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  • #31
    Originally posted by Arlad View Post
    ah, even timmyspook and antiapartheid is not this dumb.
    you keep saying that defense is useless, but only using an excuse with res. look at ALL my posts,, all i said is that res crystal works better on high defense.
    its like saying that Mitsubishi GT-2000 is a slow car because a baby drive it. it works both way, a good car wont do good with a bad driver, and a good driver has it limits with crappy car. same as res and defense.




    speak of the devil itself....
    well, its pretty normal for foolish people to hate people who used his brain.
    You really cant be that stupid. I read every post, you are the one who cant read/comprehend what I wrote apparently. Maybe I need to use a 3rd grade English vernacular

    What I said is what I consider horrid defense (50% of your attack) and very high resist/will, has a greater effect than horrid resist crystals with excellent defense stats(where defenses are close to the same as attack)

    I don't doubt you know what you are talking about, but you don't read /comprehend well. Also, seems like you just like to hear yourself talk and bash others. You gave a dumb example with numbers that are irrelevant. I gave stats of a fight in BG with stats like I suggested. Clearly the HORRID defense 50k pdef/mdef ~100k attack with super high resists(multiple adv/expert dimensions) > much better defenses(75kish) ~100k attack with all basic dimensions

    Originally posted by FufuBunnySlayer View Post
    Two things I just wanna say.

    1. The lower your def, the more effect res will have. Since you're taking more damage based on defensive stats, then more damage will be negated by res.

    2. RES vs. DEF is much the same argument as Goddess Blessing vs. Aegis. RES is a % based reduction, DEF is absolute. The % based will have the bigger effect at bigger numbers. No need to neglect one entirely, but RES is obviously the more important factor of the two.

    Yes^ pretty much spot on
    Last edited by EsmeWeatherwax; 03-03-2015, 06:10 AM. Reason: post merge
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    • #32
      Originally posted by HumbleSlayer View Post
      You really cant be that stupid. I read every post, you are the one who cant read/comprehend what I wrote apparently. Maybe I need to use a 3rd grade English vernacular

      What I said is what I consider horrid defense (50% of your attack) and very high resist/will, has a greater effect than horrid resist crystals with excellent defense stats(where defenses are close to the same as attack)

      I don't doubt you know what you are talking about, but you don't read /comprehend well. Also, seems like you just like to hear yourself talk and bash others. You gave a dumb example with numbers that are irrelevant. I gave stats of a fight in BG with stats like I suggested. Clearly the HORRID defense 50k pdef/mdef ~100k attack with super high resists(multiple adv/expert dimensions) > much better defenses(75kish) ~100k attack with all basic dimensions
      do you even understand what youre even saying?
      yes, res took more effect when you have low defense, BUT you dont want that to happen. why would someone take a liking to receive a bigger damage? youre like old ladies who enjoyed buying in a shop with overpriced items because they have discounts, while there are other places which has same item but with lower prices. and which one will ends up cheaper when they have same discount? thats right, the one with lower prices
      Originally posted by Wraithraiser
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      • #33
        Kids fight, meh.

        Tot i shouldn't tell u that because i meet u fairly often in bg but dump some useless pdef and get block instead, rise ur will crystal and do some dimension, u can't have that low res red with dim so my guess is that u have 3 completed at most and don't listed to who said to change to athena which suck big time in 1vs1 pvp, if u get enough res red stacked dim res doesn't matter much anymore anyway (except those with 1200+ res but it's a rotation, u'll never find 15 opponent with 1200 electro res). And if this help u next time we meet in bg u own me a free kill

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        • #34
          Originally posted by SlowPlay View Post
          Kids fight, meh.

          Tot i shouldn't tell u that because i meet u fairly often in bg but dump some useless pdef and get block instead, rise ur will crystal and do some dimension, u can't have that low res red with dim so my guess is that u have 3 completed at most and don't listed to who said to change to athena which suck big time in 1vs1 pvp, if u get enough res red stacked dim res doesn't matter much anymore anyway (except those with 1200+ res but it's a rotation, u'll never find 15 opponent with 1200 electro res). And if this help u next time we meet in bg u own me a free kill
          yeah, i agree he should drop some of his pdef gem for block.
          but i still disagree about not changing his sylph, yes you wont find 15 people in BG who has 1200 elec res, but its even harder to find one people with 1200 light res in BG.
          people are getting aware of the importance of res now, and 10 of 15 people in BG building elec res, then hercules users are getting scre.wed.
          Originally posted by Wraithraiser
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          • #35
            Originally posted by SlowPlay View Post
            Kids fight, meh.

