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  • R27743541
    started a topic R2Games Vs Kabam

    R2Games Vs Kabam

    in R2Games are just Casher players like 90% an if you are a non-casher you cant do anything.
    In Kabam are low casher players and they have more good stuffs and events and there is a game like Free to play , work to win (not pay to win)
    and beside of this, i seed in BattleGround and Arena that R2Games servers and Kabam servers are the bouth in the same BG.. i mean that , they are r2game players and kabam players in the same bg , And arena . so this is not fair... in kabam you can just play and work to get the same stuffs that the r2games players get with Cash $$$$$$$ . . .

    and we (r2games players) cant win vs kabam players...

    And that means the END of r2games?? and the beggining of Kabam??

  • MemoryLane
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    I didn't admit anything. It's a topic that can't be proven one way or another, so my statement was a hypothetical 'if' situation. I made a conscious decision when I first started that I would never intentionally lie about anything, so if I can't obtain proof for my own eyes, I won't make a statement. There is a way to prove individual players to be legitimate, and so I can usually state with factual accuracy when a player is a real player, and those who know I am a truthful person will take my word on that since I wouldn't be able to share any proof I obtained.

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  • R238423534
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    MemoryLane very much tells the truth in here.

    Kabam, Kong, Armor, etc. are like re-sellers for R2. They are all exactly the same gaming platform, with identical features and in-game events. (Wartune/ProCity is NOT the same game)
    What differs them is the seller's own extra offers. In this case, R2 has perks and special events, and Kong has extra Kreds.
    Those "extras" are all up to the seller to offer.
    Kabam evidently does not offer any such extras. They just seem to have more rich players.
    From personal experience, I do seem to meet more players from US/Canada, and more of them hold a high office or own a company in real life.
    Whether or not top Kabam players are indeed richer is insider info. We are just players. We would not know it.

    Originally posted by MemoryLane View Post
    ...dollar for dollar it's more profitable for players to play through R2 and recharge through an R2 server...
    Very much so. That's why Kabam could only retain the top guys. They have no mids at all. All free and small spenders suffer horribly. They either quit real early or just don't care about getting stronger aka playing just for social.
    R2 keeps way more average and above-average players. Seeing just a few top players from Kabam doesn't tell the reality in there.

    Originally posted by MemoryLane View Post
    ...It would make a lot more sense to have plants on R2 servers...
    ...given what I know about R2, I know that if there were plants ever in use, there no longer would be now. Quite simply, they just don't have the staffing to prolong such a practice.
    Dang...ML u just admitted something LOL

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  • MemoryLane
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    The money goes directly to the platform you pay through. So, if you are a Kabam player, when you recharge, you are paying Kabam. R2 gets a portion of that money (exact details on when and what percentage isn't information I'm privy to) because R2 does the support and because the publishing rights that govern the Kabam (as well as Kong and Armor) servers belong to R2. But, as R2 does not get 100% of the money, dollar for dollar it's more profitable for players to play through R2 and recharge through an R2 server (which is why perks and special platform events are only available to R2 players).

    As I previously said, because of how the money relationship works, it is not a logical conclusion to assume there are plants on 3rd party platform sites, specifically when the 3rd party platforms have nothing to do with the game itself, and so those platforms don't have any access to place a plant of their own. It would make a lot more sense to have plants on R2 servers, as there's more players on the R2 platform than the others, and R2 gets all of that money (minus costs for the publishing rights, of course).

    Now, given what I know about R2, I know that if there were plants ever in use, there no longer would be now. Quite simply, they just don't have the staffing to prolong such a practice.

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  • Takashi007x
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    You have to look at it from several view points and origin of this forum post
    • Kabam vs R2 as heavy cashing servers
    • Super grouping of Cashers
    • Possibility of Game Plants to drive up those Cashing servers


    For the server grouping there is such disparity between Kabam vs most servers in general.
    • They are most likely getting server merges, so they have more grouping advantages for cross server based events.
    • They are probably the top cashers in the game, with the known fact that there may be "plants" in the game, whats the difference in having a plant on R2 WT or Kabam servers? The money still goes and comes from R2 system.


    Basically this manufactured a guild/server like Vanguard or Kabam 47 cluster to win Cross Server Guild Battle, Chaos War, and possibly titan war.

    You're going to have to look at such game disparity and balance of play. There are servers that have only gotten 1 merge, and left to fend for their own, while many others gain 4-5 merges.
    This is where the game is failing and why many players at this point have given up on the game, and why there was a need for the survey to ask the community for feedback.

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  • R238423534
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    Someone might be jealous 'coz some sub-publisher is more capable of attracting rich players than their own server lol
    But the sub-publisher's revenue goes to R2, so...

