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  • Arena Matching and League Points (theories and Updated)

    Yes! you read the title right, How Arena Matching works theoretically.

    Most Players are misinformed that the matching is the
    Sum of 3 Player's level then divide it by 3 and round it off etc.
    yes, you are misinformed that's why you assumed that it is broken.

    *Edit: 3v3 arena is no different than 4v4 arena, the matching is still the same.

    and some are informed with
    if nothing matches your team in your level range then it will matches your team randomly.
    yes, it is half true but the term random is unacceptable because it leads people to think the matching is broken

    and more of these. but these 2 are the Primary issues
    ​
    This Info thread will explain how this system works theoretically.

    *why theoretically? coz it can’t be proven but its logically detailed.

    *i'll also explain how the system searches for a match.

    Arena Matching is based on:
    • Time-related
    • Levels in your team
    • Availability of Players
    • Matching-time
    Time-related

    Arena Matching is also time-related. the time you doing arena itself, how is that affected the matching? For example, you start doing arena at certain time like 19:00 (GMT +8) and finish after 15-20mins which most people do, So these people whose are already done lessen or minimize the player pool.

    Ex: 1st -10th teams started at 19:00 *which probably match if they meet the conditions

    11th-15th started at 19:10 *while 1st-10th finished after 15mins, there’s still 5 team left after 19:15 which these 5 needs 10 more minutes to finish theirs, so 1 of the 5 teams will probably have a mismatch, So as the time runs out, more teams are finished, teams are matched the same frequently like “hey! You again?! Come on..”

    Levels in your Team

    Yes, it also considers the levels on your team.

    Ex: XX;60;XX;XX matched with higher XX;XX;60 or XX;60;60;XX or 60;60;60;60

    Availability of Players

    This one is Important, Availability of Player is the very essence of how the Arena matching works. For example, your team is in 40 range taking Arena but there’s no one in your range is available (or your 1 of the time-related mismatch). So the Matching system search incrementing the range to 50, if still there’s no one at 50, it increments again at 60, and so on, until it finds an available team.
    *This is how the Matching system searches for a team


    *it illustrates why there are level 80s matching 30s or rarely 40s (this is why it confuses the 30s why they’re matched with high levels); sometimes 40s matching to 50s or if not it matches 60. It increments the search to which is available. But you have to remember it searches 1st your range (or levels in your team).

    Matching-time

    It is very tricky to explain this how it affects your match but it is.

    in simple description, some Matching-time has 5 to 10 secs to find one and some took longer or some just 2secs, because every team is searching for a match. For example, level 80s team took longer to find match and none available but there’s 30s who has just 5secs on matching-time. This figure out the Mismatches we had.

    *Edit: Matching doesnt randomized in such specific time why? coz if its randomized then if your matching time is above 20secs then you matched with 5secs then the condition of being random is not applied to the other team with 5secs which the team is also matched with random.

    How League Points/Ranks works

    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    your league pt gains is based on the Winning group individually that is also applicable to losing side, they gain based on the winner's group.
    Iron and Unrank should be getting 190pts/win, Silver is 220pts/win, Gold is 235pts/win, if you lose, you gain based on what the winner's group. you may got 140, 90, 40, 30pts/lose. (I havent tried winning in diamond group or against it but i do get diamond rewards)
    and i think the ranks also updating in "real-time" so you may get different pts than you expect.

    Ex: you belong to League Group of Iron or Unrank then you win 190/win.

    Q: why im getting a different pts than 190 or 220 based on my group?
    A: its the remainder of the group pts, Iron has 1800pts requirement if you win 9x then there a 90 remainder but it's updated to 2520pts now if didnt noticed that.

    try this if you want. its just a pts calculator for the whole week. download it here
    Last edited by R27560757SpeeDHunter; 10-11-2014, 11:59 PM. Reason: Updated

  • R27560757SpeeDHunter
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    Originally posted by CrazyDude9 View Post
    not quite. our group composed of ppl in bracket 55-59, while they had 2ppl from 70-74, and 2 from 75-80, hence the greater chance of getting matched with 80s, as i stated above.
    so 55-59 doesnt below to 55-64 range?, is that what are you saying?
    so what's is the difference with this
    Originally posted by CrazyDude9 View Post
    ur team have a greater chance to fall under 65-74

    fist, +10 matching is evidently exist in the system.
    that's why 40s matched your team (58-59) which covers 50-59 bracket as i assumed, even at short period of time.


    half of your statement consist of +5s matching while the other half consist of +10s matching which is very confusing.


    i dont consider 55-64 or 65-74 to a +10 bracket coz they belong to
    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    Levels in your Team


    Yes, it also considers the levels on your team.