            Tot i shouldn't tell u that because i meet u fairly often in bg but dump some useless pdef and get block instead, rise ur will crystal and do some dimension, u can't have that low res red with dim so my guess is that u have 3 completed at most and don't listed to who said to change to athena which suck big time in 1vs1 pvp, if u get enough res red stacked dim res doesn't matter much anymore anyway (except those with 1200+ res but it's a rotation, u'll never find 15 opponent with 1200 electro res). And if this help u next time we meet in bg u own me a free kill
            Thank you. This is what I have been saying for 12 hours on this page. The defense numbers (pdef/mdef) do NOT matter nearly as much as RESIST and RESIST Reduction. Do just like Slowplay suggest and you will fair better. Stick with your Gold Herc. Your attack is fine. You need to take less damage. The fastest way to take less damage is with HIGH LEVEL Dimensions and resist crystals. Surely you will suffer vs Gaia, or AQ but they will also suffer vs you. You will stop some of the losing to people much lower BR
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Arlad View Post
              yeah, i agree he should drop some of his pdef gem for block.
              but i still disagree about not changing his sylph, yes you wont find 15 people in BG who has 1200 elec res, but its even harder to find one people with 1200 light res in BG.
              people are getting aware of the importance of res now, and 10 of 15 people in BG building elec res, then hercules users are getting scre.wed.
              People who do that also will run out of electro dims quickly, except maybe basics, which basically weakens the amount of res you can build and thus destroying the temporary advantage. It's annoying when one person stacks one res esp since it's bugged pre-awaken, e.g. you and wolfsoul, but usually not earth shattering, esp since gain was nerfed from dims.

              Someone who runs a collection of higher maps (adv, exp, few filled ints) will have much higher reduce res, which again, negates the benefit you champion.

              Also also, bulking up res reduces dmg taken, but does not affect dmg dealt; so even if you do have goldly res, it will stalemate you into 2+ minute long fights, which are of no benefit to anyone in a timed event like BG. You may win one fight you normally wouldn't have, but you have locked yourself out of 2-3 more fights you could have gotten into in that time. So it will really benefit only the very, very low BR who have trouble winning any fights at all.

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              • #37
                Congrats Fufu on winning our hall tonight
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by FufuBunnySlayer View Post
                  People who do that also will run out of electro dims quickly, except maybe basics, which basically weakens the amount of res you can build and thus destroying the temporary advantage. It's annoying when one person stacks one res esp since it's bugged pre-awaken, e.g. you and wolfsoul, but usually not earth shattering, esp since gain was nerfed from dims.

                  Someone who runs a collection of higher maps (adv, exp, few filled ints) will have much higher reduce res, which again, negates the benefit you champion.

                  Also also, bulking up res reduces dmg taken, but does not affect dmg dealt; so even if you do have goldly res, it will stalemate you into 2+ minute long fights, which are of no benefit to anyone in a timed event like BG. You may win one fight you normally wouldn't have, but you have locked yourself out of 2-3 more fights you could have gotten into in that time. So it will really benefit only the very, very low BR who have trouble winning any fights at all.
                  ah, im happy you recognized me in BG.
                  like i said in another post, people who stacked in elec res are normally scrwed when they face people with gaia and athena.
                  yes, the boost may temporary, but when someone run out of his dimension, there would be someone else to take his place. especially when more than half people in BG are using hercules. i have won against people with 200k BR above me because they are using hercules, yet people with lower BR than me are managed to beat me when they didnt use hercules.

                  now back to the issue of bulking or not:
                  bulking on 1 res doesnt mean you have to ignore other res too, the best res to pick for PvP are elec, dark, and light. and coincidentally, those are the elements of the best sylphs to use. so there are no disadvantage on bulking the main res while leaving the rest 2 slot on other resistances.
                  also, the other benefit is not in PvP. have you tried spire with having 760 res and above?
                  Originally posted by Wraithraiser
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                  • #39
                    ty humbleslayer, hopefully I'll make it into big hall eventually

                    Originally posted by Arlad View Post
                    ah, im happy you recognized me in BG.
                    like i said in another post, people who stacked in elec res are normally scrwed when they face people with gaia and athena.
                    yes, the boost may temporary, but when someone run out of his dimension, there would be someone else to take his place. especially when more than half people in BG are using hercules. i have won against people with 200k BR above me because they are using hercules, yet people with lower BR than me are managed to beat me when they didnt use hercules.

                    now back to the issue of bulking or not:
                    bulking on 1 res doesnt mean you have to ignore other res too, the best res to pick for PvP are elec, dark, and light. and coincidentally, those are the elements of the best sylphs to use. so there are no disadvantage on bulking the main res while leaving the rest 2 slot on other resistances.
                    also, the other benefit is not in PvP. have you tried spire with having 760 res and above?
                    Would be hard not to, since you use the same user =P

                    I know, but usually bulking up on one res means all 5 of your dimensions are that element, meaning your other res values will be 500 or less (assuming all lvl 7 crystals).

