VIP tokens and the "Improved" VIP Wheel

[CondorHero]

In all honesty, if we get anything more than 500k (such as if we get a level 7 gem), imagine the uproar the non-casher players would make.

For $8/month, 500k every 2 days is awesome.

[R23201565]

They should just let us spin it 12 times instead of 8. Keep the tokens scaling up, takes 36 to spin 8 times, make it 50 tokens and 12 spins. I don't expect to get a lvl 7 gem Every time i spin it but i've been spinning it for 5 months and haven't won ANYTHING but the junk. Only thing on there now worth winning is the 500k, already got a stack of a hundred skeleton keys. Once in a while ya get a shadow stone which is nice considering the drop rate on these sucks now too, takes a week to complete the "daily" quest for them. Same with soul crystals, the drop rate is horrible now, i do my 3 runs sometimes i'm lucky to have 4 or 5. Used to end up with up to 20 in 5 runs.

[R24365771]

What do you guys want? I mean you get the free cool downs, you get the +50%? exp gain, you get stuff off the wheel and if 15 million extra gold every month is "junk" well throw some junk my way. How much would it cost to buy a level 6 or 7 gem? That is 256 level 2s for a level 6 gem or close to $210 which is 2 1/2 years of VIP payments, and a level 7 would be four times as much. Now consider you are paying $8 a month. Does it make sense they would drop in all but extremely rare cases? I mean if it is so bad isnt the obvious solution to cancel VIP membership?

People talk about the f2p players whining.

[Laonikis]

totally agree with the initial post.... I ALWAYS get the 20k gold first, NEVER gotten anything of real value, ONLY ONCE got the 500k before the last roll...

vip, in general, not just the wheel, should give more.... this way more ppl would be vip's

[luckyboylb]

Actually, the prize is known as soon as you press Start. What is more boring is that, it has to turn 4 times before you get it.

[SuperMimi]

I think lvl 6 gems has .5% chance of getting it in last attempt on wheel.. While lvl 6 gems has i think 1% chance of getting it in 7 attempt.. In short , its like playing on a lottery ticket.. 1 in a million chance of having lvl 6-7 gems.. Just try and try , until you get lvl 6-7 gems..

[oSKYo]

This is the 39th post on the VIP wheel.

First, you buy VIP not mainly because of the wheel, but because of the other benefits like +exp gain and weekly gift packs.
The VIP wheel is just a BONUS for being a VIP. If you know that, then you can stop whining about it.

You get a definite 500k from spinning the wheel using your full 36 tokens once every 3 days. And that's already a good bonus for you (considering you pay only $8/month, and not $800/month).

Finally, do you expect to get a level 7 gem (which is worth about $800) every time?

Personally, I think CondorHero should be removed from moderating this subject and or this forum altogether. He is obviously biased, and in no way conveying the concerns, and feedback people have regarding the VIP Wheel to the developers. Instead, he is insulting and rude.

For a moderator to tell people giving feedback to 'stop whining about it and be happy' really makes me wonder, what kind of a company am I supporting? Moderators should be neutral and keep their personal opinions to themselves. If mass amounts of people are providing the same feedback, this should be a 'red flag' that something may actually be wrong, not just looked at as a bunch of whiny people complaining.

SODAPOP

[CondorHero]

Personally, I think CondorHero should be removed from moderating this subject. He is obviously biased, and in no way conveying the concerns, and feedback people have regarding the VIP Wheel to the developers. Instead, he is insulting and rude.

For a moderator to tell people giving feedback to 'stop whining about it and be happy' really makes me wonder, what kind of a company am I supporting? Moderators should be neutral and keep their personal opinions to themselves. If mass amounts of people are providing the same feedback, this should be a 'red flag' that something may actually be wrong, not just looked at as a bunch of whiny people complaining.

SODAPOP

This post was made before I became moderator one week ago.

In any case, feel free to file a ticket at tickets.r2games.com register your concerns about me about being a forum moderator. Also, if you think I should be removed, please include in your ticket as well.

[Rex_Typhoon]

I'd like to chime in here a bit.

For those who commented about the "Cashers" whining - think about the fact that non-cashers gain VIP tokens from quests and Duels and can save them up for one of those rare-moments when they get a 2 Hour VIP Window. One of my guild mates did this - saved up 5 full spins worth of tokens and went to town. Granted, there was a lot of gold earned, but why not increase the odds of a higher level item for when the non-cashers get access to the wheel?

Condor, I get your point, but you're telling people who spend $8 a month on their VIP status and POSSIBLY MORE on Balens (don't forget this possibility) to ease up because the VIP Wheel is more rigged than a Carnie Game? Your point is made; I respectfully disagree with it however.

Keep in mind that cashers and non-cashers alike can benefit from the VIP Wheel (cashers obviously far more frequently), but as the OP noted, why even put stuff in there that is impossible to obtain as it is seriously (mathematically) weighted against getting? I constantly recycle the selection to ensure I get the best "****" as I see it - but going in order of 20K Gold, Minor Health Potion, L3 Luck Stone, 20K Daru, 60K Gold, L4 Luck Stone, Single Shadow Crystal ... it is predictable and sadly so. I'd rather just have VIP Tokens as an Exchange Item where I can turn it in and get a random box of stuff to be honest.

Malfaedor
Server 1 - Ibalize
Guild: MntyPython

[CondorHero]

I'd like to chime in here a bit.

