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  • #16
    1st thing I would like to point out Nothing is FREE(Tokens) we make a payment each month for the wheel spins(Tokens can be from completion of Duels, Dungeons, Champagne, and Quests also all have to be worked for)

    2nd thing

    Yes, it is rigged if you look close at the wheel b4 u start it. The items that are NOT highlighted on the wheel(like a seed or a small pot) is where it will stop on the 1st round and 2nd round(please try it yourself you will see what im talking about).

    if you dont want to feel so cheated try this

    Open and close the wheel repeatedly until you get all HIGHLIGHTED items and you FEEL like you get a somewhat fairer spin(even tho you wont get an GEM or High level anything from this I spent over 130 tokens trying all in 1 day).

    Sorry, this VIP wheel is not able to give out GEMS or other items that are very much worth saving up coins for decent try's to get, this VIP Wheel is just like that Grabbing Claw Machine(but this much worse) with the Grabbing Claw you know that watch is never gonna fall even b4 you put your money in it. But with this we tell ourselves we might really have a chance if we use 8 try's on a few diff wheels(I tried it does not work).

    You tell me, that if so many players have tried this and NONE have won a high lvl gem then this wheel is Very Much a Cheat, a Scam and the makers of this wheel are a bunch of con-artists.
    In RLthis is called the Bait & Swich which is really illegal is most places. I don't know if it covers the internet gaming industry yet? I do know it should!

    I wont waist my Coins on the Cheat Me Wheel again(even tho I have no other place/way in the game to use them, I don't think that's fair at all)I will cross my fingers hopping something comes up soon about all the things this game could improve on since it does say the servers are still in Beta so maybe there is hope. Use your coins if you want to NO THANKS I will just save mine now I wasted to many as it is!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by CarnivorousX View Post
      The Wheel isn't rigged. You just need luck. And it all depends on what you * Want* I spun it 4 times today. Consecutively. Got a 10 pack of Crystals for 1st spin. Some cheap-o Kyanite plant for second spin. a 22.5K Dura Plant and a useless Power potion. Not every spin was useful but hell 22.5k Dura and 10 Crystals to help engraving are pretty nice. what I meant by free spins is that unlike in CS you do not need to go and buy ViP tokens. You can accumulate them rather fast in Arena and Dungeons. Plus the daily gift ones. So the coins are free. But just as in CS and most MMO's when something is based on luck it is called Rigged.
      no i mean it quite literally, its rigged. you CANT get best items out of first few tries (have yet to heard anyone get high lvl gems even with 8 tries actually). so umm yea, its rigged in a sense that what you see there, is NOT what you can get. Not sure how many times you opened it, but after just a few tries, you can basically predict what will you get. Thats why people say its rigged, not because you have 1% chance to win non **** stuff :P

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      • #18
        Originally posted by CarnivorousX View Post
        As I can understand your discouragement here is something to remember. VIP tokens are free. Let it be from dungeons or dailies or what not. As for the * Impossibles* I have recieved some very good things from the wheel. I guess it comes down to what you desire. The lvl 5 200 Insignia seed was helpful. Several lvl 2 gem boxes and ev en a few lvl 3's. I agree that it is * Rigged* but remember it doesn't cost you anything to spin it except tokens you get for free. And every item on there is winnable. ( Just like in CS despite popular belief). Sometimes it just takes lady luck to give you a helping hand.
        Errrr Vip token is free? But the wheel to spin does not free sir, it 7.99 a month ). Free mean u do not work or pay to get it, if u have to do quest, dungeon, pay vip monthly to have those, they are not free. Total disagree with your FREE thing.

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        • #19
          Look you are fooled by the wheel's look. it looks like everything has a equal chance of being land on.

          But this is just a graphical GUI.

          In reality it is based on a number generator. every item on the wheel has a % of being won. Your outcome is already predicted the moment you SPIN the wheel. The rest is just fluff and "graphical" looks.

          If anything, the really awesome stuff is "1%" while 99% is ****.

          You are tricked into beliving you have a chance to win because it looks like a wheel that you can spin. Unlike in real life, this is a wheel that spins based on RNG.

