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  • AdmiralZick
    started a topic Mage unfair starting skill

    Mage unfair starting skill

    Hello and Good AM to every one..
    Is there any body here notice about the Unfair Skill of mage compare to other Character??

    Imagine this on Arena! (3 vs 3 Archer vs Mage) Or (Knight Vs Mage!) even ( 1 knight and 2 archer vs 1 knight and 2 mage) Archer need to do 2x Arrow Strike which is Random targer right? before he can do AOE.. and the Knight Needs 50 Rage before he can do AOE!
    AOE are very important in Arena even in Battle Ground, because this is not a random attack.. it can cause damage to all Opponents characters..

    Lets start with the "MAGE"! on their First Strike.. They can Do "RAIN OF FIRE" = AOE, and From the word AOE, it is "Area Of Effects" It means theSkill or ability will effect all characters in a large area instead of just a single target..
    and the 2nd skill that Mage can do is "LIGHTNING BOLT" single magic attack, also to recover the rage..
    then 3rd is "METEORIC DESTROYER = AOE again.. if you still Alive?? the "RAIN OF FIRE" cool down are done and he can use it Again..
    Before archer nor Knight can do AOE They already Toasted by the Meteors of Mage.. remember AOE is not a Random Attack,
    while the Archer needs to do 2x "ARROW STRIKE" = Single & Random Target Before he can do the skill "LUNATIC STRIKE" = AOE.
    before he can gather enoughRage to do AOE, The Archers or Knight are already Toasted by the Meteor's of Mage..
    and we call it METEOR GARDEN.. It feels like your watching the F4 Concert.. Hahaha
    Imagine 3 or 2 AOE at the Same Time on their First Strike?? lol .. while the archers wait for 2 rounds before can perform the Lunatic strike. To make it simple.. here it is "in 4 rounds Archer and Knight can do 1 AOE and 3 Single Random Target.. while the Mage can do 3 AOE and 1 Single target skill in 4 rounds.. imagine 3 AOE in 4 Rounds?? if you still not convince?? go Try it in ARENA.. you will be come a deep Fried Player..

    Suggestion:
    We all need here is the Fairness of the server or should i call it "GAME".. i suggest Lesser damage of the RAIN OF FIRE..
    sinse they can do it on their FIRST STRIKE.. if you dont agree about that then what about "HIGHER RAGE FOR THE RAIN OF FIRE"
    so that they cant use it on their first strike! just like archer and Knight..! if you said its unfair for mage because mage low def??
    still nonsense and thats not the point.. because before you hit the mage you already dead..

    PS:

    IF YOU THINK ITS UNFAIR FOR MAGE IF YOU CHANGE THE SKILLS?.. THEN THE CHANGES WILL BE NOT ON MAGE!

    YOU GUYS SHOULD MAKE THE 2ND SKILL OF (ARCHER AND KNIGHT) MAKE IT AOE... SO IT IS FAIR..
    Last edited by AdmiralZick; 10-29-2012, 02:07 PM.

  • DeathRiver
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    Originally posted by Hyorinmaru6 View Post
    ohh i see
    hey wait
    reverse damage is not a great skill for level -40s cause max reverse damage is only available after level 50
    I know, 1k!!!

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  • Hyorinmaru6
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    Originally posted by DeathRiver View Post
    More of a standing means that they at least have more respect now Reverse Damage ftw.
    ohh i see
    hey wait
    reverse damage is not a great skill for level -40s cause max reverse damage is only available after level 50

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  • DeathRiver
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    Originally posted by Hyorinmaru6 View Post
    hehe yea
    and don't u mean understanding
    More of a standing means that they at least have more respect now Reverse Damage ftw.

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  • Hyorinmaru6
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    Originally posted by DeathRiver View Post
    Sigh... as mages grow, now it's archers' turn to whine. At least knights have more of a standing now, considering a 3 knights room and a 3 mages room can kill each other in 5 turns.
    hehe yea
    and don't u mean understanding

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  • Senjuu
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    Originally posted by DeathRiver View Post
    Sigh... as mages grow, now it's archers' turn to whine. At least knights have more of a standing now, considering a 3 knights room and a 3 mages room can kill each other in 5 turns.
    the whining threads for all classes have been completed..lol.. one for mages, one for knights and one for archers.. )

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  • DeathRiver
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    Sigh... as mages grow, now it's archers' turn to whine. At least knights have more of a standing now, considering a 3 knights room and a 3 mages room can kill each other in 5 turns.

