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  • Troop HP Enlightenment - Is this correct?

    I currently have level 56 knights with 3,689 base HP, 3,989 with academy skills. I also have level 41 Templars with 4,260 base HP, 4,560 with academy and my overall troop count is 1084. My knights have level 3 HP enlightenment that gives 3%. My Templars only have level 1 HP enlightenment, but gives 5%. With no troops equipped, my base player HP is 39,872 and with the knights equipped, I have 40,482 HP. Now when I equip the Templars, which have a higher base HP and enlightenment than my knights, I only have 40,105 HP. I can't figure out why I'm gaining more player HP with my knights, than with my Templars.

    I was referred here by a well-known and highly respected player to find out if other people are seeing this same issue or if we're overlooking something altogether. I have included several screenshots as well. Let me know your thoughts/findings. Sorry if the images are really big also. Thanks.

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  • #2
    i think its a typo.. hp enlightenment for templars is 1% of troop hp at level 1. theres no change in the % for patk enlightenment for templars.. so most likely same with hp enlightenment too.

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    • #3
      After doing some more calculations, it does in fact appear to be a typo. Can anyone else confirm this?

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      • #4
        I thought HP transformation was moved to 5% per 1% of other transformations. A few things are possible here. To mention a few: there could be a bug that keeps you on the old 1% if you didn't increase your trans level, this 5% trans could also work only for knights, it's a typo etc. I have PATK 4 now (= 5%) and while enlightening I sometimes get 25% HP trans (but I don't swap to it). This, however, is checked only for my Templars. When I first converted my level 4 PATK from Knights to Templars I got the HP transformation and I remember it being a lot of HP (possibly 25%), but I didn't calculate (just immediately thought they changed it so it'd give more).

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        • #5
          From what I noticed when Part II came out that I noticed when I switched from Knights to Templar and converted over the level 5 Enlightenment to the Templars it read as +35% so I put them on and off testing the old formula for Troop Enlightenment HP to Player HP which was (Troop HP*Troop Count)/200 would give you the amount of HP you gained from the units. It wasn't adding up, so I tested it Troop HP that shows up on the Troop Stat list and then taking 35% of that and it gave me what I was gaining from them, which is lower than what it would of been if it was 7% off of the old formula.

          I've noticed sometimes when working on upgrading enlighenment HP will say 7% for level 5 and sometimes 35%. But I've just left it MAtk and kept going on working on leveling MAtk to 6 Enlightenment.

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          • #6
            try calculated it, it's really 5% at lvl 1 hp trans

            Your HP increase = 4560 x 5% = 228 hp


            39872 hp - without troop
            40105 hp - with troop

            Increase = 233 hp ( 5.1 % increase)
            Last edited by Ikesela; 04-16-2013, 02:37 AM.
            Server: [S3] Misty Towers
            Level 62: Mage

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            • #7
              Thank you everyone for all your replies! I tried another formula similiar to the old one and have been able to get it almost right on.

              [Base Troop HP x Troop Count / 200] = Troop HP
              [Troop HP + Troops Academy HP x HP enlightenment %] = HP Enlightenment Increase
              [Base Player HP + HP Enlightenment Increase] = Total Player HP

              Knights
              [3,689 x 1084 / 200] = 19,995 (Troop HP)
              [19,995 + 300 x .03] = 609 (HP Enlightenment Increase)
              [39,872 + 609] = 40,481 (Player HP)

              Templars
              [4,260 x 1084 / 200] = 23,089
              [23,089 + 300 x .01] = 233
              [39,872 + 233] = 40,105

              If this formula is correct, then the 5% increase that it says your supposed to get, is actually only 1%.
              Again, let me know what you think. Thanks again everyone!

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              • #8
                Do you have Wings or Eye of the Eagle?

                If no Eye of the Eagle but wings:
                Knights
                3689+300 = 3989
                15%(enlightenment level 3) of 3989 = 598.35
                598+2%(Wings) = 609.96 HP
                39872+610 = 40482 (Which is your HP in the Screenshot with the Knights not 40481)

                Templar
                4260+300 = 4560
                5% of 4560 = 228
                228+2% = 232.56 HP
                39872+233 = 40,105( Which is also your HP in the screenshot with the Templar)


                But I liked the old formula pre-Templar/Warlock HP Enlightenment change since it favored High Charisma.