    Ex: XX;60;XX;XX matched with higher XX;XX;60 or XX;60;60;XX or 60;60;60;60

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  • CrazyDude9
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    remember this?
    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    Availability of Players

    This one is Important, Availability of Player is the very essence of how the Arena matching works. For example, your team is in 40 range taking Arena but there’s no one in your range is available (or your 1 of the time-related mismatch). So the Matching system search incrementing the range to 50, if still there’s no one at 50, it increments again at 60, and so on, until it finds an available team.

    *it illustrates why there are level 80s matching 30s or rarely 40s (this is why it confuses the 30s why they’re matched with high levels); sometimes 40s matching to 50s or if not it matches 60. It increments the search to which is available. But you have to remember it searches 1st your range (or levels in your team).

    Matching-time

    It is very tricky to explain this how it affects your match but it is.

    in simple description, some Matching-time has 5 to 10 secs to find one and some took longer or some just 2secs, because every team is searching for a match. For example, level 80s team took longer to find match and none available but there’s 30s who has just 5secs on matching-time. This figure out the Mismatches we had.

    *Edit: Matching doesnt randomized in such specific time why? coz if its randomized then if your matching time is above 20secs then you matched with 5secs then the condition of being random is not applied to the other team with 5secs which the team is also matched with random.
    Explains our favorable mismatches.
    .
    .
    .
    the difference between

    - Team: A76 (175k br) + A76 (159k br) + A74 (125 k br) + K 74( 125 k br) (this is average team during week)

    and

    K58 105k, K58 97k, M59 65k, A59 75k.

    is that ours is 55-59, so there's bigger chance to be matched with 50-59. He was asking why they always get matched with 80s. I replied with:
    Originally posted by CrazyDude9 View Post
    if u ask me, its because u've got lvl 76s there. your team falls under 70-80 bracket, so more chance of getting 80s. if all of u were 74, ur team have a greater chance to fall under 65-74.

    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    you two have similar condition if what you say here might be true
    not quite. our group composed of ppl in bracket 55-59, while they had 2ppl from 70-74, and 2 from 75-80, hence the greater chance of getting matched with 80s, as i stated above.


    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    then your team range (58-59) would be matching favorably to 60s,since there's a greater chance your team falls under 55-64?
    yup, it will be favorable to 60s, and unfavorable for us. we DID get a match with 60s...
    Originally posted by CrazyDude9 View Post
    (that 1 lost match we got matched up with 60s
    but why only 1? because...
    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    Matching-time
    and
    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    Availability of Players
    we just happened to be doing arena at the best time. a coincidence that caused by many players of our level or lower doing arena at that time.
    ALSO, the 60s that were supposed to be mismatched with us MAYBE also got matched with people with their own level. Hence explains our very good luck that day.
    .
    .
    .
    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    if you apply something then it should be application to all
    yes, correct. so i'll try to prove that i'm being consistent.
    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    the bracket i assumed for matching is +10 (40-49;50-59; etc)
    if there's no available match in range then it will increment to the next.

    its very similar to mismatched you had Crazydude9 since the 40s doesnt have match in their range then they matched yours (which 58-59).
    it doesnt make sense to your "fall under" which 40s doesnt fall to 55-64. what am i saying is your "fall under range" doesnt apply to all ranges.
    those 40s we fought could have been waiting for long (who knows). so what happens when it takes too long to find a team?
    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    *sometimes 40s matching to 50s or if not it matches 60. It increments the search to which is available. But you have to remember it searches 1st your range (or levels in your team).
    so the system tried to find in a bracket next to theirs. whats the bracket next to 40s? 50s, right?
    and our team is under the category "50s", right?
    so it makes sense that those 40s got (mis)matched with us.
    Last edited by CrazyDude9; 10-28-2014, 07:39 AM.