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  • Hyorinmaru6
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    Originally posted by SuperMimi View Post
    You mean crit master right Hyorinmaru6? Crit Master? I dont think so.. We have a passive skill +20% crit rate.. But that 20% can be lessen by the opponent wearing trinket.. it can be lessen by 10%.. So it aready become +10% crit rate.. In lunatic shot, it only has (104% physical damge +10 crit rate and its not 10% ithink + 10% passive crite rate) w/ 45 rage consumption.. Will i hit a crtical strike there with the opponent wearing trinket? I tried using lvl 5 purple crit astral and use my lunatic shot lvl 3.. and crit rate is still bad.. Is that a master of crit? Are you saying master of Crit because we have skill that always hit critical attack? Its Multi-Shot and its totaly good skill.. But compare to the skill of mage , it just have same damge, critical damge highlights is just look strong and cool. Using that skill cause -10 rage.. After a hit +10 rage.. So nothing add and deduct rage point from your rage.. If thats the case , how can we earn 45 rage points..? Like i said i have no problem in mage skill , i am comparing their skill because two character are know to be the DAMAGER in terms of Physical and Magical attack.. Just a little remake skill for Lunatic and Multi Shot Skill


    Lunatic Shot ( Add some crit rate or lower rage consumption)
    Multi Shot ( Add atleast 5 rage points )

    I think its good and balance..
    No i do mean Crit MONSTERS not masters
    crit monsters is a term used for assassin class usually to those who hit critical strikes alot its not an offensive term ok
    AOE masters are usually a term used for class like mages or wizards in some games
    also u may have critical chance increase skill but critical stat also helps
    crit stat increases both chance and critical damage
    Multi shot has 100% crit rate so u never have to worry even if the opponent has crypt trinkets
    lunatic shot is actually made for PVE like when u fight in deadly sands u get worms,lancers who give bleed and stun alot lancer do mass attacks with low damage per strike
    same with worms but they usualy have single attacks
    lancers have mass singular target attack or mass damage and stun attack
    swords have mass rotation attacks or singular attack with least attack count
    worms have singular attack or mass attack with bleed effect

    now in these areas AOEs come very handy and in these places knights tend to value their most weakest attack the whirlwind (actually whirlwind is a very powerful attack cause it spins 3 times)

    i say masters of crit cause ur the DPS class

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  • SuperMimi
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    You mean crit master right Hyorinmaru6? Crit Master? I dont think so.. We have a passive skill +20% crit rate.. But that 20% can be lessen by the opponent wearing trinket.. it can be lessen by 10%.. So it aready become +10% crit rate.. In lunatic shot, it only has (104% physical damge +10 crit rate and its not 10% ithink + 10% passive crite rate) w/ 45 rage consumption.. Will i hit a crtical strike there with the opponent wearing trinket? I tried using lvl 5 purple crit astral and use my lunatic shot lvl 3.. and crit rate is still bad.. Is that a master of crit? Are you saying master of Crit because we have skill that always hit critical attack? Its Multi-Shot and its totaly good skill.. But compare to the skill of mage , it just have same damge, critical damge highlights is just look strong and cool. Using that skill cause -10 rage.. After a hit +10 rage.. So nothing add and deduct rage point from your rage.. If thats the case , how can we earn 45 rage points..? Like i said i have no problem in mage skill , i am comparing their skill because two character are know to be the DAMAGER in terms of Physical and Magical attack.. Just a little remake skill for Lunatic and Multi Shot Skill


    Lunatic Shot ( Add some crit rate or lower rage consumption)
    Multi Shot ( Add atleast 5 rage points )

    I think its good and balance..

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  • Hyorinmaru6
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    Originally posted by Gyrannon View Post
    Here's a better suggestion to the Mods: Immediately close EVERY SINGLE thread that complains about another class being "UNFAIR".

    **** you whining wussies! THEY WILL NOT CHANGE THE CLASSES!!
    Why?
    Cause the most logical solution to YOUR problem is NOT their fault, it is YOURS!
    Obviously, if your character sucks, you WILL lose! I'm archer, I've been killed too many times Knights & Mages, however I have killed just as many, some who are higher level than myself! And yes I have lost to players of opposite classes that are lower levels than myself.
    But am I complaining about them winning? NO. I in fact do what any other NORMAL player would do:
    I LEARN TO OVERCOME THE OBSTACLE AN PLAY.

    If you can't handle some other player beating you, then quit playing. The game is fair, the classes are fair, and the skills that each class has are fair.
    But complain, moan, whine, cry to mommy all you want, cause they will NOT change the classes so YOU can have an advantage.
    +1
    although i don't think mods will close the threads which whine about another class being OP or whine about how their class is weak
    i do think it should be like that

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  • Gyrannon
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    Here's a better suggestion to the Mods: Immediately close EVERY SINGLE thread that complains about another class being "UNFAIR".