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  • Alsatia01
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    Originally posted by Takashi007x View Post
    You cant fake this many whales on Kabam 47
    I don't exactly see what the problem is, or what the purposed solution could be.

    Vanguard looks to be a pretty large guild BR wise, but they can still only bring 40 players. I assume kabam-47 is part of a very large server-cluster, and there are other servers within this list that are from the same server 'cluster' (just listed under different servers names). Several guilds from my server are listed under different 'servers' even though we are technically, in the same server.

    You or someone who is from that group of servers would have to shed some light on how balanced/unbalanced that server is. Is it possible that several guilds merged together into Vanguard so they could be competitive as a server? Or perhaps that the BR they have is just 'fake', and comprised of several characters that are alts or people that no longer play, things like that?

    Are you purposing that the server be de-merged in some regard, perhaps?
    Last edited by Alsatia01; 06-01-2016, 12:52 AM.

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  • MemoryLane
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    I fail to see how a snippet about R2 from a post that can still be found on the forum, and which has not been proven to be in any way a factual statement, has anything to do with the number of players who choose to cash on Kabam. It would make very little sense for R2 to plant super cashers on another host's platform, considering how the money aspect of the relationship works. And since Kabam itself (or Gaea now) has nothing to do with Wartune directly, it's not a reasonable conclusion that there would be any plants on Kabam.

    There comes a time when we all have to accept that not everything is a conspiracy. There are plenty of real people in the world who have chosen to spend their money on the game they play, and it is their right to do so, regardless of our personal feelings on the subject.

    Just to also point out, the link you included has players from every Wartune publisher, so whatever issues plague the game aren't just because of R2.

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  • Takashi007x
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    "They have been creating characters on servers for years , ran by and owned by developers and moderators with unlimited resources to encourage spending from the honest players . it has been revealed that in more recent months they have been doing the same to encourage levelling faster to make honest players have to spend to even do the simplest tasks in game , then after the first 4 weeks of a new server they are retiring them chars and merging servers together to encourage competition for top server positions which we all knew and understood but the initial server it was R2Games that encourage such chasing and spending .
    There is players using 3rd party proxy programs to gain advantage by getting balens galore but some are not exploiting it to the point it is unmistakenly obvious and r2games know this and shrug it off due to the fact it encourages others to spend for real to chase after the hackers so r2games in theory are happy it happens to generate there income .
    over the past year we have seen the growth of more events for balens and less time to get materials so the free player is pushed out."


    As you can see where some of these "characters" are based on server br. The higher the rating the more likely they'll have people to drive competition.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/7904...8539871585436/

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  • Takashi007x
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    You cant fake this many whales on Kabam 47

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  • R238423534
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    I assume you know that most "fake whales" are in west coast timezone. That's their working hours. That applies to not just one publisher.

    Originally posted by Takashi007x View Post
    Here's another screenie to support your argument, and why they should
    a) Rebalance servers
    b) Just move all Kabam's into their own grouping
    [ATTACH=CONFIG]162394[/ATTACH]

    The highest br grouping has 150m br points over the lowest, you can say the bought the win in some sense.
    Even their closest competitors are off by 30-50m br points. Easily 3-6 whales.

    6 Kabam servers
    6 Wartune servers
    1 R2 server
    2 Kong
    1 Armorgames aka kong3

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  • Xharry005x
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    Originally posted by Takashi007x View Post
    Here's another screenie to support your argument, and why they should
    a) Rebalance servers
    b) Just move all Kabam's into their own grouping
    [ATTACH=CONFIG]162394[/ATTACH]

    The highest br grouping has 150m br points over the lowest, you can say the bought the win in some sense.
    Even their closest competitors are off by 30-50m br points. Easily 3-6 whales.

    6 Kabam servers
    6 Wartune servers
    1 R2 server
    2 Kong
    1 Armorgames aka kong3

    we can say that about r2 games on our european cross server cluster

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  • mettalmouth
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    once again armor games 1,4,7 are kongregate 2. I would know since I'm on armor 4.

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  • Takashi007x
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    Here's another screenie to support your argument, and why they should
    a) Rebalance servers
    b) Just move all Kabam's into their own grouping
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    The highest br grouping has 150m br points over the lowest, you can say the bought the win in some sense.
    Even their closest competitors are off by 30-50m br points. Easily 3-6 whales.

    6 Kabam servers
    6 Wartune servers
    1 R2 server
    2 Kong
    1 Armorgames aka kong3

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  • R238423534
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    Originally posted by Takashi007x View Post
    ...
    16 of 48 are from Wartune ...
    Wartune is ProCity. They aren't the same game as ours (they are way ahead). It's hard to compare.
    Kabam has its connection and backing in the consumers that make the biggest dollar amount in real life (could be just a currency conversion thing).

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