Guild fixing GB week after week

[BoomOd]

I don't care if you do not believe me, I'm just wondering why you call one player as 2-3 guilds

[Kastergir]

Oh Hello Boom. Getting ready to spread lies again, like " I am not using Balens on WB" ?

[BoomOd]

was here. And want heard something like true

[Kastergir]

I dont think the mentioned mechansims in game are designed to work like that. Its more like, their design allows that to be done, but the specific abuse/exploit was not intented by the coders/Designers. Id go as far as assuming its possible the coders may have been aware its possible to be abused, but wouldnt have thought it be done on such a massive scale.

Then on the other hand, player driven environments can be self - regulating . What baffles me about my Server is : we managed to win GB exactly once against mentioned Guild...due to superior Strategy and execution ( which they were then able to counter in following weeks. Also, our execution lacked ). Showing the entire Server it could be done as the Underdog, after they and their Individuals had been dominating almost everything all the time...what does the majority of heavy Cashiers/cashiers/heavily active people do? Join THEM. Weeks of everyone being pushed down by them, then one determined Guild shows they can be beat...and a dozen of ppl. goes and support them.

Strange...

[DeathRiver]

@Kastergir:
I fully understand that Dryads are there to some how help weaker players get around sometimes after being farmed on. However, there are several cases, which I can't mention here due to the massive amount of times they have done this, have players that aren't Crusader strip naked and go out in BG for Dryads. Then put their equipments back on to kill certain players.

Seeing things differently is one way to put it, but there are so many thing in-game are designed to work like that, we can only do so much.

[Kastergir]

While I find your point valid, there are distinct differences. In Battlegrounds for instance, blatant bullying can be a huge Problem, so having Dryads as mechanism to stop that on occasion is important.

If a player - or several - whose Guild looses in 1st or 2nd round, simply mercs for another Guild up to their win abusing the kick/join feature, he reaps rewards he shouldnt. Gaining in game advantages others have to pay for. In the course - if he is the decider as on our Server - helping some 60+ people to gain the same ill gotten rewards.

Now if those mercs would buy the ShopItem, it would be a different story. They wouldnt abuse a flaw in game design to cheat r2 out of revenue and others out of rewards, but actually PAY for what they earn. But the fact some feature is abused makes it dishonourable and disgusting in my eyes. I dont see it as tatcic. I see it as cheat/exploit.

In regards to not being able to "avoid playing dirty"...I think it comes down to different mindsets. People just have different priorities I guess.

[DeathRiver]

You have my sympathy in this situation, but the system is designed this way to provide (underhanded) tactic to guild war. Tactic is after all still tactic, we can't avoid playing dirty at some point. If the agreement to remove/fix anything deemed to be underhanded/dirty/an exploit, I will raise my hand to ask the Dryads in Battle Ground removed so people can't lift a hand against those who are better or spent more.

[Kastergir]

Said misanthropy though is the desire of some individuals. Developers/programmers have to prepare for this select group. Ignore the problem(s) and they tempt fate. Companies usually do not let this sort of issue slide. There is no need to "judge the whole of humanity" when a select few can wreak havoc.

A select few ARE wreaking havoc at the moment by abusing a flaw in game design, and I bet its happening on multiple Servers. Thery are cheating the company out of revenue, and other players out of rewards. They actually cause people to QUIT the game, or at least quit spending. Why didnt developers/programmers prepare for that group in THAT regard ( Guildkick/rejoin ) ? On occasion, one has to opt for the lesser evil...

[KnowingEyes7]

I found misanthropy leads to an unhappy Life. Judging whole of humanity by the experiences made with only a few of them leads to fallacies . Furthermore, whos to claim theyd really know whats within Humans nature ? Any notion can be true. So can mine.

Said misanthropy though is the desire of some individuals. Developers/programmers have to prepare for this select group. Ignore the problem(s) and they tempt fate. Companies usually do not let this sort of issue slide. There is no need to "judge the whole of humanity" when a select few can wreak havoc.

[Kastergir]

Why assume the worst? It's human nature to *do* the worst.

I found misanthropy leads to an unhappy Life. Judging whole of humanity by the experiences made with only a few of them leads to fallacies . Furthermore, whos to claim theyd really know whats within Humans nature ? Any notion can be true. So can mine.

[KnowingEyes7]

I am sure thing wishing for this! If People would be stupid enough to abuse this, they would stop after a short while, realizing the overall number of players able to participate in this weeks GBs has dwindled much. Also, would force/give more meaning to being member of a guild - instead of just reward whoring, which is what it is for too many on our Server. I have seen it in action in other games I played, worked perfectly well.

Why assume the worst? Could be it leads to LESS senseless kicking or Guild hopping if its coming with dire consequences?

Why assume the worst? It's human nature to *do* the worst.

[Centaur07]

some sort of obstacle should be there , thats not personal or not releated with only our GB..Otherwise some people keeps gettin undeserved rewards and players like us will quit cuz we are paying this stuff which they get by missuse of kicking !!!

[Kastergir]

No way for the kicking/leaving leading to a force out of GB. Leads to abuse. Don't wish for this.

I am sure thing wishing for this! If People would be stupid enough to abuse this, they would stop after a short while, realizing the overall number of players able to participate in this weeks GBs has dwindled much. Also, would force/give more meaning to being member of a guild - instead of just reward whoring, which is what it is for too many on our Server. I have seen it in action in other games I played, worked perfectly well.

Why assume the worst? Could be it leads to LESS senseless kicking or Guild hopping if its coming with dire consequences?

[KnowingEyes7]

I know its old news. Still felt like bringing it up again after loosing the 5th Battle we should have won out of 6 against this Guild. Its coming to a point where it discourages people much to go on playing. IN addition, I hear come next maint, being kicked of or leaving a Guild will lock you out of GB for a certain time. Not sure whether its true, but one can hope.

No way for the kicking/leaving leading to a force out of GB. Leads to abuse. Don't wish for this.

[R25284853]

i agree this must be fix.