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  • block or defense,pro knights help

    as u see im a lvl 69 knight, EWD build, got a block value of 5.5k , i wanna ask would it matter if i took it down to 4k, will the block rate will go drastically down?
    coz i can hve 4k defense[2kpdef+2k mdef] while having 3.5k block .in other words 2k block = 2k pdef+2kmdef, is it worth it,
    tht little defense really matters for my toon lvl in pvp.
    so what u say.
    S371/Zetsuen.
    Honor: GDK
    KNIGHT ☣

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    your block rate also determined by opponent's BR, so I can't say 5.5K will be much more effective than 3.5K

    for me I will surely pick block build, 11.7K block is working nice
    SERVER: Kong Server 4 Oceanic (others see us as Kong-S6)
    IGN: Kimwong
    CLASS: Knight
    PLAYER TYPE: Light casher
    BATTLE RATING: 300K - 420K range
    Casual playing now, not gonna spend too much time

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    • #3
      Originally posted by kimwong View Post
      your block rate also determined by opponent's BR, so I can't say 5.5K will be much more effective than 3.5K

      for me I will surely pick block build, 11.7K block is working nice
      I like how u build ur toon, can u put updates of how it is? like when u beat lvl 2-10 skytrail. thnx!!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Anubi0s View Post
        I like how u build ur toon, can u put updates of how it is? like when u beat lvl 2-10 skytrail. thnx!!
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        SERVER: Kong Server 4 Oceanic (others see us as Kong-S6)
        IGN: Kimwong
        CLASS: Knight
        PLAYER TYPE: Light casher
        BATTLE RATING: 300K - 420K range
        Casual playing now, not gonna spend too much time

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kimwong View Post
          your block rate also determined by opponent's BR, so I can't say 5.5K will be much more effective than 3.5K

          for me I will surely pick block build, 11.7K block is working nice
          here i give u the scenario, i wanna build a pvp knight. in my battleground, i never see anyone got more block than me, coz its not possible untill u put 8 lvl 7 block gems like me, on my server there is not a single knight with more than 5k block, so only im the one using block at the moment. its 6k+ now, im at the max block limit of my char, with lvl 60 set, and lvl 50 jewels, u have 11.7k block coz simply u got lvl 80 set n jewels + higher astrals than me, my server isnt that old to get lvl 10 red astral.
          edit: and yeah about the battle rating of opponent, i only care about bg, and i hardly meet anyone in bg who beats me, and the one who can beat me , are my frnds already :P
          S371/Zetsuen.
          Honor: GDK
          KNIGHT ☣

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kimwong View Post
            your block rate also determined by opponent's BR, so I can't say 5.5K will be much more effective than 3.5K

            for me I will surely pick block build, 11.7K block is working nice
            This is a very interesting topic for me... After u spanked me in last cw, I swap my build into crits-block, and I am very happy with that build. But then came 3.1 patch, where they nerfed block-heal and release penetration. Now i swapped back to def build, using no block at all (gems). But i still can,t figure out: better full block (i think i can get 10k ish) or def. Since I cant tell the difference yet ... i tried 40-50 battle each using each def/block build. The results not much different... Any logic for this case kim? Ty before

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            • #7
              Originally posted by redav View Post
              as u see im a lvl 69 knight, EWD build, got a block value of 5.5k , i wanna ask would it matter if i took it down to 4k, will the block rate will go drastically down?
              coz i can hve 4k defense[2kpdef+2k mdef] while having 3.5k block .in other words 2k block = 2k pdef+2kmdef, is it worth it,
              tht little defense really matters for my toon lvl in pvp.
              so what u say.
              A level 69 with EWD Build? What are you still doing with EWD?