                    As for spire, I wasn't sure if that was a bug or not. One time 24 raged and was dealing less than 20k dmg to me, heh, but I can't remember if my res was sky high at the time or not. However, my group has been clearing spire consistently for 4+ months, so it's not really a tangible benefit there, but I can see how it could be for others.
                    Last edited by FufuBunnySlayer; 03-01-2015, 01:49 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TotEu View Post
                      Let me give you a better example of what i meant. These are how my stats looks like:

                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]128340[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]128341[/ATTACH]

                      These are my 2 main sylphs so far:

                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]128342[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]128343[/ATTACH]

                      And my main problem is that i loose to players with 50 k Br less then me, 20 - 30 k less defense stats, same class sylph (usually lower quality)
                      Yikes, there's your problem, you have low reduce res and low elemental res. I have the same level will crystals and my reduce res is 646 (or about that, can't see it right now). My electro res was over 800 (just lost one of my dims, so it's a lot lower now). So I would have more reduce res than your max res, giving me maybe 10% extra damage pre-sylph. You would have your attacks reduced by 45% or so. Your atk and def are quite a bit higher than mine, so you might still win, but you're at a severe handicap. And 800 res is not especially high, you'll definitely see players with higher numbers, making your attacks even weaker.

                      So, go get more and better dimensions going, you're definitely way behind most players. In the meantime, I'd probably go with your athena into battlegrounds, since high light res is pretty uncommon, and you'll at least do good damage in sylph form. But until you get your reduce res up, you're not going to be doing much damage to anyone in hero mode.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by FufuBunnySlayer View Post
                        I know, but usually bulking up on one res means all 5 of your dimensions are that element, meaning your other res values will be 500 or less (assuming all lvl 7 crystals).
                        but what are you proposing? should we spread all res equally? that would be counterproductive. if we done that then you will have less than 500 on all elements, and everyone in BG normally already has 500+ res reduction. that means all of your res would be useless.
                        "jack of all trades, master of none" types are usually loses when they are matched against specialists.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Arlad View Post
                          but what are you proposing? should we spread all res equally? that would be counterproductive. if we done that then you will have less than 500 on all elements, and everyone in BG normally already has 500+ res reduction. that means all of your res would be useless.
                          "jack of all trades, master of none" types are usually loses when they are matched against specialists.
                          I'm more just poking holes in the strategy you're suggesting. However, 500 reduce RES is pretty weak--I'm sitting at 900 or so ATM. Besides RES goes negative...so negative 400 is better than 700, no?

                          Personally, I don't plan RES I just use the highest quality coords I have to get the most from the daily mailed rewards.

                          I threw up a couple int electros this week cuz CW. Would have done an advanced light otherwise.
                          Last edited by FufuBunnySlayer; 03-01-2015, 08:56 AM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by FufuBunnySlayer View Post
                            I'm more just poking holes in the strategy you're suggesting. However, 500 reduce RES is pretty weak--I'm sitting at 900 or so ATM. Besides RES goes negative...so negative 400 is better than 700, no?

                            Personally, I don't plan RES I just use the highest quality coords I have to get the most from the daily mailed rewards.

                            I threw up a couple int electros this week cuz CW. Would have done an advanced light otherwise.
                            are you actually supporting my argument?
                            i used 500 as an example is because that's what "normal" players have, not the top tiers guys.
                            and if we use your number, which is 900 reduce res as a standard, then people with 500 res on all element would be weak against everyone because he will have negative res as result. whereas if someone bulking on his main res (lets use 1200 as example), at least he still have a chance of winning because he still have + 300 res in final calculation, at least before the opponent awaken. if we used the spread res strategy, he would have been lost even before opponent awakens.
                            Originally posted by Wraithraiser
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                            • #44
                              double post due to internet wonkiness

                              Reread post #37 rather. Won't let me edit my post for some reason.
                              Last edited by EsmeWeatherwax; 03-03-2015, 06:09 AM. Reason: post merge

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by FufuBunnySlayer
                                Reread post #37 rather. Won't let me edit my post for some reason.
                                which i already replied in post #39. -_-
                                Originally posted by Wraithraiser
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