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  • R27560757SpeeDHunter
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    they're the same, see..
    Originally posted by jasminko View Post
    Can I ask you
    Originally posted by R273327041 View Post
    Can I ask you,

    if you look at your statement you posted
    Originally posted by CrazyDude9 View Post
    A few situations of my personal experience in arena...
    -There was a time we had 14/15 wins, 18:00 arena. All of in our team within level 55-59 range. Character info: K58 105k, K58 97k, M59 65k, A59 75k. (that 1 lost match we got matched up with 60s. there were also favorable mismatches: we met some lvl 40s too)

    and this
    - Team: A76 (175k br) + A76 (159k br) + A74 (125 k br) + K 74( 125 k br) (this is average team during week)

    you two have similar condition if what you say here might be true
    Originally posted by CrazyDude9 View Post
    if all of u were 74, ur team have a greater chance to fall under 65-74

    then your team range (58-59) would be matching favorably to 60s,since there's a greater chance your team falls under 55-64?


    sounds similar right? but they're not. its contraditing the way i see because of this.
    Originally posted by CrazyDude9 View Post
    there were also favorable mismatches: we met some lvl 40s too

    the bracket i assumed for matching is +10 (40-49;50-59; etc)
    if there's no available match in range then it will increment to the next.


    its very similar to mismatched you had Crazydude9 since the 40s doesnt have match in their range then they matched yours (which 58-59).
    it doesnt make sense to your "fall under" which 40s doesnt fall to 55-64. what am i saying is your "fall under range" doesnt apply to all ranges.

    if you apply something then it should be application to all

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  • CrazyDude9
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    Originally posted by R273327041 View Post
    Can I ask you, as expert for this, to explain to me and proof that matching isnt ****, as it is in our real areana every day:

    - Team: A76 (175k br) + A76 (159k br) + A74 (125 k br) + K 74( 125 k br) (this is average team during week)

    And this team mainly plays arena, at 1800 ST Europe, mainly, we are doing arena starting between 18:15-18:30 and during our runs we are matching mostly 80's level teams with 50k-100k br higher then us. And best of best is , that we are matching 80' in every group,Iron,Silver,Gold... so, only reason for existing of groups is points and rewards, not matching!!!!!!

    Under "mostly" im saying 13 of 15 arenas are 80's as opposite team. Is it possible that system always give lowers to match higher then they are?

    We are playing at 416 server,and mostly, our arena teams have similar stories.

    Please, who ever can explain this fully logical,I will recommend him personally for Nobel price
    if u ask me, its because u've got lvl 76s there. your team falls under 70-80 bracket, so more chance of getting 80s. if all of u were 74, ur team have a greater chance to fall under 65-74, meaning more chance of getting ppl of ur lvl. not saying this is 100% true; just a hypothesis based on my statement above.

    so if u had to find teammates, they should be 70-74.
    Last edited by CrazyDude9; 10-27-2014, 04:40 AM.

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  • R273327041
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    lol

    Can I ask you, as expert for this, to explain to me and proof that matching isnt ****, as it is in our real areana every day:

    - Team: A76 (175k br) + A76 (159k br) + A74 (125 k br) + K 74( 125 k br) (this is average team during week)

    And this team mainly plays arena, at 1800 ST Europe, mainly, we are doing arena starting between 18:15-18:30 and during our runs we are matching mostly 80's level teams with 50k-100k br higher then us. And best of best is , that we are matching 80' in every group,Iron,Silver,Gold... so, only reason for existing of groups is points and rewards, not matching!!!!!!

    Under "mostly" im saying 13 of 15 arenas are 80's as opposite team. Is it possible that system always give lowers to match higher then they are?

    We are playing at 416 server,and mostly, our arena teams have similar stories.

    Please, who ever can explain this fully logical,I will recommend him personally for Nobel price

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  • R24707687
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    the only thing that we can avoid to get so much miss matched with high lv is we need to do arena with same "level"
    for now i've try to do arena again since not doing arena for a few months...
    all my party was lv 71....
    from 15 attemps usually only got miss matched with hight lv like lv 80 only 1-2 attemps...
    and for BR its doesnt change anything...
    .
    just learn from LoA, league of angel
    where TA ( team arena) on there is about total lv from 3 players on the team...
    no matter even u're lv 70 if u go with 2 lv 30 total lv is just 130, and on LoA match is divided by 29 lv, 90-119, 120-149, 150-179
    .
    so from there i just think its almost same..
    the only problem when lv 30-40 got matched with lv 70-80 is just because its own game, like a bugged..

