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  • #76
    Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
    You do know archers have the edge against mages, all aspects being similar, right?
    I agree but that edge is very slight imo, just coz archers dont have a passive MDEF boost which they should have had, knights have an edge over archers and a healthy one at that coz their gears give tons of PDEF and a passive PDEF boost as well which always helps, but archers just have a moderate MDEF advantage over a mage's PDEF just because there is no passive boost. Lemme tell u that passive boost would have made archers the true counter of mages but as it stands right now im sure the archers dont attack mages of similar strength in BG feeling comfortable.

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    • #77
      I was doing BG last night and a 50k archer beat a 56k mage...twice...

      Me with my 41k BR almost beat a 54k mage...

      Mages aren't invincible. Very tough mind you but not invincible. You get through the troops with enough hp left and it comes down to "Hi flesh bag...meet Mr Sword." Archers say they need a mdef buff to counter mages but their patk is usually higher than a knight and mages don't have a pdef buff...
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      • #78
        Originally posted by kattuktk View Post
        I agree but that edge is very slight imo, just coz archers dont have a passive MDEF boost which they should have had, knights have an edge over archers and a healthy one at that coz their gears give tons of PDEF and a passive PDEF boost as well which always helps, but archers just have a moderate MDEF advantage over a mage's PDEF just because there is no passive boost. Lemme tell u that passive boost would have made archers the true counter of mages but as it stands right now im sure the archers dont attack mages of similar strength in BG feeling comfortable.
        Yes but you guys get a crapton of gold at WB. You can make up for that difference both short and long term. I'll give you this though - super end game against a crit mage, you may have a claim.

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        • #79
          they whine because they used to have it too easy, i guess that's all there is to it. archers = pampered child...lol
          I don't need a plan.....just a goal, the others.....will follow on their own.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by R24152717 View Post
            they whine because they used to have it too easy, i guess that's all there is to it. archers = pampered child...lol
            archers kill knights pretty fast at lvl 30+
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            • #81
              Originally posted by R21577189 View Post
              archers kill knights pretty fast at lvl 30+
              And they die to knights pretty fast pass lvl 60 too.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by DeathRiver View Post
                And they die to knights pretty fast pass lvl 60 too.
                archers with high crit determination and illusion astrals still kill knights pretty good at lvl 60.
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                Two for the Whales in their deep blue ocean,
                Three for Mortal Men doomed to die,
                One for the Big Whales on their dark throne
                In the Land of Wartune where the heroes lie.
                One sylph to crush them all, One sylph to kill mobs,
                One sylph to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by R21577189 View Post
                  archers with high crit determination and illusion astrals still kill knights pretty good at lvl 60.
                  not really archers can barely scrape a knights armor if he gems phys def instead of hp like I do(still use hp in 4th slot on legs)
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Panthaz89 View Post
                    not really archers can barely scrape a knights armor if he gems phys def instead of hp like I do(still use hp in 4th slot on legs)
                    exactly change all my hp to pdef.. knights are lategamer those who wants early game like archers and whine after 55+

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                    • #85
                      archers jz hang on there, in chinese servers, archers roam bg, and knights afk, unless those knights have similar pdef as archer's patk. Fyi, archers in china has min 9k crits and 20k patk, pdef, mdef and 100k+ hp.
                      62996
                      Five Sylphs for the Heros in wartune,
                      Two for the Whales in their deep blue ocean,
                      Three for Mortal Men doomed to die,
                      One for the Big Whales on their dark throne
                      In the Land of Wartune where the heroes lie.
                      One sylph to crush them all, One sylph to kill mobs,
                      One sylph to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
                      In the Land of Wartune where the Moby duck lie."

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by R21577189 View Post
                        archers jz hang on there, in chinese servers, archers roam bg, and knights afk, unless those knights have similar pdef as archer's patk. Fyi, archers in china has min 9k crits and 20k patk, pdef, mdef and 100k+ hp.
                        From what I hear we have adjusted crit values so the crit stat is hardly much on our version....onimad has 20k phys attack already and he/she still complains about knights being strong in pvp.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Panthaz89 View Post
                          From what I hear we have adjusted crit values so the crit stat is hardly much on our version....onimad has 20k phys attack already and he/she still complains about knights being strong in pvp.
                          w8 for his pdef to hit 20k.
                          62996
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                          Two for the Whales in their deep blue ocean,
                          Three for Mortal Men doomed to die,
                          One for the Big Whales on their dark throne
                          In the Land of Wartune where the heroes lie.
                          One sylph to crush them all, One sylph to kill mobs,
                          One sylph to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
                          In the Land of Wartune where the Moby duck lie."

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by R21577189 View Post
                            w8 for his pdef to hit 20k.
                            With the same stats, knights will still wipe archers, they are meant to do so.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by R21577189 View Post
                              archers jz hang on there, in chinese servers, archers roam bg, and knights afk, unless those knights have similar pdef as archer's patk. Fyi, archers in china has min 9k crits and 20k patk, pdef, mdef and 100k+ hp.
                              FYI the balens there cheaper by a dozen...
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by onimad View Post
                                FYI the balens there cheaper by a dozen...
                                Huge +1.

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