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  • gibsondion
    started a topic Suggestion to improve Battle Ground

    Suggestion to improve Battle Ground

    Hi Developers,

    Right now Battle Grounds has greatly improved from what it was 2 years ago but still it is horribly one-sided. Now i understand the obligation to appease paying customers with non-paying customers as fodder but here's my suggestion.

    To create some semblance of satisfaction for the weaker players in Battle Grounds, allow every player to have one (1) Kamikaze opportunity.
    - i.e From beginning to end of Battle Ground each player has ONLY ONE OPPORTUNITY to perform a Kamakaze on any player of his choice that enters battle with him.
    The Kamakazi could be activated by a button in the battle screen once battle commences. Once used, the button is deactivated.

    Effects of Using Kamikaze Button:
    1. Player who uses Kamakaze receives 150/ 300 Honour for winning & the opponent loses honor (as prescribed by in-game script).
    2. Both Kamakazi User and Opponent receives a 1 minute regeneration penalty.
    3. As a Penalty Kamakazi users will not be allowed to exit game until 5 minutes have passed
    4. As a Penalty, once Kamakazi users spawn, the quarters will eject them into the fighting arena - they are not allowed to hide/ remain in home quarters until 5 minutes have passed.
    4. As a penalty, Players using Kamakazi will also remove 500 crystal gathering points from entire team effort.

    PLEASE consider this idea because it will -
    1. Help build the morale of weaker players who are constantly being 'abused' in Battle Ground.
    2. Ensures that each player is able to win at least 1 BG battle to inch closer to the gaming titles i.e Corporal, Sergeant etc
    3. Does not take away from the stronger players who i'm sure will wreak havoc after being Kamakazi'd and will take advantage of the 4 minutes that Kamakazi players are being automatically ejected from base.
    4. Adds a new dimension of gameplay to the Battle Ground

  • R238423534
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    Originally posted by AdaJames View Post
    When you mentioned that I have a 3 year old toon. Show me a S500+ that has been around for 3 years.

    See bolded part below
    sorry i didn't know where your server was until you said it in a later post.
    i do remember your posts mentioning the old times when there was no sylph, BG was not cross-server and level cap was 60. that would have to be 3+ years.
    but still, you are at least as old as your forum ID, which is still considerable ranking rewards from a much smaller competing population.

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  • AdaJames
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    Originally posted by R238423534 View Post
    Could you please screenshot my post and show me where "old servers" was mentioned or implied?
    Did "low cross-server population" and "lesser competitive" imply "old servers"?
    I hope that was not the case.

    If you can't read, then please learn to read.
    If you replied too fast, then please read again before replying.
    If you meant to change the topic, then end of discussion.
    When you mentioned that I have a 3 year old toon. Show me a S500+ that has been around for 3 years.

    See bolded part below

    Originally posted by R238423534 View Post
    the fact that you play in a timezone with fewer players than most of us doesn't mean the rest also do.
    take for example, your server could permit people under 4 million br into chaos war, while many of us in the 4.5-5M range couldn't even be considered for the waiting list (5M was the minimum for waiting list last time).
    that's something players in a more competitive cluster would not be able to have.
    if they have equal spending and equal capability as you, they would still not have received the same rewards as you, and subsequently would not have developed as good as you did.
    even if you get a massive merge now, you've already received all the ranking rewards all the way for 3+ years. that would be a gap that they can't close.

    take Z for example. his server cluster was split from mine 1-2 years ago.
    he was able to compete for the CW champion rewards for all those times, plus all the cw, titan, steel war, etc. ranking, and weekly arena & warrior marks.
    that's tons of rewards for such a long period of time.
    now after merging back into my server cluster, my arena teammates killed his team (for once only...not to be mean...and i died after the 50% mark T_T).
    but the team i was doing arena with on that day qualified for titan final for only once (because they had someone under 6.9M br on team, which was me).
    Last edited by AdaJames; 04-13-2016, 06:24 PM.

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  • gibsondion
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    Originally posted by AdaJames View Post
    And so the truth comes out. This so-called "suggestion", as I thought, has NOTHING whatsoever to do with fairness, but rather someone who wants to just give it to the big guys without needing to strategise, work or come up with solutions himself. He just wants an "I win" button installed so he can go kick someone he hates in the nuts (i.e., "whales", which at this point, I am not even sure are whales in the true sense of the word).