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  • CrazyDude9
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    Just another observation, addition to my previous reply in this thread...
    The best time to do arena is during the first 30mins of the hour: 12:00-12:30, 18:00-18:30, 19:00-19:30. (Idk about 13:00-13:30, since i never did arena in this timeframe).
    19:30-20:00 is ambiguous: many alts on this time, many weaker latecomers on this time, many level 80s on this time too.
    12:30-13:00 is kinda bad imo. 13:30-14:00 is kinda ok. But I rarely enter on these times, so I can't say much

    A few situations of my personal experience in arena...
    -There was a time we had 14/15 wins, 18:00 arena. All of in our team within level 55-59 range. Character info: K58 105k, K58 97k, M59 65k, A59 75k. (that 1 lost match we got matched up with 60s. there were also favorable mismatches: we met some lvl 40s too)
    -There was another time we had 12/15 wins, started 19:30. Levels within 55-64 range. Infos: K58 97k, A64 120k+, A58 75k, *i forgot the other guy, BR lower than the other 3* (got matched with 80s too. we also got matches from 60s, but our 64 guy took them out *yeah!*)
    -Another match we had 1/7 win, started 18:00. Lineup: K58 97k, K64 99k, K61 100k+, *forgot the other guy, but he's in 55-64 and low br* Most matches were with super strong 60s, some in 65-69. We stopped doing arena.

    I played with my alt.
    -Won about 7 or 8/15. Lineup: A30 7k (me, sucky br heheheh -.-), M26 14k, A28 10k, K34 15-20k. Rarely did we ever get matched with 40s. Losses are accounted to 39 campers. No matches with 50-80. Started around 18:30.
    -We had 2/15 wins. Lineup: A30 7k, A70 50k+, A68 45k+, *i forgot the other one*. Matches mostly with 70s. Wins are from guys below 50. This team actually lost to some 55-59 group that my main was able to beat. Time19:30
    -12/15 wins. Lineup: A30 10k, *the other 3 are 39 campers with 30k+ br* All matches are with 44 and below people. 3 losses are from a strong camper group in 40-44. Time19:00

    I have no permanent team, but there are people who I tend to team up more frequently than others. I tend to pick people from 55-59 bracket. If none, I extend it to 50-59. Most of the time, we are able to reach 60% win rate (9/15). The best so far is 14/15. Unluckiest situation: get matched up 3-4x in a row with 60s. There are times we get matched with 65-69 people too whose br is similar or lower than mine, but we lose because of HS -.-

    The most prominent observation I got is that the highest level within your group greatly affects who you get matched up with. However, it doesn't guarantee a match with the same level bracket. It just decides the probability. Also, this does not mean that the other people's levels are not important: it also affects matching, to a less extent compared to the former statement.
    Mismatches happen because of lacking number of teams, time elapsed matching, etc. (as explained by OP) That's why I usually cancel matching when timer reaches 40+ secs.

    IN MY OPINION, the best way for a countermeasure is to be strong for your level bracket, team up with people of your own level bracket, and do arena at the peak of the hour.

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  • Repeaters393
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    becuz every body wanna win and do mix level arena...
    i know they noob killing low -_-

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  • R27560757SpeeDHunter
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    Originally posted by jasminko View Post
    And this team mainly plays arena, at 1800 ST Europe, mainly, we are doing arena starting between 18:15-18:30 and during our runs we are matching mostly 80's level teams with 50k-100k br higher then us. And best of best is , that we are matching 80' in every group,Iron,Silver,Gold... so, only reason for existing of groups is points and rewards, not matching!!!!!!

    I did not say anything that League Groupings has anything to do with matching.. here's the proof
    http://forum.r2games.com/showthread....99#post1097199


    Originally posted by jasminko View Post
    Under "mostly" im saying 13 of 15 arenas are 80's as opposite team. Is it possible that system always give lowers to match higher then they are?

    the system always increment the search for matching, evidently as my experience in my arena and you might consider that there's a possibility that you're encountering this
    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    Levels in your Team


    Yes, it also considers the levels on your team.


    Ex: XX;60;XX;XX matched with higher XX;XX;60 or XX;60;60;XX or 60;60;60;60
    the possibility that there are level 70's with 80s in their team.


    Arena is a system where everything is done in "real-time" so the possibility depends on how many are ppl are there or how many ppl in your range are there in the same time as you doing arena itself.


    and I am no expert...

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  • jasminko
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    Originally posted by R27560757SpeeDHunter View Post
    Yes! you read the title right, How Arena Matching works theoretically.

    Most Players are misinformed that the matching is the yes, you are misinformed that's why you assumed that it is broken.

    *Edit: 3v3 arena is no different than 4v4 arena, the matching is still the same.

    and some are informed with
    yes, it is half true but the term random is unacceptable because it leads people to think the matching is broken

    and more of these. but these 2 are the Primary issues
    ​
    This Info thread will explain how this system works theoretically.

    *why theoretically? coz it can’t be proven but its logically detailed.

    *i'll also explain how the system searches for a match.

