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  • class action lawsiut

    I don't plan any. Just wondering, since I see random people threatening dev/publisher/whoever with almost every second week...
    Was there ever any court case related to wartune?
    If no, how did this happen?
    If yes, why nothing is known about it? Hushed with of court resolution of lawsiut under non disclosure agreement?
    Last edited by freeswag91; 12-21-2015, 03:05 AM.

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    Never happened, as far as I know. Too often the legitimate cases are swamped under by cheaters claiming to be innocent and then getting unmasked and blowing the case out of the water. There is currently an attempt on FB to rally the troops, but at least 3 of the enthusiastic posters have admitted openly to cheating, thus obliviating the idea of damages and blow a hole through the class action.

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    • #3

      That will never happen. While I'm sure some players will try, the ToS allows the company to terminate your access to the game any time they want for whatever reason they feel necessary. The most players can do is file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, which really won't accomplish anything. The only other option is your state legislator, who can pass laws prohibiting these companies from keeping all of your money in the event that they wrongfully terminate your account with the burden of proof being on the company. Nevertheless, it still won't get you your money back after the fact.

      I find it stupid how some of them are crying for a lawsuit yet they admit to exploiting the bug.

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      • #4
        well there are federal state and local laws in the us that deal with gambling (Texas Hold'em) just not sure if any apply here....."No law in California directly addresses the question of online gambling legality. California law hasn’t quite caught up to technology. This is a common condition in America, and it leads to a lot of confusion among players of Web-based gambling games".......there are 9 states that do have laws directed towards online gambling but this guy is not looking at them lol
        Last edited by JackFrost1111111; 12-21-2015, 04:50 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JackFrost1111111 View Post
          well there are federal state and local laws in the us that deal with gambling (Texas Hold'em) just not sure if any apply here....."No law in California directly addresses the question of online gambling legality. California law hasn’t quite caught up to technology. This is a common condition in America, and it leads to a lot of confusion among players of Web-based gambling games".......there are 9 states that do have laws directed towards online gambling but this guy is not looking at them lol

          The issue isn't gambling, the issue is players having their access revoked, possibly wrongly, which becomes a big problem if they had invested a lot of money into the game. This is why I've said in the past they need to pass laws dealing with games like this where players can "pay for power", which can easily exceed the typical monthly fee for most online subscription games.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JackFrost1111111 View Post
            well there are federal state and local laws in the us that deal with gambling (Texas Hold'em) just not sure if any apply here....."No law in California directly addresses the question of online gambling legality. California law hasn’t quite caught up to technology. This is a common condition in America, and it leads to a lot of confusion among players of Web-based gambling games".......there are 9 states that do have laws directed towards online gambling but this guy is not looking at them lol
            Problem is the Texas hold'em is not real gambling, you spend game tokens(balens) on chips. And those chips can never become balens again, and you cannot turn balens back to cash. So they dodge the law and call it simply a mini game, if there was a possible cash return, it would be a different story. This is the same when poker stars ect advertise on tv, they only advertise the "free" one that you can buy game coins for next to nothing, but never turn them back to cash. They then use that to entice some people over to the real money sites.

            That all aside
            From the TOS
            You acknowledge and agree that you have no ownership or other proprietary interests in any account stored or hosted in an R2Games system, including without limitation your R2Games account or any Games account and you further agree that all rights in and to such accounts are and will always be owned by and inured to the benefit of R2Games.
            You never own your toon it always remains the property of R2 or in my case kabam. You also agree later

            R2Games, for any reason and in its sole discretion, may decide, in good faith, that any person shall be denied access to any part of the Services or the Games. We may suspend, terminate, modify, or delete any R2Games account or game account at any time for any reason with or without any notice to you. You acknowledge that you are not entitled to a refund, in whole or in part, for any anything in connection with the terminated account.
            We agree to the TOS as part of starting an account, if you haven't taken the time to read it, and still pay cash in there is no real comeback. A law suit would die the moment the TOS is tabled.
            We all pay money into something that we never own, and can be removed for us any time at r2's whim and fancy , with no real recourse; and we all said yes to this when creating an account. I think we all need to be more carful nowadays with online services and TOS.
            Last edited by kiwifrogg; 12-21-2015, 06:12 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kiwifrogg View Post
              Problem is the Texas hold'em is not real gambling, you spend game tokens(balens) on chips. And those chips can never become balens again, and you cannot turn balens back to cash. So they dodge the law and call it simply a mini game, if there was a possible cash return, it would be a different story. This is the same when poker stars ect advertise on tv, they only advertise the "free" one that you can buy game coins for next to nothing, but never turn them back to cash. They then use that to entice some people over to the real money sites.

              That all aside


              You never own your toon it always remains the property of R2 or in my case kabam. You also agree later



              We agree to the TOS as part of starting an account, if you haven't taken the time to read it, and still pay cash in there is no real comeback. A law suit would die the moment the TOS is tabled.
              We all pay money into something that we never own, and can be removed for us any time at r2's whim and fancy , with no real recourse; and we all said yes to this when creating an account. I think we all need to be more carful nowadays with online services and TOS.
              so u say wartune poker isnt gambling actualy ur wrong their i pay cash to buy said virtual currency to by the poker chips so its classed as gambling and as the age restriction on poker across the u.s and other countries as long as u pay cash to buy virtual currency to buy poker chips they still ave to respond to gambing laws of the ages mini game or not still gambling to win rewards with cash/balens/poker chips

              and if r2 delete the account without notice while u still hold balens not bound in your account it is classed as theft and r2 have a legal right to submit a recharge back to ur credit card or bank for balens left in your account
              Last edited by Xharry005x; 12-21-2015, 10:58 AM.