          It isn't Rigged, rather if they showed you a random number generator and the % of winning items on a list to the side. Would you really play the game if you saw your chance of getting a good gem was 0.2%? while you can win a stamina pot almost 50% of the time?

          I think not.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ciroth View Post
            Look you are fooled by the wheel's look. it looks like everything has a equal chance of being land on.

            But this is just a graphical GUI.

            In reality it is based on a number generator. every item on the wheel has a % of being won. Your outcome is already predicted the moment you SPIN the wheel. The rest is just fluff and "graphical" looks.

            If anything, the really awesome stuff is "1%" while 99% is ****.

            You are tricked into beliving you have a chance to win because it looks like a wheel that you can spin. Unlike in real life, this is a wheel that spins based on RNG.

            It isn't Rigged, rather if they showed you a random number generator and the % of winning items on a list to the side. Would you really play the game if you saw your chance of getting a good gem was 0.2%? while you can win a stamina pot almost 50% of the time?

            I think not.
            It is rigged. The person that stated the non-highlighted items are the one syou get first are right. Many times I said in my head before I used the coin which item it will land on first. I was always correct. I highly doubt that was coincendence. it is always from the worst items to the best. Meaning you need hundreds and hundreds of tokens to get any of the good epic items there.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ciroth View Post
              Look you are fooled by the wheel's look. it looks like everything has a equal chance of being land on.

              But this is just a graphical GUI.

              In reality it is based on a number generator. every item on the wheel has a % of being won. Your outcome is already predicted the moment you SPIN the wheel. The rest is just fluff and "graphical" looks.

              If anything, the really awesome stuff is "1%" while 99% is ****.

              You are tricked into beliving you have a chance to win because it looks like a wheel that you can spin. Unlike in real life, this is a wheel that spins based on RNG.

              It isn't Rigged, rather if they showed you a random number generator and the % of winning items on a list to the side. Would you really play the game if you saw your chance of getting a good gem was 0.2%? while you can win a stamina pot almost 50% of the time?

              I think not.
              Sadly your Logic is lost on those who dont get good items every time. =( But I agree completely. Earlier today it announced in world chat someone won a lvl 7 ( might have been 6) off the VIP wheel. It is simply based on Luck.

              It is rigged. The person that stated the non-highlighted items are the one syou get first are right. Many times I said in my head before I used the coin which item it will land on first. I was always correct. I highly doubt that was coincendence. it is always from the worst items to the best. Meaning you need hundreds and hundreds of tokens to get any of the good epic items there.
              Guessing what item you will get doesnt mean anything if you are guessing the lame items. Of course they have a higher chance. I have personally won some of the better items and I have seen it announced in chat by the sytem when others have as well.
              Crystal Saga
              CarnivorousX
              Celestial Palace
              Ranger Lvl 8x Scion
              Guild Edan

              WarTune
              Temple of Ibalize
              Archer Lvl 4x
              Faithful of Malicious

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              • #22
                Nope, they will not pick the item randomly. It will pick from the worst item and move to the better items. You are given only 8 chances to get the good items and there are a total of 18 items on the wheel. So, if you are trying to pick a lvl 6 gemstone, then you'll need 7 **** items + 11 gemstones on the wheel (your lvl 6 gemstone and the rest lvl 6 /7 gemstones). I was lucky to get 10 gemstones on the wheel (lvl 6 and 7 gemstones) but end up getting all the craps. The pointer moved slowly on BEGINNING on the row of gemstones (actually it should had stopped) but keep moving real slow for another 5 blocks until you got **** item. Thanks for making fun of us.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by CarnivorousX View Post
                  Sadly your Logic is lost on those who dont get good items every time.

                  It is simply based on Luck.
                  Absolute nonsense. You do understand how something can be random and STILL be rigged, don't you ?

                  Here, I'll lay it out for you ... lets say we have a random number generator that can pick any number between 1 and 96. It can stop on any of those numbers completely at random ... this is how R2Games and similar companies can say their games are "fair", in the same way a Las Vegas casino is "fair", but the banker wins 99 times out of 100.

