is r2 racist or discrimating religions

[Alsatia01]

SO..you think you can't be taken to court for libelous remarks about someone? I think we will have to agree to disagree.

Being taken to a court on civil charges is not the same as a criminal court. It is not 'illegal' in that sense.

FYI in my society you can take anyone to court for anything the question is can you win and is it frivolous..libel even when done over cyberspace is a very real and precedent type of case.

Whether or not it's online is irrelevant. My point, is in libel cases, you must prove that I, knowingly said something about you that I knew at the time was false, defaming your character; and that you lost something as a result. The entire concept does not apply when we take into account that you are anonymous, and you therefore have nothing to defame; you are literally just numbers on a screen. That's all I was getting at.

I guess we might as well just drop it,anyone can look up the meaning of the word libel for themselves, so don't make me start linking to definitions of the word just to validate my analogy. btw it was an analogy it case you still don't realize that.

I didn't realize that it was an analogy, no.

By the way I am not "anonymous" because I have a user identity on this site and that identity is associated with my name and location in their database, just because you don't have privileged access to that information doesn't make it anonymous.

I'm pretty sure that's almost the definition of anonymous. It doesn't mean, no where on the face of the planet is there no information regarding you. You are anonymous on this forum unless you choose to divulge otherwise, or R2 breaks their own privacy policy. Could someone use legal means or hack their way into finding your data? Yes. That does not mean you are not anonymous.

I also see no evidence of R2 actually storing any physical locations inside their account system. They probably store IP addresses, and those could be used to vaguely determine someones location using consumer-grade software. But that's a long stretch from determining your actual location or exact identification.

[R27377783]

In many cases, the ideas or concepts that were 'stolen' from a culture via cultural appropriation..... were also stolen by that.... 'culture'.

Exactly! IF my grandpa teaches me his dance moves and I go on to perform it that might be heritage but in my view its also parallel to "cultural appropriation" just because were are linked by blood doesn't make them MY moves.

[R27377783]

Being taken to a court on civil charges is not the same as a criminal court. It is not 'illegal' in that sense.



Whether or not it's online is irrelevant. My point, is in libel cases, you must prove that I, knowingly said something about you that I knew at the time was false, defaming your character; and that you lost something as a result. The entire concept does not apply when we take into account that you are anonymous, and you therefore have nothing to defame; you are literally just numbers on a screen. That's all I was getting at.



I didn't realize that it was an analogy, no.



I'm pretty sure that's almost the definition of anonymous. It doesn't mean, no where on the face of the planet is there no information regarding you. You are anonymous on this forum unless you choose to divulge otherwise, or R2 breaks their own privacy policy. Could someone use legal means or hack their way into finding your data? Yes. That does not mean you are not anonymous.

I also see no evidence of R2 actually storing any physical locations inside their account system. They probably store IP addresses, and those could be used to vaguely determine someones location using consumer-grade software. But that's a long stretch from determining your actual location or exact identification.

ip address is enough to begin to build a case for or against someone. Hackers know they can get busted through their Ip signature so thats why they used to use masking and bouncing countermeasures like VPNs

[Alsatia01]

Exactly! IF my grandpa teaches me his dance moves and I go on to perform it that might be heritage but in my view its also parallel to "cultural appropriation" just because were are linked by blood doesn't make them MY moves.

My point, is that they aren't necessarily his moves either. They might not be his or your.... heritage.

[Alsatia01]

ip address is enough to begin to build a case for or against someone.

Yes and no.

Most IP's are dynamic. That is, every time you reset your router, you get a new one. Assuming you can determine the ISP and assuming they cooperate with you (which is highly doubtful), you have to come up with the exact dates that the person in question was using that IP, because it's likely that several dozen other people use it within a given amount of time.

There are also several ways to circumvent the entire process. So you could use several different proxies that go through several different third parties (and in many cases, your very own ISP may do this as well depending), some of which could very well be outside of your country, making the entire process that much more difficult. It's why going after hackers in Europe is such a colossal pain in the cupcake.

Gotta say... the idea that an giant internet conglomerate that prides itself on it's privacy and security is going to hand over client records for a libel case? Good luck with that one.

[Beacon of Light]

Going to quote from the alt since I am playing its character on the main tab. I probably won't be using this very much so no worries.

