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  • Fix your damn classes - or at least re-balance them so everyone has a chance

    I was recommended this game by a friend just before Christmas, and I've enjoyed many aspects of it - even going as far as forming a guild - and I was all set to purchase some Balens to see how they would improve the game. At that point another player advised me to scrub my character and start again from scratch.

    The problem? I had chosen to be a warrior - and as every player now knows, that's tantamount to calling yourself a victim or sacrificial pawn.

    Here's the issue. Archers and mages can attack faster, hit harder, and absorb almost as much physical damage as a warrior of the same level - and that's just the base statistics. Once you add all the extra bits those two classes become stupidly - almost unfairly - powerful.

    So here's the question for the developers. Are you going to fix this at some point, or do you expect people to continue playing the game when they know their preferred class has no chance of winning?

    At this point I'm still willing to play the game, but until the balance is fixed I won't be parting with my hard-earned cash to see what Balens can do for me.

  • CondorHero
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    There is one thread which says archer sucks.
    This thread says knight sucks.

    So hey go and play a mage.

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  • akirayama0ka
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    Originally posted by R21577189 View Post
    Yes I agree, there's no weak class, only weak players. I never used balens to play and at level 25+ i can kill almost all easily.
    first of all for constructive talking need open all available skills, when u have 2 skills n talking about balance its really wrong

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  • R2452661
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    First of all, start comparing same tier of players. As in non-casher with non-casher and so on. Do that and then you'll see the unbalance factor. As for bad casher players, there's only few of them really. Cash will always overcome skill, unless the casher is a complete idiot.

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  • R25664847
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    Notes: this guys is only level 28, please ignore what he said

    Originally posted by DaedalusLydax View Post
    I'm a level 28 knight, and if I play my skills right, and gem right, even with sup-par gear, I can still beat the other classes, and PvE is still easy, and it seems to just get easier and easier. If you're complaining about a class being unbalanced, you're playing it wrong. And everyone complaining, I'm sure you'd say your class is the weakest, go play another, find out it's weak too, complain about how THAT one is the weakest, go to the third, find out it's, surprise surprise, still weak, and complain how now THAT one is the weakest because you're playing it. It's not the class that's weak, it's the player and their strategy. Find out how to play it better, and stop saying they're unbalanced.

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  • R27603373
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    Originally posted by DaedalusLydax View Post
    I'm a level 28 knight, and if I play my skills right, and gem right, even with sup-par gear, I can still beat the other classes, and PvE is still easy, and it seems to just get easier and easier. If you're complaining about a class being unbalanced, you're playing it wrong. And everyone complaining, I'm sure you'd say your class is the weakest, go play another, find out it's weak too, complain about how THAT one is the weakest, go to the third, find out it's, surprise surprise, still weak, and complain how now THAT one is the weakest because you're playing it. It's not the class that's weak, it's the player and their strategy. Find out how to play it better, and stop saying they're unbalanced.
    I agree. for any class to be good you have to know how to play. I know how frustrating it is to be defeated by knights and archers-i've lost against them many times but i don't think they're overpowered; i think maybe they're either higher lvl, have a better build, or both. I simply look at my own stats and ask how i can build my character better.

    Class: Mage

    Character: Neyla

    Realm S109 Cursed Spring

    Guild: LIKEABo

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  • R21577189
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    Originally posted by DaedalusLydax View Post
    I'm a level 28 knight, and if I play my skills right, and gem right, even with sup-par gear, I can still beat the other classes, and PvE is still easy, and it seems to just get easier and easier. If you're complaining about a class being unbalanced, you're playing it wrong. And everyone complaining, I'm sure you'd say your class is the weakest, go play another, find out it's weak too, complain about how THAT one is the weakest, go to the third, find out it's, surprise surprise, still weak, and complain how now THAT one is the weakest because you're playing it. It's not the class that's weak, it's the player and their strategy. Find out how to play it better, and stop saying they're unbalanced.
    Yes I agree, there's no weak class, only weak players. I never used balens to play and at level 25+ i can kill almost all easily.

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  • DaedalusLydax
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    I'm a level 28 knight, and if I play my skills right, and gem right, even with sup-par gear, I can still beat the other classes, and PvE is still easy, and it seems to just get easier and easier. If you're complaining about a class being unbalanced, you're playing it wrong. And everyone complaining, I'm sure you'd say your class is the weakest, go play another, find out it's weak too, complain about how THAT one is the weakest, go to the third, find out it's, surprise surprise, still weak, and complain how now THAT one is the weakest because you're playing it. It's not the class that's weak, it's the player and their strategy. Find out how to play it better, and stop saying they're unbalanced.

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  • R21577189
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    Originally posted by Archaeon75 View Post
    I've read through all of this thread and a lot of people are making some very good points, but it all leaves me with one simple question.

    Why the hell do I have to wait for 55 damn levels before I can consistently hold my own in the arena and battlefield?

    Many of you seem to have forgotten just how frustrating it is to get creamed every time you run into an archer or mage on the battlefield or in the arena - especially when you're a new or lower level player.

    Add to that the fact that you have to spend gold, vouchers, balen and real money like water just to keep up in areas like the catacombs and world boss.

    Give those facts, I'm curious how anyone can say the classes aren't unbalanced. I've changed my setup several times using guides that I've found on the best way to tank or DPS my knight, but it's still not enough when I go up against an archer or a mage of equal level - and before you ask, I'm at level 44. I've spent a month getting my character to that level - and much of that month has been frustrating when you simply cannot fight against the other classes on an equal footing.

    The fact that archers get more gold and mages get more gems only serves to compound the issue.

    I ask again - why the hell do I have to wait until I hit level 55?