    **** you whining wussies! THEY WILL NOT CHANGE THE CLASSES!!
    Why?
    Cause the most logical solution to YOUR problem is NOT their fault, it is YOURS!
    Obviously, if your character sucks, you WILL lose! I'm archer, I've been killed too many times Knights & Mages, however I have killed just as many, some who are higher level than myself! And yes I have lost to players of opposite classes that are lower levels than myself.
    But am I complaining about them winning? NO. I in fact do what any other NORMAL player would do:
    I LEARN TO OVERCOME THE OBSTACLE AN PLAY.

    If you can't handle some other player beating you, then quit playing. The game is fair, the classes are fair, and the skills that each class has are fair.
    But complain, moan, whine, cry to mommy all you want, cause they will NOT change the classes so YOU can have an advantage.

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  • Hyorinmaru6
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    Originally posted by SuperMimi View Post
    I've already notice these,the starting skill of mage in arena.. i called it a 3 turn kill agains 3 mages in Group arena.. and actually already post same problem about mage skill. But i realized,theres need to change any skill of mage.. I think " LUNATIC Shot of archer" Should be one being change.. Why? Ok lets compare the AOE of Archer and Mage cause these 2 character are the DAMAGER in the server.. ( And i think Damager knight is not a good build.. The best is a Tanker Build Knight for me..)

    Here is the reason Why..

    1. Lunatic Shot of Archer,it consume 45 Rage.. Your Starting rage is 30.. 1 arrow Strike = +5 rage , +10 if its critical hit (if your are lucky enough)..

    2. Lets compare for the Rain of Fire of Mage and Lunatic Shot of Archer..

    A.) Rain of Fire = 14 Rage while Lunatic Shot = 45 rage
    B.) Rain of Fire and Lunatic Shot can dealt same damage on enemy Depending on the pdef and mdef of target..
    C.) Lunatic Shot got +10 crit rate ( i dont know if its % or just a number 10).. Lol! did you know that wearing a Pair or Trinket Can lessen the crit damage recieve rate.. ? ~_~

    3.) Ok i agree, Multi shot is a good skill of archer.. And i notice that its the best skill against boss and World Boss? You know Why?

    A.) Muti Shot is good against 1v1.. I am strongly agree 1v1 no troop no party.. Mage vs Archer , Archer will surely eat mage for sure.. But in Group arena , Battle Ground and Arena Duel.. Its Always 3v3.. The point is Multi Shot is 2 hits random target.. ***! How many turn will i used Multi Shot just to swipe the troop of my enemy.. To think that , if you use Multi Shot , you wont gain or loose Rage.. How will i use my lunatic shot w/ 45 rage consumption? lol! I hope those archer get my point here..


    Ok here is my request if GM or Admin read my post..

    A.) Multi Shot = ( If archer use this skill , they gain maybe atleast 5-10 rage) or (Make it an AOE W/ only single hit w/ 100% crit rate , and if its single enemy make it 2 hit w/ 100% crit rate just like original)

    B.) Lunatic Shot = ( Maybe make it 35 rage consumption and add some crit rate % ) or ( Make it +100% crit rate with 45 rage consumption.) because trinket set can make achers crit rate very low..)

    Thats my suggestion.. Those archer out there, support my suggestion please..
    Mages are AOE characters i am pretty sure in the character class description u have something that says

    Mages masters of AOE
    archers are not AOE masters archers are crit monsters
    Mages are Magical DPS and AOE monsters

    as i said on my first reply post in this thread
    all class are balanced

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  • AnarchyPSG
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    mage+archer+knight = kick all *** who oppose us FTW!! gangnam style haha!! heyyyyyyyyy sexy laydeeee =p

    3 mage we par good with same br same equips even the tough mages in our server is surprise. my team is a good combo even versus 3 knights 3 mages 3 archers. depends on how u play and the equips and gems u have..but yes monster casher mage = aoe first turn then LT then destroyer kinda sux lol. but we still survive this things =D

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  • bolananas2nd
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    lots of non-archer wants multi shot nerfed, and you suggest to boost it up? wow...

    non-archer > complaining about multishot
    non-mage > complaining about their aoe (rof, meteor)
    non-knight > complaining about... afaik, only about reverse damage, and only few complaining about it

    know your place! umm, know your character!

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  • AdmiralZick
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    Agree...! Good Job

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