deflect/regen astrals doubt

[JackMalloy]

Hi,

Enhanced deflection: 10% chance to reflect x% of received dmg
Enhanced regeneration: 10% chance to regain HP equivalent to x% dmg dealt

My doubt is: can we use both astrals at the same time? If thats the case, 1/100 times both astrals would trigger at the same time, reflecting dmg AND regenerating HP. Is it correct?

Thanks in advanced

[TheGuardingDark]

They both can be equipped at the same time.

[Wraithraiser]

They can activate at the same time. Same with illusion and deflection, illusion and regen or any combo of them.

You can also attack opponent have their deflect proc and your regen proc at the same time (happened to me once, deflect kills me, regen procs and boom 1HP survival!)

[JackMalloy]

thanks for the quick answer

lol to the combo of them and surviving after death...

[Setsuna88]

are you saying reflected damage (50k for example) can trigger the regeneration astral (5k heal in this case)? if so i didnt think thats possible or have you seen this happening? If you attack someone and he reflects damage + your regeneration astral triggers, like what Wraith said, then thats a different thing and definitely possible. Both astrals get triggered by your main attack. but i doubt the reflected damage can trigger anything, or does it?

[Wraithraiser]

Deflected damage won't trigger regen, since it isn't your own attack but enemy attack and your astral that causes it. Otherwise using both is perfectly fine.

[Setsuna88]

Deflected damage won't trigger regen, since it isn't your own attack but enemy attack and your astral that causes it. Otherwise using both is perfectly fine.

ok thats what i thought ^^.

[Draconan69]

Hi,

Enhanced deflection: 10% chance to reflect x% of received dmg
Enhanced regeneration: 10% chance to regain HP equivalent to x% dmg dealt

My doubt is: can we use both astrals at the same time? If thats the case, 1/100 times both astrals would trigger at the same time, reflecting dmg AND regenerating HP. Is it correct?

Thanks in advanced

deflect triggers when you TAKE damage
regeneration triggers when you DEAL damage

Your deflect and regeneration should not be triggering at the same time.

I however have doubts about how the trigger, I use them both and find the rates seem kinda off.

My regeneration triggers about 10% over all as does my deflect however when you look at specific attack types the numbers seems skewed.
I do not deflect 10% of Eve/Herc delphics I know this because I watch hoping almost every battle in BG, but a lot of smaller hits seem to deflect quite often.

Regeneration seems odd as well, trigger rate on my aoe spells seems really low triggering much less than 10% and only healing based on a single hit of a single target but only has a single change of triggering. My hades endless engulf or devils gaze trigger so seldom I did not get one until I had used the astral regularly for days, however with devour soul the trigger rate seems quite high (makes for some nice healing in PvE). So overall seems to really favor single hit attacks both for trigger rates and for heal since it only heals based on the first hit anyway.

Weirdness aside they are great astrals to use and deflect coupled with illusion can make for some lucky upsets in BG (I really love it when a stronger player stuns me and hits me with Herc Delphic to see me take 1 damage and them drop dead)

[DarkMeph]

deflect triggers when you TAKE damage
regeneration triggers when you DEAL damage

Your deflect and regeneration should not be triggering at the same time.

I however have doubts about how the trigger, I use them both and find the rates seem kinda off.

My regeneration triggers about 10% over all as does my deflect however when you look at specific attack types the numbers seems skewed.
I do not deflect 10% of Eve/Herc delphics I know this because I watch hoping almost every battle in BG, but a lot of smaller hits seem to deflect quite often.

Regeneration seems odd as well, trigger rate on my aoe spells seems really low triggering much less than 10% and only healing based on a single hit of a single target but only has a single change of triggering. My hades endless engulf or devils gaze trigger so seldom I did not get one until I had used the astral regularly for days, however with devour soul the trigger rate seems quite high (makes for some nice healing in PvE). So overall seems to really favor single hit attacks both for trigger rates and for heal since it only heals based on the first hit anyway.

Weirdness aside they are great astrals to use and deflect coupled with illusion can make for some lucky upsets in BG (I really love it when a stronger player stuns me and hits me with Herc Delphic to see me take 1 damage and them drop dead)

That explains something I noticed sometimes when I use Intercept it does 1 damage. I was thinking I misread what I had seen it can get confusing with lots of damage numbers floating around.

DarkMeph

[IronBorn]

The most important thing to remember is how these astrals calculate damage.

Regen only uses base damage, so bonuses from Will Destroyer etc are not included. I would hit people for 50k and only heal 15k when my regen was at 50%. After switching to crit, it heals the correct amount every time.

Deflection calculates damage taken before reduction (from Goddess blessing etc). I have had people do 20k damage and it returned 22k, because my damage reduction was high and it returned 70% damage.