                IE:
                Templar(level 66)
                6095 HP(5765+330)

                Using New Enlightenment Old Formula(Just for fun, New with Old was never active)
                (6095*1367)/200 = 41,659 HP per Templar
                35% of 41659 = 14,580.65
                14581+2%(Wings) = 14,873 HP Gain

                Using Old Enlightenment Old Formula
                (6095*1367)/200 = 41,659 HP per Templar
                7% of 41659 = 2916.13
                2,916+2%*Wings = 2974 HP Gain

                Using New Enlightenment New Formula
                35% of 6095 = 2,133.25
                2,133 +2%(Wings) = 2176 HP Gain

                See how the Old Formula favored Charisma. 798 HP Gain difference.
                Last edited by Daehawk; 04-16-2013, 05:04 AM. Reason: Added the With only Wings no Eye of the Eagle Skill.

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                • #9
                  Daehawk,

                  I have level 2 wings. I guess I'm confused about the wings overall. I didn't think that they affected your troop HP directly, but only the players HP. Another thing is that in the screenshot, the knight's show a level 3 hp enlightenment, but it's only a 3% increase. I'm really enjoying this discussion, it's quite interesting.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wesleyf7 View Post
                    Daehawk,

                    I have level 2 wings. I guess I'm confused about the wings overall. I didn't think that they affected your troop HP directly, but only the players HP. Another thing is that in the screenshot, the knight's show a level 3 hp enlightenment, but it's only a 3% increase. I'm really enjoying this discussion, it's quite interesting.
                    The wings would increase the gain from the troops, just like if you got Level 2 Eye of the Eagle you could gain 20% more 610 and 233. Yeah that might be a typo of it reading 3% instead of the 15% that other people have seen on level 3 Enlightenment.

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                    • #11
                      So this HP isn't increased by archer and knight passive 20% HP boost? That's interesting. Or are you a mage? My apologies if I missed something.

                      My Templars give me exactly 500 PATK.

                      They have 8709 PATK, and they give 5% (lvl 4). The default bonus is 15%, so:

                      8709x0.05x1.15= 500.7675 (which sounds right, and without the 15% it'd be 435).

                      EDIT: "15% default bonus" = focused attack, archer passive.

                      EDIT2: 8709 PATK = lvl 59 knights with full academy.
                      Last edited by WickedSilk; 04-16-2013, 05:11 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by WickedSilk View Post
                        So this HP isn't increased by archer and knight passive 20% HP boost? That's interesting. Or are you a mage? My apologies if I missed something.

                        My Templars give me exactly 500 PATK.

                        They have 8709 PATK, and they give 5% (lvl 4). The default bonus is 15%, so:

                        8709x0.05x1.15= 500.7675 (which sounds right, and without the 15% it'd be 435).
                        They should be, that's why I asked about if he had Eye of the Eagle. He stated he had level 2 Wings for the +2% Hp. But didn't state if he did have Eye of the Eagle which would be the +20% if level 2 of that skill.

                        My Templars give me 795 MAtk atm
                        9706 is their attack.
                        7% of 9706 = 679.42
                        679.42+17%(2% Wings level 1 and 15% from Mana Master) = 794.92 = 795 MAtk
                        Last edited by Daehawk; 04-16-2013, 05:16 AM. Reason: Added what my Templars give.

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                        • #13
                          Okay, I see what you mean now and yup, I'm a mage. Thanks for taking the time and helping me clear this up Daehawk!

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                          • #14
                            Yeah, I see. Sorry for repeating :P

                            Anyway, when I swap to gryphons, it gets odd:

                            The enlightenment says it gives 1%.

                            What I get: 112
                            What I should get without the Eye: 101
                            What I should get with the Eye: 122

                            HOWEVER!

                            When I calculate 5% instead of 1% and WITH the eye of the eagle, but NOT the troop count (so, I take troop hp and just multiply it by 0.05 and then by 1.2) I get 112.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wesleyf7 View Post
                              Okay, I see what you mean now and yup, I'm a mage. Thanks for taking the time and helping me clear this up Daehawk!
                              Ah you're a mage, that explains why no Eye of the Eagle, your avatar deceived me which made me curious =P. Glad I could help.

                              Originally posted by WickedSilk View Post
                              Yeah, I see. Sorry for repeating :P

                              Anyway, when I swap to gryphons, it gets odd:

                              The enlightenment says it gives 1%.

                              What I get: 112
                              What I should get without the Eye: 101
                              What I should get with the Eye: 122

                              HOWEVER!

                              When I calculate 5% instead of 1% and WITH the eye of the eagle, but NOT the troop count (so, I take troop hp and just multiply it by 0.05 and then by 1.2) I get 112.
                              kk possibly then old troops aren't reflecting the *5 change for the HP Enlightenment that the new troops use. But they still are operating as if they are using that change and are using the new formula I listed.
                              Last edited by Daehawk; 04-16-2013, 05:25 AM.

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