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  • JackMalloy
    started a topic block gems for archers

    block gems for archers

    Hi guys,

    Recently I saw that some of the top archers are using block gems and/or block stats in their 80 sets. Currently I am using HP, CRIT, PDEF and PATK gems. But I was thinking on changing PDEF for BLOCK. What do you think? If I get a high % of dodge, it would compensate for the loss in PDEF, and that dodge would be for both physical and magical attacks

    Do you think it could be a good idea? or just keep my PDEF and forget about block for archers?

    thanks for any opinions

  • ligerwill7
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    Originally posted by Brutal_Hobo View Post
    i'll pass that on to my g.m ewd knight
    lol brutal hobo cheeky as ever lol

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  • ligerwill7
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    Originally posted by Asgaard View Post
    I have no block gem in my set, I use PATK, MDEF and PDEF on all my equipment which leaves me only one gem per equipment to choose from and I went about 50/50 between crit and hp. I like it that way. I also use MDEF/PDEF astras.

    I'm not a typical archer, although my PATK is over 80k, my pdef and mdef are pretty much the same and both around 69k. I prefer a balanced archer.

    I found the block gems to be useless. I do have a block astra however.

    My BR is about 355k right now.
    your build is a pvp one, block is not useless in fact it is better for pve, as bosses attack stat skyrocket, the amount of def you can add to your char to survive/or counter the damage you recieve, it isnt as effectives as the percentage decrease from block, also in pve most of the time only half of your def is active where as block can defend regardless of attack nature whether magical or physical

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  • ancev
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    Originally posted by Mentor_Alex View Post
    Since there are no official formulas about block,pdef etc,if you want a very accurate answer about this,you will need to test it yourself
    Hope I was of some help,take care.
    Actually the atack/def formula is pretty much known, as in HP trumps def. So if a player thinks of switching to block gems, best option would be to switch from crit or def, never HP gems.

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  • Brutal_Hobo
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    Originally posted by OhBummer View Post
    Block greater than 5k is very little noticeable difference in the amount of blocking. As an archer, you should look at what stats you are weaker in compared to other classes. For example, archers get 20% more crit but lose about 20% more pdef than knights and about 20% more mdef than mages. Therefore, what I would suggest is 8 Patk, 8 HP, 6 Pdef, 6 Mdef, 4 Crit. While for mages i would suggest 8 Matk, 8 HP, 8 Pdef, 8 Crit, And finally for knights, I 'd suggest 8 Patk, 8 HP, 8 Mdef, 8 Crit. These are the most balanced gems for each class both pve, and pvp.

    i'll pass that on to my g.m ewd knight

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  • OhBummer
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    Block greater than 5k is very little noticeable difference in the amount of blocking. As an archer, you should look at what stats you are weaker in compared to other classes. For example, archers get 20% more crit but lose about 20% more pdef than knights and about 20% more mdef than mages. Therefore, what I would suggest is 8 Patk, 8 HP, 6 Pdef, 6 Mdef, 4 Crit. While for mages i would suggest 8 Matk, 8 HP, 8 Pdef, 8 Crit, And finally for knights, I 'd suggest 8 Patk, 8 HP, 8 Mdef, 8 Crit. These are the most balanced gems for each class both pve, and pvp.
    Last edited by OhBummer; 11-17-2014, 09:28 PM. Reason: fasfasd

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  • Asgaard
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    I have no block gem in my set, I use PATK, MDEF and PDEF on all my equipment which leaves me only one gem per equipment to choose from and I went about 50/50 between crit and hp. I like it that way. I also use MDEF/PDEF astras.

    I'm not a typical archer, although my PATK is over 80k, my pdef and mdef are pretty much the same and both around 69k. I prefer a balanced archer.

    I found the block gems to be useless. I do have a block astra however.

    My BR is about 355k right now.

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  • Xander.
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    Originally posted by JackMalloy View Post
    Hi guys,

    Recently I saw that some of the top archers are using block gems and/or block stats in their 80 sets. Currently I am using HP, CRIT, PDEF and PATK gems. But I was thinking on changing PDEF for BLOCK. What do you think? If I get a high % of dodge, it would compensate for the loss in PDEF, and that dodge would be for both physical and magical attacks

    Do you think it could be a good idea? or just keep my PDEF and forget about block for archers?

    thanks for any opinions
    Hello.
    From what I have noticed on some archers,is that they sometimes replace some crit gems with block.This is obviously for the archers that have enough crit,so they can afford to drop some.
    If you are thinking to replace one of the other gems,let's say pdef,you will need to think about how much extra damage you will receive from that,and test if the trigger rate of the block is worth it.
    Since there are no official formulas about block,pdef etc,if you want a very accurate answer about this,you will need to test it yourself
    Hope I was of some help,take care.

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  • ancev
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    Originally posted by Brutal_Hobo View Post
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    a little low in level, but these are probably the astrals i recommend for archers
    my br dropped, but i have gotten a lot stronger in both pve and pvp situations
    Pretty much the same setup as I have, except I still keep m def astral for now. soon I will trade for GA astral.
    Edit: as for block gems, I don't recommend unless you can get above 10k block. Block doesn't proc well in PVP. It's very nice though for PVE. So if you don't have decent def, or HP don't swap for block.

