Knights get only 3 advance runes

[princestewii]

when did this thread went to archer vs knight???i thought knights were whinning again cause they got the short stick...if a knight of same br (when i say br count astrals/pets etc dont misuse my words) loses to an archer then something is wrong with his build or his/her brain...

I beat knights 20k br higher than me, the thing they forget to do is build their defenses. They keep getting way to much hp and when I hit them I do major damage

[Kingryan]

when did this thread went to archer vs knight???i thought knights were whinning again cause they got the short stick...if a knight of same br (when i say br count astrals/pets etc dont misuse my words) loses to an archer then something is wrong with his build or his/her brain...

When? Then read the thread.. it was when Slowplay said something about Brutal's archer being beaten by his guild master's knight.

Ugh, i feel tired dragging this further.

[DanteMugetsu]

Yeah, but this is about knight vs archer.. And archer cannot use scatter when in sylph form.

when did this thread went to archer vs knight???i thought knights were whinning again cause they got the short stick...if a knight of same br (when i say br count astrals/pets etc dont misuse my words) loses to an archer then something is wrong with his build or his/her brain...

[TjiTzUr]

I assume you have 400k hp since you won against someone who delph you for 330k.
If you used apollo then agoran, the damage would be reduced from 330k to 150k and you would just heal it back with a heal rune.

Then since he delph, it means he will go back to human form when the 50%timer comes, while you will become a sylph, and you will have a high chance of defeating him... Human forms have weaker defense than sylph form.

I think Brutal has a point...

it dosen matter with what u are saying for the shiled can get removed from 1-2 hits and then its east to win for normal u time it so u have ur delphic at 50% and the only way to win for a warrior is to be luckey with astals or just have 50k+ br over the other guy... and when ur at 400k+ br it dosen realy matter if ur astals dosen tricker then u will always lose as a warrior if the ppl is same br

[Kingryan]

i am in the same guild with slowplay since january of 2013 (i beat him without astrals on, he sucks at pvp :P)...let me tell you one thing...you cant win with this guy in a conv...he is a stubborn hag...most of the times he is right i agree, and on ur debate i agree with him. i also agree that agoran/apollo is a good strategy but can be easilly beaten especially with purge rune from other knights

Yeah, but this is about knight vs archer.. And archer cannot use scatter when in sylph form.

[Brutal_Hobo]

i am in the same guild with slowplay since january of 2013 (i beat him without astrals on, he sucks at pvp :P)...let me tell you one thing...you cant win with this guy in a conv...he is a stubborn hag...most of the times he is right i agree, and on ur debate i agree with him. i also agree that agoran/apollo is a good strategy but can be easilly beaten especially with purge rune from other knights

well yeah strategy would be useless against a knight since they would carry a purge
mages tend to carry guardian and chaos/amnesia/rage from my experience
dont usually bring purge

today
i was in a fight
4v1 gb (i went to a weaker guild to make gb more fun, so it was against decent opponents)

i was winning

got it down to 2v1, then what got me was an amnesia rune level 10

i could of easily won that fight
amnesia took out both my delphic and guardian rune
next thing you know it, double delphic in 100%

my point here is
amnesia imo is the best defense against guardian rune

attack is the best defense
but the knight apollo, shield strategy works too
i lost to a similar br knight in bg today who did that
got me 3 attacks in 50% 2 in 100%
he had really high electro resist

[DanteMugetsu]

Well, since u said that your battle was not real pvp, and you said in other comment that no one does that in real pvp, then it means that only few players are able to manage to get that 330k delph damage with no shock chain and not yet in 50%... So why the heck are you using that one and only battle to prove that Brutal's idea is useless and will make you defeat all of the time? Pfft...

1. You just need to have more than half hp to survive the delph. Archer attacks are basically weak to knights, since it is patk, so you will be able to retain sustainable hp until he awakens and use shock chain and some skill before he delphs.
2. Shock chain debuff can be purified, and Actually, it is apollo shield that will make shock chain debuff useless.
3. Do I need to give a scenario with that same archer that you "always battle 10 times per bg"? Of course, you will not let the battle drag to 1 minute, since you can defeat him anyways unless it goes to 50% timer.

I tried using Brutal's idea to an archer 10k br above me, and I won, with around 2/3 - 3/4 hp left.

i am in the same guild with slowplay since january of 2013 (i beat him without astrals on, he sucks at pvp :P)...let me tell you one thing...you cant win with this guy in a conv...he is a stubborn hag...most of the times he is right i agree, and on ur debate i agree with him. i also agree that agoran/apollo is a good strategy but can be easilly beaten especially with purge rune from other knights

[Kingryan]

As i said he was sure to oneshot me that's why it wasn't a real pvp, too much confidence on his side.
Anyway your math is correct but u suppose quite a bit of stuff that ain't gonna happen.

1st u suppose i'd be full hp when he hit me with his delphic, either i heal before delphic to be full hp when he hit me or after (if i survive)
2nd u forgot shock chain make apollo useless
3rd if you were an archer on sylph form against a knight that as soon as u go pet use shield then apollo, what would u do? While in pet form u get basically no damage from a player not in sylph form so he'd just need to waste 3/4 turn and hit delphic when knight is forced to go sylph, doing that he'll also get a damage buff of at least 20% (probably 30% due to sylphs attacks), try to add those stuff to your math and tell me how would u survive on 50%, with 30% mdef debuff and opponent with let's say 20% damage buff.

A knight used this strategy against me today in bg (was surelly lower but not too much, was doing 20k us on him) and i didn't even had to use delphic.

Well, since u said that your battle was not real pvp, and you said in other comment that no one does that in real pvp, then it means that only few players are able to manage to get that 330k delph damage with no shock chain and not yet in 50%... So why the heck are you using that one and only battle to prove that Brutal's idea is useless and will make you defeat all of the time? Pfft...