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              • #8
                According to the law the EULA you sign is invalid in any game that one player sells in game items to another player for real money.
                I see even people here on the forums selling event codes for items in game for real cash.This means the EULA is invalid for this game and you would have recourse under the law for being banned
                or having items removed.The problem is a court case in a situation like this would take 8 to 10 years and the game will be dead by then.
                Look up the case of a group of people in Pennsylvania v Secondlife.Judges keep handing it off to diff jurisdictions cause they don't want to make any new case law.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Xharry005x View Post
                  so u say wartune poker isnt gambling actualy ur wrong their i pay cash to buy said virtual currency to by the poker chips so its classed as gambling and as the age restriction on poker across the u.s and other countries as long as u pay cash to buy virtual currency to buy poker chips they still ave to respond to gambing laws of the ages mini game or not still gambling to win rewards with cash/balens/poker chips

                  and if r2 delete the account without notice while u still hold balens not bound in your account it is classed as theft and r2 have a legal right to submit a recharge back to ur credit card or bank for balens left in your account
                  Actually you're wrong on both accounts there. You spend money to buy a virtual currency (balens). You then use a virtual currency to buy chips. Since it's converted twice, it's not legally the same. The Texas Hold-em game is not legally considered gambling which is why they've skirted any legal issues here with age, etc.

                  As for the balens in the account, you've agreed to a ToS that states you do not own your character and that you wavie R2/kabam/7Road/whoever of any responsibility should the character be deleted or banned. You do not have a legal right to be compensated for what is in your balen account.

                  It surprises me with this whole "ban gate" thing how many people have absolutely no idea what they agreed to when they started playing this game.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OnyxS29 View Post
                    Actually you're wrong on both accounts there. You spend money to buy a virtual currency (balens). You then use a virtual currency to buy chips. Since it's converted twice, it's not legally the same. The Texas Hold-em game is not legally considered gambling which is why they've skirted any legal issues here with age, etc.

                    As for the balens in the account, you've agreed to a ToS that states you do not own your character and that you wavie R2/kabam/7Road/whoever of any responsibility should the character be deleted or banned. You do not have a legal right to be compensated for what is in your balen account.

                    It surprises me with this whole "ban gate" thing how many people have absolutely no idea what they agreed to when they started playing this game.
                    ok u say that so if u brought balens then reversed the process to get cash back r2 bans account due to fraud etc but if u brought balens then r2 banned u before spending then is it the same fraud?


                    but for bangate -

                    well if you brought treasure inventory day 1 of release and refreshed 100 times aday then u get items removed and ban temporary which is right thing but

                    if you brought treasure inventory after they fixed it and r2/7roads then removed your items they are in the wrong and should give them back

                    but the t.o.s r2 dont even follow themselves anyway

                    they look the other way to certain things (account sharing) (boosting ones account with an alt)

                    but for t.o.s to work r2 must follow it to their own letter of the law
                    Last edited by Xharry005x; 12-21-2015, 02:58 PM.

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                    • #11
                      It is impossible for R2 NOT to follow the ToS simply because the ToS allows R2 to do ANYTHING they want without any recourse or compensation to you. End of story.

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                      • #12
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                        • #13
                          Stupid people will always be stupid
                          <Wartune>

                          Name: NightFer
                          Server: S183
                          Class: Mage
                          Level: 80
                          BR: 3mil+
                          Guild: Fallen
                          Status: Free Player 100%

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                          • #14
                            No one including R2/7Roads forces you to purchase any items or play Texas hold em on this game...therefore you do so at your own risk and your own choosing. ToS has been stated here so I will not state is again. People have no valid complaint.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Vuurl View Post
                              According to the law the EULA you sign is invalid in any game that one player sells in game items to another player for real money.
                              I see even people here on the forums selling event codes for items in game for real cash.This means the EULA is invalid for this game and you would have recourse under the law for being banned
                              or having items removed.The problem is a court case in a situation like this would take 8 to 10 years and the game will be dead by then.
                              Look up the case of a group of people in Pennsylvania v Secondlife.Judges keep handing it off to diff jurisdictions cause they don't want to make any new case law.
                              Not really what the law states. The EULA still applies here and in second life. What this case is talking about is a very small and specific area of the ToS where one person used a 3rd party auction in order to buy something the Administrators were selling at a much higher rate. A good example would be; if you were to sell me say - 1k mahra for 5 bucks, and R2 sued you because they were selling it for 10 bucks. In other words; this case is completely irrelevant. Maybe, and only maybe would it be 'illegal' for R2/7Roads to ban someone who sold the in game event codes; except that R2/7Roads don't officially condone the selling, and they also don't sell the codes officially. This is only compounded by the fact that it was a case in Pennsylvania that was settled before any official ruling.

                              Even if the circumstances were exactly the same, it still wouldn't abolish any of the remaining part of the ToS - you know, the part that says 'Proficient City Limited MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ANY ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME WITH OR WITHOUT REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE. '

                              The best and arguably only thing you could do legally is what TolapPumj said -

                              Originally posted by TolapPumj View Post

                              The most players can do is file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, which really won't accomplish anything. The only other option is your state legislator, who can pass laws prohibiting these companies from keeping all of your money in the event that they wrongfully terminate your account with the burden of proof being on the company. Nevertheless, it still won't get you your money back after the fact.
                              Last edited by Alsatia01; 12-23-2015, 12:40 AM.

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