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  • JeffExtreme
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    Interesting thread. Good tips. I get all my block from the astral (my astrals suck so let's not go there). But I block quite often. I used to never block, so it's a big difference for me. Doesn't help against sylph delphics and knight delphics (dead anyway), but it helps with most attacks. I will try some block gems sometime. Just not sure what to give up.

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  • Makenshisensei
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    As archer there is 16 gems you can't change (8HP and 8 PATK (cause we have passive who give 20%more hp and 15%more patk))
    Also our patk must be the highest as possible if we want to have a chance against mage/knight and decent award in pve content

    The 16 left is up to you
    4mdef, 4pdef, 4crit, 4 block is the base mixte for pve/pvp
    Then you can swap some on your need, before pdef/mdef was usefull cause of the low patk/matk from other player (when the top player was around 30-40k patk or matk
    With sylph, mdef was kinda useless, taking a 400k or a 360K don't change a lot, you are still dead
    Now with high resist mdef is not useless, but not worthy at all either
    As we don't have increase mdef like mage or increase pdef as knight, but take some pdef from strenght we can have one less gems in pdef than mdef to keep the balance
    Same higher your gems are, worst the crit is

    So depend on your gems lvl you can drop one pdef and 2-3 crit gems for block (block is kinda really nice cause, before damage was around 5K-15k, take 25% less wasn't the best deal, you can lower the damage for barely the same amount on each hit with pdef/mdef) but now as damage are far away better (50K-500k human/sylph) few block make huge diffence, in pve and in pvp

    So for me (it's personnal, i think evrybody make what he need) but for me the good deal (specialy with the new advanced soul seal) is :
    8 Patk
    8 HP
    6 Block
    4 Crit
    3 Mdef
    3 Pdef

    For hobo the astral depend on your opponent only
    Regen is good only if you are stronger than your opponent (or in pve it's really good, but not in pvp)
    Deflect is good only if you are weaker than your opponent
    The dodge is only about luck, but help only if your opponent is stronger

    Why? Cause try your regen against alci, you'll get healed by 3k cause you won't hit her hard enough, but she'll deflect 50k if deflect proc
    Same dodge an arrow strike from a low br at 4k is useless, but a delphic sniper from alci at 300k or some delphic from sylph is really a good things ^^

    The other trouble of these astrals is the low tiggering rate (10%)
    So it's not happening in each fight, for me it's situational, only 2 orange astral can't never be missed (Damage reduc on an upgradable slot !!!!!!!!!!!!, and damage crit increase, also in upgradable slot)

    Then 2 other can be choose with your BR (if you are a bit weaker than the average of all archer deflect is good, if you are an average archer or a bit higher, regeneratoin is good) for pvp
    For pve only regeneration is good at any br
    The dodge one is a gamble you can take at high lvl it can be 20% (on the paper, but after some math it seems it's only around 5-7% so not that great as it's say) but if it was working as it's supposed to work could be probaly one of the best astral any class ^^

    In the other hand mdef and pdef astral give only 2K on each, lower the damage by 1k-2k, but on each hit at 100% chance (it's also give a bit more br we need for this hof ^^)

    Same for hp, it was nice at the time we had 50k hp, now 5k more .... ^^
    So up to you as often in this game
    Last edited by Makenshisensei; 11-17-2014, 02:57 AM.

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  • TjiTzUr
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    Originally posted by Brutal_Hobo View Post
    [ATTACH=CONFIG]114148[/ATTACH]

    a little low in level, but these are probably the astrals i recommend for archers
    my br dropped, but i have gotten a lot stronger in both pve and pvp situations
    why is ur regen on a slot u can upgrade and ur god is in the slot u can't upgrade?

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  • Brutal_Hobo
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    Originally posted by bcdaedalus View Post
    people still use these astras? got rid of them a long while ago for some orange ones as they really are not worth what they give

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    a little low in level, but these are probably the astrals i recommend for archers
    my br dropped, but i have gotten a lot stronger in both pve and pvp situations

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  • bcdaedalus
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    Originally posted by EdGrr View Post
    go block gems only when your astrals for both mdef & pdef are lvl 8+ at least.
    people still use these astras? got rid of them a long while ago for some orange ones as they really are not worth what they give

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  • bcdaedalus
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    my current build is 8 patack 5 pdefence 5 magic defence 6 crit ( will get rid of one after hof event due to having way to much crit still 16.5k ) and 8 block gems giving me 13k block this builds still being played with and will change next unlimited gem event i proberly block at least 70% of atacks in bg's its super usefull and on rare ocasions like yesturday ill block every hit in an entire fight.

    edit: im 247k currently and on odd ocasions when someone forgets to change formation i can tank spire all the way to 21 without much issue
    Last edited by bcdaedalus; 11-17-2014, 02:04 AM.

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