came into effect then it would throw a big unbalance in the game by receiving items that are unbound say u are collecting Shadow stones or Leg stones and they are unbound once trading is put in you can push all them off on your lower level. and When i do spire my team is lvl 64 45-54k br we make to stg 9 and we dont die.. If you kill bosses 3 4 5 fast enough you do not receive a debuff if they implement the new system it would have to be done. only way to keep players from abusing it. im sorry but its the only out come i can see. be more prepared I guess i save my revive for myself when i get to mummy i die and they use rez to get rid of x2 or x3 debuff we kill then make to stg 9 or sometimes 10 and die And they need to merger kabaam servers or something the zones maps are lookin kinda barren
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                • #68
                  I have never seen someone on my server with lvl 9 wings and clothing... that is a car and house payment. are you serious...

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Jokerlox View Post
                    If i was a farmer which i know a few of them and nothing is done about it. is annoying and if teh trading system came into effect then it would throw a big unbalance in the game by receiving items that are unbound say u are collecting Shadow stones or Leg stones and they are unbound once trading is put in you can push all them off on your lower level. and When i do spire my team is lvl 64 45-54k br we make to stg 9 and we dont die.. If you kill bosses 3 4 5 fast enough you do not receive a debuff if they implement the new system it would have to be done. only way to keep players from abusing it. im sorry but its the only out come i can see. be more prepared I guess i save my revive for myself when i get to mummy i die and they use rez to get rid of x2 or x3 debuff we kill then make to stg 9 or sometimes 10 and die And they need to merger kabaam servers or something the zones maps are lookin kinda barren
                    ...
                    You bring up a good point about the trade system. However, it is already implemented in Chinese servers and will most likely be implemented in the future here. It will definitely change the game because unbound items will be going EVERYWHERE!! However, to my knowledge, while you can have other characters on your server, you cannot let them interact directly, with the punishment being a permanent ban. I have not looked into this in detail since I do not play more than one character in the same server.

                    What you say about using the spire skill to revive you and remove debuffs does NOT work. The debuff appears to go away, but you still take 40% more damage if you had 1, or more if you had more than 1. Same thing with the casting speed debuff from boss 7.

                    As for merging your servers, that is a topic for another discussion. Merges usually have at least a few unpredictable results no matter how you do it.
                    Last edited by Manik668; 09-05-2013, 03:58 AM.

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                    • #70
                      my team can complete normal in a heartbeat. We can get to level 3 in hard, 4 if we are lucky. This game is designed to be hard or you have to cash hard to be strong. Put in your time and effort. I had to, so must you. Can't find a team? Start on a new server. I am on an older server and help guildies where I can, but Im not on here to help you all the time. Spire and tok is designed for parties of YOUR LEVEL. If I go with weaker people, I get less rewards for my level. Why should I sacrifice my toon for yours? People would abuse the system if you changed it. Mp's you are already allowed to help .... spire and tok, no. that is designed for you to find people of YOUR level/br to go with. It may take you some time to clear normal. It will take us time to clear hard, eventually we will. I remember badlands was hard when I first started it. Same with Moonden. Same with Demon Temple. Just take your time and find people to play the game with. Its not easy, I know, to find a regular team, real life stuff interferes, etc. But for people who always want help for this and help for that pffft. How about I make a toon smaller than yours and YOU sacrifice YOUR attempt or that extra 3 levels at spire every day or those extra 2 chests at tok? No, no no..... I say you have to work for something. 1 attempt for tok spire and thats it!
                      Death comes when you hear the Banshee.....

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Jokerlox View Post
                        I have never seen someone on my server with lvl 9 wings and clothing... that is a car and house payment. are you serious...
                        Yes I'm serious. You do know that in Tower of Kings your opponents are wearing the Apollo clothing set, which means the clothes are at least lvl 4, and since it is an ai, and it's wartune, is it so hard to believe that they would have maxed everything? You are probably facing ai characters with maxed everything, including Lord Divine medallions, which gives them 85 rage to start with, and probably +10 rage from every action during the fight. It is the only logical explanation for spamming skills so much when their skills cost so much rage.

                        Also, I cannot stress enough how this is speculation. I do not know for sure what stats the developers gave those characters, I just know that it is comparable to the limited things I have seen from Chinese servers, where players do have maxed clothing and wings, and maxed talents.

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                        • #72
                          I don't know just maybe my thoughts most of guys being bit more selfish.We are all selfish at times but we help guys too the way you guys speaking that low levels will come up fast .Do you think every high level guy is kind ? so even if he is he would have his own things do.Maybe rarely he might give half hour for helping it's good if does so.When you were low level didn't you have problems with some things.They too have now since you have grown in level you want them to suffer as you did when you were of their level.Wouldn't you like to bring change seems many want the same old things to run.Even in the real world things were very complicated at first but as time passes by it became much more friendly if it was done in the real world why not here. this just a game?

                          Those who agree share it and help sometimes
                          Last edited by YawnQ; 09-05-2013, 04:00 AM.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by B4nsh33 View Post
                            my team can complete normal in a heartbeat. We can get to level 3 in hard, 4 if we are lucky. This game is designed to be hard or you have to cash hard to be strong. Put in your time and effort. I had to, so must you. Can't find a team? Start on a new server. I am on an older server and help guildies where I can, but Im not on here to help you all the time. Spire and tok is designed for parties of YOUR LEVEL. If I go with weaker people, I get less rewards for my level. Why should I sacrifice my toon for yours? People would abuse the system if you changed it. Mp's you are already allowed to help .... spire and tok, no. that is designed for you to find people of YOUR level/br to go with. It may take you some time to clear normal. It will take us time to clear hard, eventually we will. I remember badlands was hard when I first started it. Same with Moonden. Same with Demon Temple. Just take your time and find people to play the game with. Its not easy, I know, to find a regular team, real life stuff interferes, etc. But for people who always want help for this and help for that pffft. How about I make a toon smaller than yours and YOU sacrifice YOUR attempt or that extra 3 levels at spire every day or those extra 2 chests at tok? No, no no..... I say you have to work for something. 1 attempt for tok spire and thats it!
                            Of course people want to abuse the system. But can you name any high BR person that will help a bunch of low players every day, with everything they want? I know I can't. Even on established servers there are new players starting, and there are lower guilds for those players. The occasional help from someone is ok, and probably will happen if a player seems dedicated to that server and wants to grow as a player. It's not very different from helping out a friend in real life that may need your help moving a couch, or ran out of gas many miles away from a city. Would you go help your friend? Or would you laugh in their face and say "Deal with it, you should have to put more effort into what you do." I think I would help out the friend.

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                            • #74
                              No cuz i have faced players on it with only lvl 5 clothing ect and they was not in apollo suits.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Jokerlox View Post
                                No cuz i have faced players on it with only lvl 5 clothing ect and they was not in apollo suits.
                                Well yeah, I'm not saying lvl 4 automatically means apollo. I'm saying I think lvl 4 is where you can start getting the cool special designs, and there is a VERY slight chance to get apollo. Surely by the time you max the clothing you have unlocked every design.

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