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  • TotEu
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    Does PDEF and MDEF gems still count for anything else but BR since the resistance crystals? I keep fighting players with lower BR, lower PDEF, lower quality sylph and losing. The damage i take is considerably higher then the one i make and i just don't understand how is this possible. With all the new stuff that keeps getting added to the game and the lack of information makes you wonder if there is any point in playing anymore. Hope a moderator or a GM can give me an answer. Thank You!
    Last edited by TotEu; 02-27-2015, 08:35 PM.

  • R238423534
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    Resistances work like intensity and tenacity. They have no meaning if you don't have good enough base stats. That says it all.

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  • SlowPlay
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    Originally posted by TotEu View Post
    Bottom line is that i have a hell load of work left for me to do:
    - increase my res red
    - increase my normal res
    - i'm way behind with my astrals (goddess, determination...)
    - way behind with my stables as well (500 lvls to go on endurance, 50 on defense and not to forget intellect which is on lvl 9/555)
    - holy forge
    - and gems (i will take slowplay's advice and convert my pdef gems to block and see how it goes)
    So, thank you all for your input! Probably i'll be back with improvements in 1 year...that's how long it will take me to get in line all my deficits lol (not to count all the new stuff that will come out by then)
    If i'm not mistaken you're a fairly new player, wartune is all about time (or you can buy time with cash, but that's another story).

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  • TotEu
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    Bottom line is that i have a hell load of work left for me to do:
    - increase my res red
    - increase my normal res
    - i'm way behind with my astrals (goddess, determination...)
    - way behind with my stables as well (500 lvls to go on endurance, 50 on defense and not to forget intellect which is on lvl 9/555)
    - holy forge
    - and gems (i will take slowplay's advice and convert my pdef gems to block and see how it goes)
    So, thank you all for your input! Probably i'll be back with improvements in 1 year...that's how long it will take me to get in line all my deficits lol (not to count all the new stuff that will come out by then)

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  • R271223325
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    what i can sa about this post is, in same br and same pdef, mdef, sylph resistance and br
    matters next, who ever has higher resistance and sylpf first wins but if ur openent has anti
    electro like his on hades but his resistance and dimensopns are on electro, u will eventually lose if u cant damage him at all or u just deal equal damage since gaia has lifestael and u are only onto damage(hercules)

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  • Littlelyseria
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    Originally posted by SlowPlay View Post
    Res red is still a part of res, when we talk about res being more helpfull then some def stat we include will (check post behind when we were telling to op to remove some def and switch it with block and improve his res/will). Now arlad got upset somehow because we told op that his high def is kinda useless and keep sayin that it's better to have high def and hig res, once again thanks for nothing but that's not helpfull for op. Op needed to lower his def to get some block which is way more helpfull than some def and improve his res. Now as mrfancy said those 2 thing are not related so op can fix both of them but someone totally legit said that if he had to focus on something, he'd have to focus on his res instead of his def which is true. Jeez 10 pages of litteraly nothing, gotta love it.
    Well if you had to choose btw the 2, i agree that at higher lvls of damage, elemental RES does the job more than raw stats but as u said, OP could just modify
    his raw stats a bit to add block + raise his will/res, doesnt have to choose when he can do both and have a good raw stats/RES rating.

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  • SlowPlay
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    Originally posted by Littlelyseria View Post
    Well not really, lets take the lv1 new med + maxed goddess @lv5 on both (with the passives of -dmg taken maxed too), both having the same att/hp ratings
    (both also being archers) but
    player a) has 100k patt, 50k mdef, 1k electro RES and 400 will b) has 100k patt, 100k mdef, 700 electro RES and 600 will and both using herc.

    By your logic player a) would have the edge since he has 300 higher electro (which is pretty nice) compared to b) but leaving out of the calculations the will
    ratings of both is literally negating a vital part of the game now. With this example my bets would be on player b) if we talk that both have the same skill playing
    archer and timing stuff so yea Arlad has a good point that neglecting raw stats can be bad most of the time too, finding a balance btw all these defenses is the
    way to go imo unless you are on zebq/ashira/pipster level, then just go out and steamroll people.

    And i think what arlad is trying to say is high def/res > high res anyday and this is just pure logic lol, its like saying low patt + high patt in sylph > high patt +
    high patt on sylph, makes no sense.
    Res red is still a part of res, when we talk about res being more helpfull then some def stat we include will (check post behind when we were telling to op to remove some def and switch it with block and improve his res/will). Now arlad got upset somehow because we told op that his high def is kinda useless and keep sayin that it's better to have high def and hig res, once again thanks for nothing but that's not helpfull for op. Op needed to lower his def to get some block which is way more helpfull than some def and improve his res. Now as mrfancy said those 2 thing are not related so op can fix both of them but someone totally legit said that if he had to focus on something, he'd have to focus on his res instead of his def which is true. Jeez 10 pages of litteraly nothing, gotta love it.