However, when you started that "pagan" origination talk is when the moment was ruined. Sorry if I came hard on you on such, but this is one of those times I do not need to know.

-Meikura

[R238423534]

...'Real' libel, is not a criminal act. You cannot be put in jail/prison for it. Nor could you take anyone to court. I can call you a liar all day, and there's nothing you can do about it. You are anonymous, and you can't say I defamed your character when I don't know who your character is....

there it comes the key point: no true identity, no rights protection,
even if a flame war online could have damaged a person's reputation online and/or traumatized/victimized that person in real life.
the laws and rules are still not up to date with technology yet.

[R238423534]

ip address is enough to begin to build a case for or against someone. Hackers know they can get busted through their Ip signature so thats why they used to use masking and bouncing countermeasures like VPNs

you are not anonymous to R2, but you are anonymous to forum participants. your IP is not shown to the people posting on forum.
for as long as you are not mandated to link your true identity to your forum identity, your forum ID is not your real life equivalent.

[AdaJames]

Some people should not be allowed to breed.

So, yeah. I "appropriated" your culture. So what? What are you going to do about it? Cry until the sea levels rise and drown us all? Well, good! Now we can tell the stupid greenies that it is YOU that is causing the seas to rise, not globull warming, and they can shut the hell up, and we can ALL have peace!

[Xharry005x]

Some people should not be allowed to breed.

So, yeah. I "appropriated" your culture. So what? What are you going to do about it? Cry until the sea levels rise and drown us all? Well, good! Now we can tell the stupid greenies that it is YOU that is causing the seas to rise, not globull warming, and they can shut the hell up, and we can ALL have peace!

should not be allowed to breed ??????? wats wrong adajames some 1 touch a hillbillie nerve lol

[AdaJames]

should not be allowed to breed ??????? wats wrong adajames some 1 touch a hillbillie nerve lol

What's wrong is the pollution to the human genepool.

Seriously, "appropriating someone else's culture"? WTH? Have you even considered the rammifiation of someone actually coming up with that as something to be outraged about? And YOU dare to call someone else a hillbilly? Really?

Someone get the chlorine already!

[Alsatia01]

there it comes the key point: no true identity, no rights protection,
even if a flame war online could have damaged a person's reputation online and/or traumatized/victimized that person in real life.
the laws and rules are still not up to date with technology yet.

I could definitely see defaming someones character on one of the social media sites like facebook or twitter, or any site that is predicated behind the idea that you are the online version of yourself. I could even agree that the laws and rules haven't caught up with the technology.

However, you have an uphill battle if you are going to try and convince me they were traumatized because of an internet flame war.

P.S. - I do recall seeing something somewhere, where a woman said she got post-traumatic-stress-disorder from twitter. I don't know enough about her or the story behind it to make a statement either way. I will say though, that I'm highly skeptical.

[AdaJames]

Social media is a different kettle of fish. There, you actually CAN identify yourself with things like photos, videos and personal details open for all to see.

It is a lot more difficult in a forum like this one.

[R238423534]

I could definitely see defaming someones character on one of the social media sites like facebook or twitter, or any site that is predicated behind the idea that you are the online version of yourself. I could even agree that the laws and rules haven't caught up with the technology.

However, you have an uphill battle if you are going to try and convince me they were traumatized because of an internet flame war.

P.S. - I do recall seeing something somewhere, where a woman said she got post-traumatic-stress-disorder from twitter. I don't know enough about her or the story behind it to make a statement either way. I will say though, that I'm highly skeptical.

The law applies to social sites where linkage of online identity to true identity is mandatory, such as FB, Twitter, etc.
Individuals and organizations have been actively pursuing the offenders and some cases have been deemed valid in court.

As for the 'traumatized' statement, it could apply when cyberbullying applies to that particular flame war.
But I agree it's going to be an uphill battle to prove it, and the outcome might become a new case law.

[R238423534]

Social media is a different kettle of fish. There, you actually CAN identify yourself with things like photos, videos and personal details open for all to see.

It is a lot more difficult in a forum like this one.

A forum IS a social medium. There are forums where true identity is mandated. It is libel to falsely defame another person in those places.
R2 forum, in particular, does not require revelation of true identity to other participants, so it is not legally libeling to do the same thing.
Wonderful good old laws huh? hahaha