MATK/PATK effects Sylph DMG

[gladys.vega]

yes it does effect,.
so let me tell you how i find it out..

so i have this archer 170kBR with hercules (purple) (pure INT) (30kBR) and my Patk is 55k
and i got this friend mage 150kBR with Eve (5 star blue) (18kBR) and her matk is 48k

one time she told me she cant log in WB time and ask a favor to help her log her mage in and afk it in WB.. and so i did. i log in my archer and her mage in WB. i afk on her mage and play my archer. and before she auto awaken i will stop her afk mode. well i have this great damage compare to her but i notice something. on sylph mode her mage with the given stats above does more damage than my archer when on sylph mode. were just using/having both sylph skill and number of turns. i do around 280-320k gold/daru on sylph mode while her mage does 310-340k gold/daru on sylph mode per battle. it realy makes me crazy so assume maybe because of her MATK + to sylph MATK = higher dmg.

it is very hard to prove it so i ask a friend.. a knight with 200kBR. i told him to make his mdef and pdef equal so that we can run a test. i capture a lv1 eve and a lv1 amazon.

amazon delphic = 440% +515 patk dmg
Eve delphic = 470% + 515 matk dmg

ok, so i remove all my patk gem/astrals/equipments and make my matk and patk as close as posible.. matk 15k and patk 17k (i equip matk gem and astral to catch up with my patk)
result is: eve with 470%+515 matk dmg is around 90-110k and amazon with 440%+515 patk dmg 80-105k

ok and then i equip again my patk gems/astral and everything to have my 55k patk back

run a test again:

amazon dmg = 150k-210k dmg
eve dmg = 130k-160k dmg
dmg is all on crit and each test have 10-15 reps.
and so then i conclude that character stats matk/patk affect sylph dmg

you can run your own test if you doubt. i only post this here to ask a favor.. please help me figure out if it will add a huge amount of damage if i use lv 8 matk gems/astrals/refine on my archer.. it needs a lot of golds and time.. thats why i ask help, i know a lot of archers out there want to have more dmg. thanks

[kimwong]

you forgot the factor of determination level mate

[gladys.vega]

determination is on crit and it will affect both matk and patk

if asking about my determination level, well its lv 9 45% + 2% adv astral refine. so 47% crit dmg increase

[Darkling1976]

What about resistances?

[TheGuardingDark]

OK well there are several things that should be mentioned here:

Firstly account sharing is against the terms of service.

Secondly: According to what we know the Sylphs take your highest attack value and use that, combined with their own attack.

Thirdly as mentioned by kim: there are factors that will affect outcome of damage beyond just looking at a players stats. Determination and passive skills for example.

Fourthly: For a comprehensive test, 10 to 15 reps on each sylph is not going to give a very clear indication.

Fifth: Some sylphs affect damage and crit rate.

[ArnaudBo]

if that could help you; this blog made some deep research about damage / protection
http://wartune-balens.blogspot.hu/20...-revealed.html
http://wartune-balens.blogspot.fr/p/...une-basic.html
http://wartune-balens.blogspot.fr/p/...now-about.html

[Darkling1976]

What about resistances?

[Brutal_Hobo]

considering i make 300k-320k on a sylph round, 27k br hercules, with 36k patk
120k br archer

i think you are the problem here

[gladys.vega]

arggghh i forgot about resistance.. anyway his using iris and as i checked resistance : fire 100, water 230, wind 50, elec 16, light 14, dark -100.

first as i said if doubt you can do your own test..

and on my first test without patk things.. you can notice that eve (matk sylph) got more dmg than amazon (patk sylph) due to some factors that may effect the dmg.

but on the second test were i equipt the patk's, a massive change can be notice on dmg and the amazon which is patk makes a lot more dmg now than eve..

[gladys.vega]

considering i make 300k-320k on a sylph round, 27k br hercules, with 36k patk
120k br archer

i think you are the problem here

sorry i forgot to mention no double hit,. try to afk on sylph mode and lets see your 300 - 320k per round..

[kimwong]

arggghh i forgot about resistance.. anyway his using iris and as i checked resistance : fire 100, water 230, wind 50, elec 16, light 14, dark -100.

first as i said if doubt you can do your own test..

and on my first test without patk things.. you can notice that eve (matk sylph) got more dmg than amazon (patk sylph) due to some factors that may effect the dmg.

but on the second test were i equipt the patk's, a massive change can be notice on dmg and the amazon which is patk makes a lot more dmg now than eve..

only will RES affect your dmg output

[Brutal_Hobo]

sorry i forgot to mention no double hit,. try to afk on sylph mode and lets see your 300 - 320k per round..

lately i cant double hit, only in archer round
and if i can double hit im sylphing late because my sprite isnt loading fast enough
only thing im doing is hitting 400k+ delphics with 5x unstable voltage + brutality rune

[gladys.vega]

only will RES affect your dmg output

we all know that will RES affect the dmg outpt.. that msge is for someone asking what is the resistance of the knight im testing dmg with. please read the flow of conversation before posting.. thanks

[Darkling1976]

Ignoring will reduction and resistance your base damage should be (patk -pdef)/2, when you're in sylph mode your base damage should be: ([patk + sylph patk] - their pdef)/2 for amazon and ([patk + sylph matk] - their mdef)/2 for eve. Resistance reduction and resistances will mess with this a little. Rather than looking at the critical delphic hits, look at how much damage the sylph does for its auto attack (non crit), look at how much damage you do for your auto attack (non crit). Work out what their mdef and pdef is and then look to see how the range of damage you get compares to what you calculate. I think the damage floats by +/- 10%. There's also passive skills to account for as well that will reduce damage received.

Edited to add 10-15 replicates is probably ok, but it's not really enough to capture the full range of variability and could easily be affected by one or two extreme resutls.

[gladys.vega]

lately i cant double hit, only in archer round
and if i can double hit im sylphing late because my sprite isnt loading fast enough
only thing im doing is hitting 400k+ delphics with 5x unstable voltage + brutality rune

ok let me help you so you can have more than your 300-320k per round at 120kBR something.. instead of using brutality rune.. use amnesia or chaos cause it atacks the target with 100% dmg.. since your an archer.. if it crits it will give you an extra rage more than regular turn. and one more thing.. if you do dble dmg on eve/gaia you will lose the unstable voltage effect