    R2 would do well to ignore suggestions like this because it has no basis in gameplay, just someone wanting an unfair advantage without working for it. Implement a few of these and the game will descend even further and faster into a farce than it is now.
    Lol AdaJames, I'm so dissappointed to see you make such an erroneous assumption about the initial post. I'm assuming that you are a person who understands and values a sense of fair play and can ascribe to the fact that the way how the battle ground is run now is rather One-sided. The suggestion came , not as any malicious intent to harm any player (since all players both 'whales' and non-cashers would have access to the opportunity to actually win at least one battle and feel at least a sense of accomplishment in the face of ridiculous odds that at times are heavily stacked against them.)

    I'll ignore that statement about wanting an unfair advantage because if you can't see the degree of unfairness that occurs in BG right now and can still think that this very limited suggestion could possibly harm the progress of a 'whaler' then ….lolol…i have nothing more to say…lololol.

    P.S the game hasn't fallen apart because of creative suggestions, it fell apart because creative suggestions were ignored by myopic overseers.
    The suggestion isn't set in stone and is open to tweaking and refinement for the betterment of all players.

    Thank you kindly, Alsatia01, R238423534, KS222, MrFancyPants, fam3rey and others for the insightful contributions.
    Last edited by gibsondion; 04-13-2016, 01:49 PM.

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  • R238423534
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    Originally posted by AdaJames View Post
    You are the one who brought up old servers.
    Could you please screenshot my post and show me where "old servers" was mentioned or implied?
    Did "low cross-server population" and "lesser competitive" imply "old servers"?
    I hope that was not the case.

    If you can't read, then please learn to read.
    If you replied too fast, then please read again before replying.
    If you meant to change the topic, then end of discussion.

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  • Meikura001
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    Originally posted by Xharry005x View Post
    we are cannon fodder to the r2 whales r2 will not change bg unless u buy out r2 and own r2 100% of its shares lmao
    If I had won the lottery and own R2, I would be getting better programmers and testers, and probably fix up all the mess that has been done.

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  • AdaJames
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    Originally posted by R238423534 View Post
    I don't know about server numbering and linkage to pop.ulation,
    but I do know my much weaker servers in 2 of the 4 timezones got MUCH HIGHER ranks due to a much lower pop.ulation.
    Plus you can go search posts made by the people affected by the last merge.
    You are the one who brought up old servers.

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  • R238423534
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    Originally posted by Xharry005x View Post
    we are cannon fodder to the r2 whales r2 will not change bg unless u buy out r2 and own r2 100% of its shares lmao
    harry I do have an abandoned alt on your server. i know what you are talking about.
    and...i actually got BETTER blanket rewards for doing nothing on urs than doing everything on mine.
    i just can't play in euro time because i have to work in those hours. it's sad.

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  • R238423534
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    Originally posted by AdaJames View Post
    I am in a server that is in the 500+s, so don't give me the excuse about old servers. The rest of your premise falls apart because of that one simple fact.
    I don't know about server numbering and linkage to pop.ulation,
    but I do know my much weaker servers in 2 of the 4 timezones got MUCH HIGHER ranks due to a much lower pop.ulation.
    Plus you can go search posts made by the people affected by the last merge.

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  • Xharry005x
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    we are cannon fodder to the r2 whales r2 will not change bg unless u buy out r2 and own r2 100% of its shares lmao

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  • R238423534
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    Originally posted by KS222 View Post
    ...I'd suggest all honor loss stops after your 3rd death.
    they should really just eliminate honor loss altogether.
    i lost -400 for every time i got killed (the side effect of being an old weak player).
    and my old guild was not strong, so only 400 honor per guild battle.
    if i got killed more than 3 times per week, i couldn't even offset the honor loss by the honor gain from GB.
    right now MOST whales in my cluster are YOUNGER than me.
    they would really want to hunt me for +400 honor per kill if i run out of spawn.
    and i'm not alone. i'm just one of the ordinary in here. we share the same pains.