For those who commented about the "Cashers" whining - think about the fact that non-cashers gain VIP tokens from quests and Duels and can save them up for one of those rare-moments when they get a 2 Hour VIP Window. One of my guild mates did this - saved up 5 full spins worth of tokens and went to town. Granted, there was a lot of gold earned, but why not increase the odds of a higher level item for when the non-cashers get access to the wheel?

Condor, I get your point, but you're telling people who spend $8 a month on their VIP status and POSSIBLY MORE on Balens (don't forget this possibility) to ease up because the VIP Wheel is more rigged than a Carnie Game? Your point is made; I respectfully disagree with it however.

Keep in mind that cashers and non-cashers alike can benefit from the VIP Wheel (cashers obviously far more frequently), but as the OP noted, why even put stuff in there that is impossible to obtain as it is seriously (mathematically) weighted against getting? I constantly recycle the selection to ensure I get the best "****" as I see it - but going in order of 20K Gold, Minor Health Potion, L3 Luck Stone, 20K Daru, 60K Gold, L4 Luck Stone, Single Shadow Crystal ... it is predictable and sadly so. I'd rather just have VIP Tokens as an Exchange Item where I can turn it in and get a random box of stuff to be honest.

Malfaedor
Server 1 - Ibalize
Guild: MntyPython

Nice post. I guess this is the type of posts which draw attention to it due to the amount of thoughtfulness being put into crafting it. I personally enjoy reading this post.

[R23190140]

I feel the wheel should be set to be as random as any other variable in any other game. there is a way to set an odds variable on high lvl items in the programming and 1:10000000000 isnt a very good odd. I look at it this way... I pay real money to play a fantasy(Fake) game and spin a wheel to get fantasy(fake) items increase my fantasy(fake) equipment on my fantasy(fake) character. If i'm gonna spend REAL money to get fake stuff that really doesnt cost ANY money for the developers to give away then atleast give me a fair chance to get those Fake items with my Real money. Everyone knows the wheel is set at an almost impossible odds variable to get anything good so why bother using it. Set it up with a fair chance to win those high lvl items and make tokens available to buy and i bet the game makers would make more money on selling tokens then they do on the items them selves.

[dwmedia]

I think them can remove all itmes some is impossibol get, all itmes have chance so if man open do 8 spin in one run 50 000 time you get same itmes 50 000 times.
Otherk itmes is only for show that them exitence in this game but is impossibol to get frome VIP.

VIP tooken is only **** Guild spins give me allways bettre that VIP do.

I do today 8 spiin in row * 8 times and 500k coming 8 in time in spin 7 allways spin 7 never wrong about that.

[Serrin]

lok check my album.. two screen shots collected so far with so many level 7 and level 6 gems and still nothing to show for it. But it's like a train wreck, I can't stop looking then I get the itch and have to spin, even knowing I will not get anything resembling something gemlike but I have to spin... I'm a VIPwheel addict.

[WildestDream]

I'd like to chime in here a bit.

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Condor, I get your point, but you're telling people who spend $8 a month on their VIP status and POSSIBLY MORE on Balens (don't forget this possibility) to ease up because the VIP Wheel is more rigged than a Carnie Game? Your point is made; I respectfully disagree with it however.

Keep in mind that cashers and non-cashers alike can benefit from the VIP Wheel (cashers obviously far more frequently), but as the OP noted, why even put stuff in there that is impossible to obtain as it is seriously (mathematically) weighted against getting? I constantly recycle the selection to ensure I get the best "****" as I see it - but going in order of 20K Gold, Minor Health Potion, L3 Luck Stone, 20K Daru, 60K Gold, L4 Luck Stone, Single Shadow Crystal ... it is predictable and sadly so.
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CondorHero,
please consider that the people who express here their concerns about the VIP Wheel are paying customers - and therefore do have consumer rights.
Your comment

And that's already a good bonus for you (considering you pay only $8/month, and not $800/month).

is highly inappropriate.
8 USD is nowhere near an "ONLY", this amount might be a high percentage of many your customer's pocket money.

I'm 40+ and know personally nobody -with sane mind- who would pay your stated 800 USD per month for an online game!
I would have to answer some serious questions from my wife, if I'd spend even 50 USD/month for this online game.

Let's call a spade a spade:

The VIP Wheel is part of the VIP benefits,
those benefits are listed on the VIP page and I feel R2 does not fully honor their contractual obligation to me as paying customer,
especially as R2 are misleading the customer by placing 3-6 "desirable" items like Lvl 6/7 Gems onto their VIP Wheel of Fortune, which are not won.

"R2's Shameful Wheel of Prediction"
Regardless whatever R2 puts on this VIP wheel:

First 4 Spins are always only from following items:
20K Gold, Minor Health Potion, L3 Luck Stone, 20K Daru
Spins 5 and 6 are:
60K Gold, L4 Luck Stone, Single Shadow Crystal, Lowest Plant Seed (if multiple), Large Health Potion, Training Whip

If Spin 7 is the 500K Gold, then Spin 8 will be 5 Skeleton Keys,
if Plant Seed or Lvl 9 Luck Stone is Spin 7, then Spin 8 will give 500K Gold.

This was tested by multiple people during the last 2 month on S73, I know nobody who ever received a Gem.

Sad, but true.

[Kitwritten]

I can vouch for one person posting how they got a level 7 gem from the vip wheel in the last 2 mouths, and they posted with a screenshot

considering the bonuses that the viper do get from the wheel, its no wonder that vipers can outdo some cashers... and pound for pound, Vipers get looked after better than cashers or non cashers..... so the idea that the VIP wheel owes us, is not something I buy into..... winning the level 6/7 gems is a privilege, not a right