Eudaemon Domain registration times and battle rating match ups

[R290579301]

Eud domain is a complete joke now and more of a waste of my time. I try my best to register for this event, but the reg. times are far too strict in my humble opinion. Why have they chosen to do this? There is a 6 hour window to register for it and I find that extremely difficult to do. When I do manage to do so many times I am facing an opponent who is much stronger than I am! In fact I was facing one of the top 5 br opponents last week!!! So how are the br match ups figured out? It doesn't appear as if there are match ups at all! When it first started I was matched against folks in my br range and i did quite well! Now, when I do manage to participate in it I am facing huge br players (although their posted br is slightly higher than mine) and I am defeated rather quickly. I have heard that many people drop all their sylphs and eudaemons prior to registration to lower their br so that they can get better rewards, a process known as "sandbagging". What is being done to change this so that this "new and improved" replacement for eud arenas can be fair for all?

[MemoryLane]

I know what you meant, but others in this thread are thinking that because one is selfish and the other selfless, that the selfish one should be met with harsh punishments. I was trying to point out that it does not matter from a punishment standpoint whether it was helpful or not, it's not a cheat in either regard. And since the topic is pretty well covered, we need to move on to the actual suggestion - if the devs don't make a change to Eud Dom so that the giants can't beat up the tiny people, what are some other things we can suggest that would make staying in their own league a better option for them?

[Buuurman]

It's okay if it positively impacts you, but not okay if it negatively impacts you, even though it's the same exact mechanic being used in both situations. You got killed by someone who stripped down, but then someone stripped down so you could kill them. In either situation, the act of stripping down was done with the intent to alter a fight, and that's either okay to do, or it's not okay. It can't be both.

Altho Kanusti and you have a valid point with that, stripping in both cases do serve a diffrent purpose. In the case of ED the purpose is malicious and in the case of Rift it is for the benefit of all. And to add one more thing to that, strong players do have a choice to strip so others can beat them up. In ED you as a player do not have that choice since you encounter an impossible to beat opponent who gets the rewards leaving you with empty hands.

In my opinion it is another ballgame because time-rifts isn't part of this problem. Calling people whiners because they encounter a serious problem in ED is just outragious. That stripping is possible in both parts of the game doesn't make stripping 'good'. It is a part of the game and sadly it is one wich makes players who want to try their best in an event loose without having a fair chance. That was what i ment.

[MemoryLane]

That's another ballgame and you know that. In the case of Time Rifs people strip because they know that if they don't, Time Rifs become impossible to do so that is what you can call "helping out". This topic is about the opposite. Funny that you call players "whiners" but you are talking about a whole diffrent situation. In this case it is about players who only help themselves by stripping for signing up so they can beat the **** out of smaller players. Don't you see that diffrence or was your only plan to step in and insult sportive players?

This isn't directed at you, just touching on the point being made.

It's okay if it positively impacts you, but not okay if it negatively impacts you, even though it's the same exact mechanic being used in both situations. You got killed by someone who stripped down, but then someone stripped down so you could kill them. In either situation, the act of stripping down was done with the intent to alter a fight, and that's either okay to do, or it's not okay. It can't be both.

Still not against any rules, regardless. As the developer is not classifying the act of stripping down to alter a fight as a cheat on the grounds that the system is functioning properly, doing so cannot result in any sort of punishment. At best, the absolute most that would come of a report against other players who do strip down to alter a fight would be met with a promise to forward the concerns to the developer.

We probably need to come away from the complaints about it not being fair, as that's just going to escalate hostility between players on both sides of this equation. Most things in this game aren't fair, and they aren't meant to be. The intent of this event was that for those who have Willpowers to be in the Willpower section, so that they could earn Willpower related rewards. Instead, what we see is people with several Willpowers who still need normal Eud materials, and probably lots of them, hence needing to clean sweep their brackets, resulting in stripping down to make that happen, else they will have to fight someone they might lose against.

Even with the proposed suggestion, there will still be ways for super strong players to game the system to get their wins against people they will certainly win against. Perhaps the issue isn't who they are fighting, but why they are fighting in that bracket. Maybe the suggestion needs to be altered so that both normal Eud rewards and Willpower rewards are given from the Willpower brackets? Would that be enough to keep the giants away from the tiny people?

[kanusti]

That's another ballgame and you know that. In the case of Time Rifs people strip because they know that if they don't, Time Rifs become impossible to do so that is what you can call "helping out". This topic is about the opposite. Funny that you call players "whiners" but you are talking about a whole diffrent situation. In this case it is about players who only help themselves by stripping for signing up so they can beat the **** out of smaller players. Don't you see that diffrence or was your only plan to step in and insult sportive players?

sry no diffrences the player who strip in ther can not attack them self, and stil ther doit to get better rewards them self to so same thing only diffrences for whinners is here ther get rewards to but no diffrences to me.

[Buuurman]

wonder why i dont se complians about players start to strip for time rifes or it is becuse all whines get rewards ther and then it is ok explorid system?

That's another ballgame and you know that. In the case of Time Rifs people strip because they know that if they don't, Time Rifs become impossible to do so that is what you can call "helping out". This topic is about the opposite. Funny that you call players "whiners" but you are talking about a whole diffrent situation. In this case it is about players who only help themselves by stripping for signing up so they can beat the **** out of smaller players. Don't you see that diffrence or was your only plan to step in and insult sportive players?

[tsukilucas]

If you are so lazy r2 we can give you pictures with people who use exploits in game and you will just warn/ban them.

[kanusti]

wonder why i dont se complians about players start to strip for time rifes or it is becuse all whines get rewards ther and then it is ok explorid system?