              You should immediately change all your ewd and stuff to critical. A defense really doesn't matter for a knight because you already have high defense. Just focus everything on crit.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by R28859033 View Post
                This is a very interesting topic for me... After u spanked me in last cw, I swap my build into crits-block, and I am very happy with that build. But then came 3.1 patch, where they nerfed block-heal and release penetration. Now i swapped back to def build, using no block at all (gems). But i still can,t figure out: better full block (i think i can get 10k ish) or def. Since I cant tell the difference yet ... i tried 40-50 battle each using each def/block build. The results not much different... Any logic for this case kim? Ty before
                as I said before, block rate also determined by opponent's BR, that may explain your case

                same for my 11.7K block, when I face some opponents with higher BR than me, there is an obviously change for my block rate

                till now they not yet given out the block formula so no one will know how it actually works
                SERVER: Kong Server 4 Oceanic (others see us as Kong-S6)
                IGN: Kimwong
                CLASS: Knight
                PLAYER TYPE: Light casher
                BATTLE RATING: 300K - 420K range
                Casual playing now, not gonna spend too much time

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AntiApartheid View Post
                  A level 69 with EWD Build? What are you still doing with EWD?

                  You should immediately change all your ewd and stuff to critical. A defense really doesn't matter for a knight because you already have high defense. Just focus everything on crit.
                  I'm new to the forum , but I already sense the "Cupcakelevel" in this is strong. Gets even higher when I press the link on his signature..
                  Last edited by EsmeWeatherwax; 09-22-2014, 09:03 AM.
                  Server : Avazu - S1
                  Characters : I'm a newbie Knight
                  Status : Just started to slow-leveling

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kimwong View Post
                    as I said before, block rate also determined by opponent's BR, that may explain your case

                    same for my 11.7K block, when I face some opponents with higher BR than me, there is an obviously change for my block rate

                    till now they not yet given out the block formula so no one will know how it actually works
                    yea, i mean whats your logic of thinking when deciding go for block over def? U must be doin some research before u made that decision. While me, as i said cant tell difference after doing some test, in pvp, when using block or swap to def.

                    Interestingly, now in oceanic.... i saw some ppl boost their block (over 10K) while other cutting down untill below 5k (rep with def/hp). So no clue which are better
                    Last edited by R28859033; 09-02-2014, 04:42 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by R28859033 View Post
                      yea, i mean whats your logic of thinking when deciding go for block over def? U must be doin some research before u made that decision. While me, as i said cant tell difference after doing some test, in pvp, when using block or swap to def.

                      Interestingly, now in oceanic.... i saw some ppl boost their block (over 10K) while other cutting down untill below 5k (rep with def/hp). So no clue which are better
                      haha I am not wartune professor so I won't do research on this XD

                      PvP I would say 5K surely not enough, for PvE maybe enough

                      defense or block, just to see you wanna gamble the block rate or not. Defense is a more safe way but if block rate is high enough, even low defense (like me) still have no problem
                      SERVER: Kong Server 4 Oceanic (others see us as Kong-S6)
                      IGN: Kimwong
                      CLASS: Knight
                      PLAYER TYPE: Light casher
                      BATTLE RATING: 300K - 420K range
                      Casual playing now, not gonna spend too much time

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by redav View Post
                        edit: and yeah about the battle rating of opponent, i only care about bg, and i hardly meet anyone in bg who beats me, and the one who can beat me , are my frnds already :P
                        2 weeks ago you was complaining how **** your knight was and that you was gonna quit cos knights sucked so bad and that mages / archers 10k less BR than you was slaughtering you..


                        As for you question at your lvl you will see virtually no difference from 5.5k and 4k rate might be little less but extra defense covers.
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                        • #13
                          hehehehehe....true.... one more, its a noob question tho.

                          For crits... crits stats will increase trigger rate and deter will improve the damage. Is that true for block, the higher the stats, will results in higher trigger rate AND block value? If its also increase block value, even the value diminish at higher stats, i think it will be better than def at certain stats.

                          Thnaks bro...ure my idol...

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                          • #14
                            after this gem event went full crit/block with 10k+ of both, it's quite nice.
                            there's plenty of ways to build your defense over time, but only so few ways of upping your block.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wraithraiser View Post
                              after this gem event went full crit/block with 10k+ of both, it's quite nice.
                              there's plenty of ways to build your defense over time, but only so few ways of upping your block.
                              hmm true....I think I will...thanks guys... But again Wraith, refering to my last question, does higher block stats give us more block value?

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