1. You just need to have more than half hp to survive the delph. Archer attacks are basically weak to knights, since it is patk, so you will be able to retain sustainable hp until he awakens and use shock chain and some skill before he delphs.
2. Shock chain debuff can be purified, and Actually, it is apollo shield that will make shock chain debuff useless.
3. Do I need to give a scenario with that same archer that you "always battle 10 times per bg"? Of course, you will not let the battle drag to 1 minute, since you can defeat him anyways unless it goes to 50% timer.

I tried using Brutal's idea to an archer 10k br above me, and I won, with around 2/3 - 3/4 hp left.

[SlowPlay]

1. So he did not use Shock Chain and still managed to get that 330k damage??
2. He used a delphic before 50%, so why are you saying NO ONE uses delph before 50%? Maybe your battle was not a real pvp??
3. Using Brutal's idea of using apollo and agoran, something like this would happen:

If he delphed at 50%, then the 330k would become 495k, we will round it to 500k.
Of course, since you have only 400k hp, you would be OHKO.
But if you used apollo and agoran, the 500k damage would be reduced to 270k (150k damage reduced from apollo and 80k reduced from agoran, total of 230k hp).

You would survive his delph at 50 % with 130k hp left, then use heal rune, healing you 120k hp (normal level 10 rune), and you would still have half hp left.

So I still think Brutal has a point, since an archer cannot use scatter in sylph form.

I have tried using his idea/tactic, so far, it works good, but it does not kill the enemy fast, which I do not like, since a waste of time..

As i said he was sure to oneshot me that's why it wasn't a real pvp, too much confidence on his side.
Anyway your math is correct but u suppose quite a bit of stuff that ain't gonna happen.

1st u suppose i'd be full hp when he hit me with his delphic, either i heal before delphic to be full hp when he hit me or after (if i survive)
2nd u forgot shock chain make apollo useless
3rd if you were an archer on sylph form against a knight that as soon as u go pet use shield then apollo, what would u do? While in pet form u get basically no damage from a player not in sylph form so he'd just need to waste 3/4 turn and hit delphic when knight is forced to go sylph, doing that he'll also get a damage buff of at least 20% (probably 30% due to sylphs attacks), try to add those stuff to your math and tell me how would u survive on 50%, with 30% mdef debuff and opponent with let's say 20% damage buff.

A knight used this strategy against me today in bg (was surelly lower but not too much, was doing 20k us on him) and i didn't even had to use delphic.

[Kingryan]

Who believed it was the "first one who sylph wins?"

I did not believed that... What I knew is the one who delph at 50% usually wins.

But then it still depends on situation... You could sylph at beginning, then force stop awakening, then try to survive sylph round (well, the 50% timer should be the proper name on it).. You might be able to sylph until 100% timer mark comes.

[R226329038]

well its true
for the longest time everyone i fought in bg just went straight to sylph
meanwhile it was me taking my time throwing up an incendiary and a guardian rune absorbing their attacks before sylphing
i was using guardian rune way before people seen how good it was
i watched thrells class wars video the first time he won and was shocked to see none of the top archers using a guardian

About a year, ago, I started writing in-depth analysis of all classes, studying the system, how things work, efficient combos and strategies etc... (Took me like..15-20 pages of microsoft word for each class iirc xD) (got updated with sylph patch too). But meh, the more I approached the community, the more I was..."disgusted" (for a lack of word lol), never bothered to post them (not sure it would've mattered or been cared about though).
And I stuck with knight because I liked the triple deflect chance (passive/astral/AQ) and bleed rune while being able to play defensively (Bleed wh're right there <3)

About Top players class wars.. I watched some top players (CW winners at the time for some lol, not gonna name anyone though) Delphic-ing with troops alive.. Those wounded me deeply xD

[daunapu]

dont be a sheep, all sheep do is follow each other
do your own strategies, ever since sylphs come out everyone thinks, first to sylph wins
this is not the case

best strategy: adapt, to the particular fight, to the game, to life.

After 1st hit you should know the approximate strength of your opponent, should you afk kill him facerolling, should you just afk, cause he is much much stronger, or use your game experience to foresee his next move and try to counter it.

Still advanced guardian rune is not right.

[Brutal_Hobo]

Had to wait like 10 months before I see someone other than me say that lol (I know there were other similar mindset hidden in the community though)

And your gm knight plays a style similar to mine it seems :P

well its true
for the longest time everyone i fought in bg just went straight to sylph
meanwhile it was me taking my time throwing up an incendiary and a guardian rune absorbing their attacks before sylphing
i was using guardian rune way before people seen how good it was
i watched thrells class wars video the first time he won and was shocked to see none of the top archers using a guardian

[R226329038]

Do your own strategies, ever since sylphs come out everyone thinks, first to sylph wins
this is not the case

Had to wait like 10 months before I see someone other than me say that lol (I know there were other similar mindset hidden in the community though)

And your gm knight plays a style similar to mine it seems :P

[Brutal_Hobo]

My main is an archer but i used a 370k Knight (370k pre-patch) and awakening a bit late is the trick.

Go agoran as soon opponent uses sylph, cast apollo, wait till opponent chooses to delphic and you awaken (already at 50% extra dmg mark) hit/heal - hit/delphic (while your opponent is about to get outta sylph).

Afaik that was the strat (with minimal changes, perhaps?) that my friend used before quitting the game and he always did good vs same br or even higher br opponents of all classes.

Heck, mages are able to do this with their restoration and guardian rune.

it works for mages too, and so do many other strategies
i guess what im saying is
dont be a sheep, all sheep do is follow each other
do your own strategies, ever since sylphs come out everyone thinks, first to sylph wins
this is not the case