[Meikura001]

This is not being deemed a bug or an exploit, and therefore anyone doing it is not abusing a bug or an exploit.

MemoryLane As much as I am very appreciative of you in trying to relay info from the developers, I pretty much want to hear it from the horse's mouth so I can tell them on how I feel about their game and the stunts that were pulled; they don't have the guts to come forth, and it would surprise me if they did; probably will surprise everyone else as well.

However, if a group (well a mass majority in the game) of players can smell an "exploit" in the works and the high tech programmers could not, then obviously there's a problem.

[Aewenalean]

Well, since that's the way it is and we leave the loopholes open, we're all going to cheat. forgive you do not call it cheating but use a "strategy" that 90% of the players and especially low BR players do not approve. R2 will really disgust players who do not have at least the 20 million br needed to win or evolve but to keep your head out of the water There is nothing for you Memory Lane that you just recite the catechism pronounced by the designers, but it's hard to digest.

Obidobi, you have the right to continue to display 11 million BR. For me you're not a fault exploiter, but a cheater and especially a bad players not fairplay at all. A word of warning hello, because it is for all those who use this flaw in the non respect of the players

[MemoryLane]

It would seem to be MemeoryLane that your suggestion, while sounding perfect would be to hard to implement. There does appear to be some type of hidden base br stat somewhere. As the euda domain registration when fully strip, does not list your base br as the br in the euda domain (in euda domain panel ts shown bit higher). It would make more sense to me for teh game to just use this base stat for the matching. Should be alot easier to implement, wont matter then if people strip or not and these values must already be held somewhere (as euda domain doesnt take your exact BR value on registering).

Wonder what's being added in there.. My BR doesn't change in the Eud Dom panel. It wouldn't be that difficult - it's the same principle as in Sylph Arena. The BR listed is that of the Sylphs you are actually fighting, as it should be since only the Sylphs fight. Same thing should occur in Eud Dom, since it's just the Euds fighting. The issue of super large people using their strongest Eud/WP and wiping out whole parties of weaker players will still remain, but even that seems a bit more fair than all of the giants coming down to the tiny people level.

For a few days, those indelicate players who take others for morons should be banished. I just experienced it again. A player of 11 million Br who is left with 3 willies and not weaker. I made screens. The player I questioned did not see fit to answer me of course. He adds the bad education the lack of fairplay to cheating. Are you finally going to do something? Or should we spread the screen here with cheats in plain view?

No, to either. This is not being deemed a bug or an exploit, and therefore anyone doing it is not abusing a bug or an exploit. People simply figured out a mechanic in the game and are employing a strategy to win, and it has been a strategy used in many areas of the game since it's creation.

[Aewenalean]

For a few days, those indelicate players who take others for morons should be banished. I just experienced it again. A player of 11 million Br who is left with 3 willies and not weaker. I made screens. The player I questioned did not see fit to answer me of course. He adds the bad education the lack of fairplay to cheating. Are you finally going to do something? Or should we spread the screen here with cheats in plain view?

[R224384998]

It would seem to be MemeoryLane that your suggestion, while sounding perfect would be to hard to implement. There does appear to be some type of hidden base br stat somewhere. As the euda domain registration when fully strip, does not list your base br as the br in the euda domain (in euda domain panel ts shown bit higher). It would make more sense to me for teh game to just use this base stat for the matching. Should be alot easier to implement, wont matter then if people strip or not and these values must already be held somewhere (as euda domain doesnt take your exact BR value on registering).

[MemoryLane]

Of course! Everything is community fault. R2 are doing everything to make this game better! You know... always when i see moderators or admins answers i want to make screens and send to mmorpg website to share with world what a great team is working for r2 company...

It's very rare when you see me point at the community for being at fault, so I'm not sure where you got 'everything' from. The matching system is only broken because the players strip down so they have a better chance of being first place, with a wager for first place. We are asking the devs to fix something that isn't actually broken because the players are finding ways around a fair system to make it as unfair as possible for everyone else. But I suppose it is the devs' fault for not anticipating that the community would break a perfectly fine matching system.

[Meikura001]

if they gonna ban all who strip for eudeamon registration then the servers will be empty

R22289894 I didn't write the rules for such, but it would fall under such; if servers are going to empty, at least there will be those who will be placed accordingly or make it to 1st or 2nd with each day, LOL.

Only simple and fair solution is to don't let players register to domain without eudaemons. It will solve all problems with br manipulators.

tsukilucas That will probably solve one half of the problem. Players can still de-equip items as well as using a cheap Eud (without any upgraded equipment/diamonds) to register which can still pose a problem for the rest of us who registered fairly into the fight. I am hoping with what MemoryLane has said (and supported some of our earlier suggestions about this feature) that the devs will pull their heads together to design a better way to register and be matched. Having registration lock in the registered eudaemon team will be the start in the right direction. This is full-proof as the player cannot change the team members after they've registered (until the end of the event). I am also hoping they won't be upgraded during this time (as the player will get the message saying the eud cannot be upgraded until they've taken it out from the Eud Domain team) so gives everyone else a chance to compete in a fair manner.

I know there's going to be crybabies out there saying it is a pain to go into Eud Domain to remove a Eud/Willpower just to upgrade, but hey, blame the exploiters for making this happen as well as the devs who allowed such to happen.

Of course! Everything is community fault. R2 are doing everything to make this game better! You know... always when i see moderators or admins answers i want to make screens and send to mmorpg website to share with world what a great team is working for r2 company...

tsukilucas Day in, day out, I've been always saying to myself on what a great company R2 is *rolls eyes*. However, moderators are just volunteers who try their best to help the players with as much as they can. They are in the same boat as we are when it comes to this game and are often left in the dark when developers ignore them.