                  So, pick any number between 1 and 96. All good huh ... nope, because the weights assigned to the 18 prizes on the VIP wheel are not even.

                  The 6 crappiest items will have a weight of 10, the next 6 mediocre items will have a weight of 5, and the good 6 items will have a weight of 1.

                  So depending on the number selected "randomly", it corresponds to one of those prizes.

                  1 - 10 = **** 1
                  11 - 20 = **** 2
                  21 - 30 = **** 3
                  31 - 40 = **** 4
                  41 - 50 = **** 5
                  51 - 60 = **** 6
                  61 - 65 = Mediocre 1
                  66 - 70 = Mediocre 2
                  71 - 75 = Mediocre 3
                  76 - 80 = Mediocre 4
                  81 - 85 = Mediocre 5
                  86 - 90 = Mediocre 6
                  91 = Good 1
                  92 = Good 2
                  93 = Good 3
                  94 = Good 4
                  95 = Good 5
                  96 = Good 6

                  So what it means in principle is you have a 60 in 96 (or 62.5%) chance of rolling ****, a 30 in 96 (or 31.25%) chance of rolling mediocre, and a 6 in 96 (6.25%) chance of rolling a good item.

                  And for all of you saying "it's just luck", I'd also like to remind you of the adage "anecdotal evidence is not proof". Meaning your isolated "luck" is just you getting in the 6 or 96 chance, which you remember because it was a positive event. And yet that occasional positive event somehow mentally blinds you to the other 60 times you got ****.

                  Given enough samples (screenshots, statistics and analysis done by players in these games, making wikis and tutorials with drop tables etc), it's clear to see that the VIP wheel is not truly random - it is random WITH WEIGHTS, which to all intents and purposes is the same as a marked deck of cards i.e. it is rigged.
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                  • #24
                    I managed to save up 300 gems and just by chance to prove to myself its not rigged and it was total failure all, I got was seeds,luck,potions no jems.... O well u can dream lol..

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                    • #25
                      @daveime

                      ^+1, just another petty theft(subject to my personal opinion)

                      amassing that I've managed to forget this manipulation over the years. Thanks for the reminder before I've even pulled my wallet out.

                      combined with the reward that scales with the higher you are up the ranking the greater the reward, which gives absolutely no play-reward chance for anyone to close the gap to the top without dishing out even more money they the current older server wallet warriors.

                      game blacklisted for me and all the eager money spending idiots i hang with. Thanks for the info/reminder!

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                      • #26
                        The wheel is an illusion or a metaphor

                        Every item have their own percent of probability
                        e.g. chances for orange gem is 3% or lower and white items 80% ^

                        my guess

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                        • #27
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                          No Luck at all they realy need rise bit those gems rate to get
                          Last edited by R2176518; 01-20-2013, 02:17 PM.

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                          • #28
                            if you were to buy those gems from the shop to make a lvl 7 gem is about 800$ whay the **** would the just give them aways that easy yes you probaly can get it at a 0.0001% chance stop your crying vip wheel is free you get so many perks as a vip i dont care that i never get the gems

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                            • #29
                              http://forum.r2games.com/showthread.php?44895-VIP-wheel

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by CarnivorousX View Post
                                The Wheel isn't rigged. You just need luck. And it all depends on what you * Want* I spun it 4 times today. Consecutively. Got a 10 pack of Crystals for 1st spin. Some cheap-o Kyanite plant for second spin. a 22.5K Dura Plant and a useless Power potion. Not every spin was useful but hell 22.5k Dura and 10 Crystals to help engraving are pretty nice. what I meant by free spins is that unlike in CS you do not need to go and buy ViP tokens. You can accumulate them rather fast in Arena and Dungeons. Plus the daily gift ones. So the coins are free. But just as in CS and most MMO's when something is based on luck it is called Rigged.
                                Not free
                                Sorry dude, your the only one here who thinks it isnt rigged or its free.
                                Plus if its rigged, luck doesnt have to do with it :P

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