    Oh, and does anyone know what percentage of people who quit the game within their first month are warriors? That would make an interesting statisic to add to this discussion - especially since several high level players and cashers on this thread have assumed that any criticism of the game is "whining".
    I am sorry you may be wrong,
    with lvl 55 pvp set ,

    Knight with 10k patk 6.5k mdef hp 34k
    Mage with 10k patk 6.5k pdef hp 28k

    Guess who wins? When both are lvl 55. Both without runes.

    Yes poor knight loses.

    Knight good vs average archers when pdef 10k

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  • Archaeon75
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    I've read through all of this thread and a lot of people are making some very good points, but it all leaves me with one simple question.

    Why the hell do I have to wait for 55 damn levels before I can consistently hold my own in the arena and battlefield?

    Many of you seem to have forgotten just how frustrating it is to get creamed every time you run into an archer or mage on the battlefield or in the arena - especially when you're a new or lower level player.

    Add to that the fact that you have to spend gold, vouchers, balen and real money like water just to keep up in areas like the catacombs and world boss.

    Give those facts, I'm curious how anyone can say the classes aren't unbalanced. I've changed my setup several times using guides that I've found on the best way to tank or DPS my knight, but it's still not enough when I go up against an archer or a mage of equal level - and before you ask, I'm at level 44. I've spent a month getting my character to that level - and much of that month has been frustrating when you simply cannot fight against the other classes on an equal footing.

    The fact that archers get more gold and mages get more gems only serves to compound the issue.

    I ask again - why the hell do I have to wait until I hit level 55?

    Oh, and does anyone know what percentage of people who quit the game within their first month are warriors? That would make an interesting statisic to add to this discussion - especially since several high level players and cashers on this thread have assumed that any criticism of the game is "whining".

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  • Ashanie
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    another knight sucks post.we are needed for dgns maybe even 2 knights 1 archer 1mage does best to me..we do well in 3vs3 arena since good hp and archers cant kill us that easy and we the only class that can slap a mage senseless before he/she use meteror and up the final dmg to kill your team mates,we have block we have shield its not that bad for us.i do see it as archers kill mages,mages kill average,low knights,good hybrid knights kill archers np and with block and some dmg kill mages aswell cause as it is for me 11kptak 8kmdef i can kill a mage with 13kmtak 8kpdef cause in bg i know if i kill their troops and IM still at half hp even if their full I WINNNN level 5 uslasher =150+25% qte=175%dmg+22% from knight crusdae medal+25% from disable crit astro i can do more dmg with a uslasher than pretty much any other class normal skill maybe deep freeze out dmg if it crits.just build yout knight right you wont fail atm im a bit back cause i was m.i.a but i have 4 pdef gems in my sockets only 10kpdef but every 200 pdef i gain im removing a gem then adding 4 level 6 block gems so block and good hp and reduce dmg astro+reduce dmg from talents+tenacity lol mages going to have to run...its a knights playground end game only mages can stop us...if we let them

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  • R22318125
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    Knights get crazy dodge heals, nothing to make you feel more insignificant to hit a knight for 1500 and they dodge heal for 1750. Mages can spam AOE after AOE after AOE even if you stack mdef to 10k they are still hitting you for 4k.

    Archers should get more Pdef ignore or at least Delphic Sniper should ignore defenses. When I think sniper I don't think they are aiming for the most armored spot on a person and its even worse when you get the 80 rage after not getting a single crit for 10 turns and charge up Delphic Sniper...it only hits for 5-6k. Archers need the buff

    If not Delphic Sniper, how about something more obscure that ignores pdef like poison arrow. So far its the most worthless ability in the game since its countered by pdef so it only does 60 damage with 3 points and 13k patk.
    Last edited by R22318125; 01-08-2013, 07:11 PM.

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  • Barbarossa
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    Originally posted by akirayama0ka View Post
    140% in summary not 2 hits, n look % of archer multishot (dont forget that is always crit)

    no debate, mages sux - they just PVE bots or undressed ppl killa, if mage killed u, u poor stats man just remember it

    when talents comin, only idiot or noob will choose mage

    90% will knights


    yap im whine, n i wanna beat this yeallow chinese face wich imagine this class balances
    Ok you obviously didn't pay any attention to the post that I replied to. THEY (not I) THEY asked about why comparable stats the knight hits harder than the mage NOT ME. You understand not me? I merely replied. I didn't say anything about one class sucking over another did I? I merely answered another player's post. Don't troll me.

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  • Oxykotton
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    Originally posted by Ruise View Post
    Then you won't get any MP done when everyone chose knight or getting noob mage to do the healing job... mean; absolutely die and can't clear any MP past lvl 45.

    But yeah, Im kinda dissapointed with mage tallent, almost all of it goes for healing skill. What are we? Special class as cleric for MP only? =="
    Sorta makes sense though. Mages are squishy and needs more ways to protect themselves in battle. You guys get a shield as well which imo is really good for your class.

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  • Ruise
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    Originally posted by akirayama0ka View Post
    140% in summary not 2 hits, n look % of archer multishot (dont forget that is always crit)

    no debate, mages sux - they just PVE bots or undressed ppl killa, if mage killed u, u poor stats man just remember it

    when talents comin, only idiot or noob will choose mage

    90% will knights


    yap im whine, n i wanna beat this yeallow chinese face wich imagine this class balances
    Then you won't get any MP done when everyone chose knight or getting noob mage to do the healing job... mean; absolutely die and can't clear any MP past lvl 45.

    But yeah, Im kinda dissapointed with mage tallent, almost all of it goes for healing skill. What are we? Special class as cleric for MP only? =="

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