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  • AdaJames
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    Originally posted by R238423534 View Post
    the fact that you play in a timezone with fewer players than most of us doesn't mean the rest also do.
    take for example, your server could permit people under 4 million br into chaos war, while many of us in the 4.5-5M range couldn't even be considered for the waiting list (5M was the minimum for waiting list last time).
    that's something players in a more competitive cluster would not be able to have.
    if they have equal spending and equal capability as you, they would still not have received the same rewards as you, and subsequently would not have developed as good as you did.
    even if you get a massive merge now, you've already received all the ranking rewards all the way for 3+ years. that would be a gap that they can't close.

    take Z for example. his server cluster was split from mine 1-2 years ago.
    he was able to compete for the CW champion rewards for all those times, plus all the cw, titan, steel war, etc. ranking, and weekly arena & warrior marks.
    that's tons of rewards for such a long period of time.
    now after merging back into my server cluster, my arena teammates killed his team (for once only...not to be mean...and i died after the 50% mark T_T).
    but the team i was doing arena with on that day qualified for titan final for only once (because they had someone under 6.9M br on team, which was me).
    I am in a server that is in the 500+s, so don't give me the excuse about old servers. The rest of your premise falls apart because of that one simple fact.

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  • R238423534
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    Originally posted by KS222 View Post
    Honor loss becomes insignificant for big players at a certain point. Many of those killing the same handful of players over and over would not be phased much by honor loss unless it was really over the top (such as taking away an entire honor rank). How about the opposite of dryads? Kill same person more than 3 times and you lose stats (like dryads, its temporary) for each time you kill that player (or players if its more than one person you're spam killing). Lose a fight and your stats are back to normal.
    It's not going to help either way.
    The minimum BR in top 100 cross-server in my cluster is 8.4M. Max is like some 16-17M+ (depends on what eudy he has on overnight).
    An "average" player (free players and VIP-only players) in here is only some 3-5M BR (5-6M are present, but rare). That's less than half of the top guys.
    Max dryad is like...50% or 100% all-stats boost maybe? So even maxed dryad they probably still can't even kill the big guys' eudy.
    Negating the dryad effect and imposing it on the big guys, it means we would have to let them get some 10-20 kills before someone stands a chance against their eudy.

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  • R238423534
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    Originally posted by AdaJames View Post
    That is bullcrap. I don't spend on my toon other than VIP, and I can do BG just fine. That is, if I even bother to.

    The ONLY reason I go there these days is to find and punish members of guilds that attack my guild. That is when I go to town on them and make them cry while letting them know in exquisite detail why I am doing it.
    the fact that you play in a timezone with fewer players than most of us doesn't mean the rest also do.
    take for example, your server could permit people under 4 million br into chaos war, while many of us in the 4.5-5M range couldn't even be considered for the waiting list (5M was the minimum for waiting list last time).
    that's something players in a more competitive cluster would not be able to have.
    if they have equal spending and equal capability as you, they would still not have received the same rewards as you, and subsequently would not have developed as good as you did.
    even if you get a massive merge now, you've already received all the ranking rewards all the way for 3+ years. that would be a gap that they can't close.

    take Z for example. his server cluster was split from mine 1-2 years ago.
    he was able to compete for the CW champion rewards for all those times, plus all the cw, titan, steel war, etc. ranking, and weekly arena & warrior marks.
    that's tons of rewards for such a long period of time.
    now after merging back into my server cluster, my arena teammates killed his team (for once only...not to be mean...and i died after the 50% mark T_T).
    but the team i was doing arena with on that day qualified for titan final for only once (because they had someone under 6.9M br on team, which was me).

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  • AdaJames
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    Originally posted by KS222 View Post
    Honor loss becomes insignificant for big players at a certain point. Many of those killing the same handful of players over and over would not be phased much by honor loss unless it was really over the top (such as taking away an entire honor rank). How about the opposite of dryads? Kill same person more than 3 times and you lose stats (like dryads, its temporary) for each time you kill that player (or players if its more than one person you're spam killing). Lose a fight and your stats are back to normal.
    The opponent gaining dryad has the same effect as you losing stats. Think about it for a second. The only difference might be the rate of closure.

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