    Arena Matching is based on:
    • Time-related
    • Levels in your team
    • Availability of Players
    • Matching-time
    Time-related

    Arena Matching is also time-related. the time you doing arena itself, how is that affected the matching? For example, you start doing arena at certain time like 19:00 (GMT +8) and finish after 15-20mins which most people do, So these people whose are already done lessen or minimize the player pool.

    Ex: 1st -10th teams started at 19:00 *which probably match if they meet the conditions

    11th-15th started at 19:10 *while 1st-10th finished after 15mins, there’s still 5 team left after 19:15 which these 5 needs 10 more minutes to finish theirs, so 1 of the 5 teams will probably have a mismatch, So as the time runs out, more teams are finished, teams are matched the same frequently like “hey! You again?! Come on..”

    Levels in your Team

    Yes, it also considers the levels on your team.

    Ex: XX;60;XX;XX matched with higher XX;XX;60 or XX;60;60;XX or 60;60;60;60

    Availability of Players

    This one is Important, Availability of Player is the very essence of how the Arena matching works. For example, your team is in 40 range taking Arena but there’s no one in your range is available (or your 1 of the time-related mismatch). So the Matching system search incrementing the range to 50, if still there’s no one at 50, it increments again at 60, and so on, until it finds an available team.
    *This is how the Matching system searches for a team


    *it illustrates why there are level 80s matching 30s or rarely 40s (this is why it confuses the 30s why they’re matched with high levels); sometimes 40s matching to 50s or if not it matches 60. It increments the search to which is available. But you have to remember it searches 1st your range (or levels in your team).

    Matching-time

    It is very tricky to explain this how it affects your match but it is.

    in simple description, some Matching-time has 5 to 10 secs to find one and some took longer or some just 2secs, because every team is searching for a match. For example, level 80s team took longer to find match and none available but there’s 30s who has just 5secs on matching-time. This figure out the Mismatches we had.

    *Edit: Matching doesnt randomized in such specific time why? coz if its randomized then if your matching time is above 20secs then you matched with 5secs then the condition of being random is not applied to the other team with 5secs which the team is also matched with random.

    How League Points/Ranks works



    Iron and Unrank should be getting 190pts/win, Silver is 220pts/win, Gold is 235pts/win, if you lose, you gain based on what the winner's group. you may got 140, 90, 40, 30pts/lose. (I havent tried winning in diamond group or against it but i do get diamond rewards)
    and i think the ranks also updating in "real-time" so you may get different pts than you expect.

    Ex: you belong to League Group of Iron or Unrank then you win 190/win.

    Q: why im getting a different pts than 190 or 220 based on my group?
    A: its the remainder of the group pts, Iron has 1800pts requirement if you win 9x then there a 90 remainder but it's updated to 2520pts now if didnt noticed that.

    try this if you want. its just a pts calculator for the whole week. download it here
    Can I ask you, as expert for this, to explain to me and proof that matching isnt ****, as it is in our real areana every day:

    - Team: A76 (175k br) + A76 (159k br) + A74 (125 k br) + K 74( 125 k br) (this is average team during week)

    And this team mainly plays arena, at 1800 ST Europe, mainly, we are doing arena starting between 18:15-18:30 and during our runs we are matching mostly 80's level teams with 50k-100k br higher then us. And best of best is , that we are matching 80' in every group,Iron,Silver,Gold... so, only reason for existing of groups is points and rewards, not matching!!!!!!

    Under "mostly" im saying 13 of 15 arenas are 80's as opposite team. Is it possible that system always give lowers to match higher then they are?

    We are playing at 416 server,and mostly, our arena teams have similar stories.

    Please, who ever can explain this fully logical,I will recommend him personally for Nobel price

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  • R27560757SpeeDHunter
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    Originally posted by R294395081 View Post
    look you should be able to just log on and fight a team your own strength or cloe too it bit 150k r-250k br higher then your toon X4 guys its a joke
    this thread tells you how it works, it doesnt have the power to change the system and your asking the wrong person to change it for your own benefit. i cant convince anyone or you if you cant accept ideas and reasons. if you disagree to this then so be it, nothing will change anyway.

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  • R294395081
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    look you should be able to just log on and fight a team your own strength or cloe too it bit 150k r-250k br higher then your toon X4 guys its a joke

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  • R294395081
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    Just Admit it for goodness sake the matching system is broken ha always been the case you cant tell me or any one else that on both arena sessions there are not enough players in areana to push it to random match ups....thats exactly what its doing...all the weaker teams on my server are up against teams 5x their BR because your company can't find the technical solution to fix it in script....stop coming up with excuses we are all getting tired of it

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  • ged3191
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    ty for the additional idea .

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