Exploits VS hacking

[ace_of_spadez]

So first lets begin by defining what they are.

An exploit is taking an advantage of a flaw in the game to make things easier.
IE. If you knew a way to get therions blessing MORE often this would be an exploit. Because it stays within parameters of the game.

Hacking
Is using third party software to alter codes to give you an edge.
EX if you found a way to alter the code on your gold to give you more using third party software or breaking the encryption of page.

NOW

to get to my point.

The mods seem to happily punish people EQUALLY for these two things. WHICH I think is wrong. Because let us review an exploit is something THEY messed up in game.

Conclusion?

I feel that punishments should be astronomically declined for EXPLOITERS because they are just using what is given to them within the game. It is not there fault the code writers made a mistake.

Hackers should be punished to the full extent of GAME law.

Thoughts?

Debate.

[Xeptone]

I am sorry for being blunt .... but go die pls.....

or better yet please read the agreement u have with 7th road before u play wartune ...

[ace_of_spadez]

excellent which hunt thought process (Y) Hate everything thats different without knowledge

[R21577189]

excellent which hunt thought process (Y) Hate everything thats different without knowledge

Hi could you share with us the unlimited balens, gold, daru, kyanite, exploit, thx in advance.

[ace_of_spadez]

Hack, and example.

[XrosSlash]

exploit the bug within the game is against the rules. but i dunno, what bug can be exploited. but ive seen the case long ago where some ppl abuse experience book. after that GM roll back his account.
exploit the game mechanic isnt = ie, kicking from guild to join another guild in a flash-technique

my opinion, its all depend on the rules.

[-Arioch-]

it doesn't make a difference how you cheat, it's all cheating.

[御萧xXLJXx]

it doesn't make a difference how you cheat, it's all cheating.

+1

Regardless of how you twist the word. it all come down to one thing.

which is you are doing something wrong, which you knew is wrong. if you found a bug in game you use to benefit yourself and maybe you friends without reporting it. it's still wrong.

it all come down to the fact that you used something to make yourself benefit from it otherwise not possible by regular means.

it's true, from a player point of view, hacking is probably worse, but when it comes down to it. stabbing someone to commit theft or shooting someone to commit bank robbery. it's all wrong regardless of how you look at it.


you can try to bring emotion into it, circumstances, background, motive, all in the end you cannot deny a crime committed is a crime committed no matter how you broke the TOS.

[Lester_Manuel]

exploit the bug within the game is against the rules. but i dunno, what bug can be exploited. but ive seen the case long ago where some ppl abuse experience book. after that GM roll back his account.
exploit the game mechanic isnt = ie, kicking from guild to join another guild in a flash-technique

my opinion, its all depend on the rules.

abuse exp book ? o_O

[Bigblete]

Staying in the initial thread mindset, which is a nice debate case I think, I would agree to the point that yes, as xxljxx said, both are against term of service, it is a fact.

BUT, on another hand, it is true than an exploit comes from a flaw in the game, sometimes quite an obvious one, but even so, some players are so... "less intelligent" (I didn't found a polite word for that description, my english is bad) that they exploit without even knowing it. On that point, I would strongly disagree on a similar sanction as for someone that WILLINGLY use a 3rd party program to take advantage, henced described as "hacking". A nice example is our friend on S9 here, which is a HEAVY lagger, that manages to plant many kyanite crops in his farm consistently. I think he doesn't even know it's not "possible" to plant more than one; even if he has many on his farm regularly. The fact that he can plant 4 kyanites gives him an edge on the academy over other players, which can be qualified as an exploit, but again, he does not even do it on purpose; so... same sanction as a hacker? I disagree 100%.

With that being said, I agree with first post of this thread, as of sanctions imposed to exploiters vs hackers should be different, as it is comparing apples with oranges.

[shadowball2]

A good point is brought up here. I do agree that exploiter and hackers should be treated differently.
Its kinda like punishing a murderer and a petty thief. You wouldn't give capital punishment to both of them.

But, a crime is a crime and there should always be punishment.
This is why I cannot agree with this statement of yours.

I feel that punishments should be astronomically declined for EXPLOITERS because they are just using what is given to them within the game. It is not there fault the code writers made a mistake.

Suppose a security guard is slacking on the job. Does that give you the right to break into a shop and steal its content?
Does the mistake of the security guard justify your action?

That's all

[Spinsar]

Players who use hacks should have their accounts reset, or banned permanently in my opinion, but not up to me to decide.
Players who abuse exploits should have less of a punishment and it depends on the exploit and how much they abused it for how much of a punishment they should receive but nevertheless the punishment should be enough to make them less strong from before they used the exploit so enough justice is received and to act as a suitable deterrent.

[Greithoth]

excellent which hunt thought process (Y) Hate everything thats different without knowledge

Here's an answer with knowledge for you. IF you find a flaw in the game and use it to your advantage then that says you're probably a selfish ♥♥♥♥ who doesn't care about taking advantage of a situation to get ahead. This usually happens when you can't handle playing the honest way. I hope that clears things up a bit for you.

[Vinga69]

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[Arlad]

ok, what's with the trend with the revival /necro of dead threads lately? this forum should have autolocked threads that didnt been updated after 1 month.