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  • Littlelyseria
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    Originally posted by kittyariel View Post
    ignorant is creating an argument that is not even there. Of course 100% of time resistance and dimensions are > defense stats on similarly stat player..... Also of course if you have cash + every stat available higher than any opponent you face you will win

    1 thing matters between similarly stat players. DIMENSIONS/resistance. How do you create an argument out of nothing and look stupid doing it? You broke the mold

    use your imagination, it doesnt have to be a real scenario: between 2 players, with SAME ATTACK AND HP, but THE DIFFERENCE ONLY ON DEFENSE AND RES.
    if two players are same attack and HP and the only difference is defense and resistance, the player with a much greater resistance will win almost every time. Its been said by 9 different posters here already. We all know this. There is no argument
    Well not really, lets take the lv1 new med + maxed goddess @lv5 on both (with the passives of -dmg taken maxed too), both having the same att/hp ratings
    (both also being archers) but
    player a) has 100k patt, 50k mdef, 1k electro RES and 400 will b) has 100k patt, 100k mdef, 700 electro RES and 600 will and both using herc.

    By your logic player a) would have the edge since he has 300 higher electro (which is pretty nice) compared to b) but leaving out of the calculations the will
    ratings of both is literally negating a vital part of the game now. With this example my bets would be on player b) if we talk that both have the same skill playing
    archer and timing stuff so yea Arlad has a good point that neglecting raw stats can be bad most of the time too, finding a balance btw all these defenses is the
    way to go imo unless you are on zebq/ashira/pipster level, then just go out and steamroll people.

    And i think what arlad is trying to say is high def/res > high res anyday and this is just pure logic lol, its like saying low patt + high patt in sylph > high patt +
    high patt on sylph, makes no sense.

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  • kittyariel
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    Originally posted by Tony944 View Post
    nobody talks about the %reduce damage from godess blessing and talent reduce dmg% and knight passive skill and medaillon you cant compare def/mdef and resistance if u dont count in %damage reduction if you factor all this is a bad *** match calculation not just 100kpatk 90kdef ill do 10k damage lol
    Tony, i think most people here are at the level where Goddess blessing is level 10 gold and around a +5. Also I am sure most people with stats like the OP have the new medal. Those two are just a given but you are right, they matter

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  • kittyariel
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    Originally posted by Arlad View Post
    i hate it when people are being ignorant like this.
    use your imagination, it doesnt have to be a real scenario: between 2 players, with SAME ATTACK AND HP, but THE DIFFERENCE ONLY ON DEFENSE AND RES.

    Now let me repeat for 100001th times: Having good defense AND good res is better than relying on res only.
    now who are stupid enough to say it was wrong?

    there's a cupcake who keep saying something obvious like res > def, but ALWAYS DENY ME WHEN I SAID DEF + RES >> RES.
    ignorant is creating an argument that is not even there. Of course 100% of time resistance and dimensions are > defense stats on similarly stat player..... Also of course if you have cash + every stat available higher than any opponent you face you will win

    1 thing matters between similarly stat players. DIMENSIONS/resistance. How do you create an argument out of nothing and look stupid doing it? You broke the mold

    use your imagination, it doesnt have to be a real scenario: between 2 players, with SAME ATTACK AND HP, but THE DIFFERENCE ONLY ON DEFENSE AND RES.
    if two players are same attack and HP and the only difference is defense and resistance, the player with a much greater resistance will win almost every time. Its been said by 9 different posters here already. We all know this. There is no argument
    Last edited by kittyariel; 03-04-2015, 06:46 PM.

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  • Tony944
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    nobody talks about the %reduce damage from godess blessing and talent reduce dmg% and knight passive skill and medaillon you cant compare def/mdef and resistance if u dont count in %damage reduction if you factor all this is a bad *** match calculation not just 100kpatk 90kdef ill do 10k damage lol

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  • ancev
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    Originally posted by SlowPlay View Post
    Res+def+hp >> def+res.
    cash+cash+cash>> cash+cash >> cash >> non-cash
    Edit: on topic, res plays a big role in fights, I have really low def and with big electro res, opponent's sylph attacks are just scratches. High HP+ high RES +high block +GA is nice, better then high def build . BUT it considerably lowers your BR. If you can afford it go for it.
    Last edited by ancev; 03-04-2015, 12:48 PM.

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  • Arlad
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    Originally posted by SlowPlay View Post
    Res+def+hp >> def+res.
    i would love to give +rep for your witty sarcasm.
    bravo.

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  • SlowPlay
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    Res+def+hp >> def+res.

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  • Arlad
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    Originally posted by kittyariel View Post
    You say use example of a defense where it is higher than opponents attack. The number i keep seeing is 95k attack......... Lets say its an archer vs archer fight. If the first (stronger archer) has 95k defense.... then that archer's attack would be around 150k. If that player faced a player with 95k attack and 50k defense the first player would AFK the 2nd player. The stats on a player with 150k attack 95k defenses woudl also have about 700k HP. It wouldnt matter how much resistance or dimensions or ANY stat on the 2nd player.
    i hate it when people are being ignorant like this.
    use your imagination, it doesnt have to be a real scenario: between 2 players, with SAME ATTACK AND HP, but THE DIFFERENCE ONLY ON DEFENSE AND RES.

    Now let me repeat for 100001th times: Having good defense AND good res is better than relying on res only.
    now who are stupid enough to say it was wrong?

    there's a cupcake who keep saying something obvious like res > def, but ALWAYS DENY ME WHEN I SAID DEF + RES >> RES.
    Last edited by Arlad; 03-04-2015, 09:03 AM.

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