Troop HP Enlightenment - Is this correct?

[Wesleyf7]

I currently have level 56 knights with 3,689 base HP, 3,989 with academy skills. I also have level 41 Templars with 4,260 base HP, 4,560 with academy and my overall troop count is 1084. My knights have level 3 HP enlightenment that gives 3%. My Templars only have level 1 HP enlightenment, but gives 5%. With no troops equipped, my base player HP is 39,872 and with the knights equipped, I have 40,482 HP. Now when I equip the Templars, which have a higher base HP and enlightenment than my knights, I only have 40,105 HP. I can't figure out why I'm gaining more player HP with my knights, than with my Templars.

I was referred here by a well-known and highly respected player to find out if other people are seeing this same issue or if we're overlooking something altogether. I have included several screenshots as well. Let me know your thoughts/findings. Sorry if the images are really big also. Thanks.

[shynnblu]

i think its a typo.. hp enlightenment for templars is 1% of troop hp at level 1. theres no change in the % for patk enlightenment for templars.. so most likely same with hp enlightenment too.

[Wesleyf7]

After doing some more calculations, it does in fact appear to be a typo. Can anyone else confirm this?

[WickedSilk]

I thought HP transformation was moved to 5% per 1% of other transformations. A few things are possible here. To mention a few: there could be a bug that keeps you on the old 1% if you didn't increase your trans level, this 5% trans could also work only for knights, it's a typo etc. I have PATK 4 now (= 5%) and while enlightening I sometimes get 25% HP trans (but I don't swap to it). This, however, is checked only for my Templars. When I first converted my level 4 PATK from Knights to Templars I got the HP transformation and I remember it being a lot of HP (possibly 25%), but I didn't calculate (just immediately thought they changed it so it'd give more).

[Daehawk]

From what I noticed when Part II came out that I noticed when I switched from Knights to Templar and converted over the level 5 Enlightenment to the Templars it read as +35% so I put them on and off testing the old formula for Troop Enlightenment HP to Player HP which was (Troop HP*Troop Count)/200 would give you the amount of HP you gained from the units. It wasn't adding up, so I tested it Troop HP that shows up on the Troop Stat list and then taking 35% of that and it gave me what I was gaining from them, which is lower than what it would of been if it was 7% off of the old formula.

I've noticed sometimes when working on upgrading enlighenment HP will say 7% for level 5 and sometimes 35%. But I've just left it MAtk and kept going on working on leveling MAtk to 6 Enlightenment.

[Ikesela]

try calculated it, it's really 5% at lvl 1 hp trans

Your HP increase = 4560 x 5% = 228 hp


39872 hp - without troop
40105 hp - with troop

Increase = 233 hp ( 5.1 % increase)

[Wesleyf7]

Thank you everyone for all your replies! I tried another formula similiar to the old one and have been able to get it almost right on.

[Base Troop HP x Troop Count / 200] = Troop HP
[Troop HP + Troops Academy HP x HP enlightenment %] = HP Enlightenment Increase
[Base Player HP + HP Enlightenment Increase] = Total Player HP

Knights
[3,689 x 1084 / 200] = 19,995 (Troop HP)
[19,995 + 300 x .03] = 609 (HP Enlightenment Increase)
[39,872 + 609] = 40,481 (Player HP)

Templars
[4,260 x 1084 / 200] = 23,089
[23,089 + 300 x .01] = 233
[39,872 + 233] = 40,105

If this formula is correct, then the 5% increase that it says your supposed to get, is actually only 1%.
Again, let me know what you think. Thanks again everyone!

[Daehawk]

Do you have Wings or Eye of the Eagle?

If no Eye of the Eagle but wings:
Knights
3689+300 = 3989
15%(enlightenment level 3) of 3989 = 598.35
598+2%(Wings) = 609.96 HP
39872+610 = 40482 (Which is your HP in the Screenshot with the Knights not 40481)

Templar
4260+300 = 4560
5% of 4560 = 228
228+2% = 232.56 HP
39872+233 = 40,105( Which is also your HP in the screenshot with the Templar)


But I liked the old formula pre-Templar/Warlock HP Enlightenment change since it favored High Charisma.

IE:
Templar(level 66)
6095 HP(5765+330)

Using New Enlightenment Old Formula(Just for fun, New with Old was never active)
(6095*1367)/200 = 41,659 HP per Templar
35% of 41659 = 14,580.65
14581+2%(Wings) = 14,873 HP Gain

Using Old Enlightenment Old Formula
(6095*1367)/200 = 41,659 HP per Templar
7% of 41659 = 2916.13
2,916+2%*Wings = 2974 HP Gain

Using New Enlightenment New Formula
35% of 6095 = 2,133.25
2,133 +2%(Wings) = 2176 HP Gain

See how the Old Formula favored Charisma. 798 HP Gain difference.

[Wesleyf7]

Daehawk,

I have level 2 wings. I guess I'm confused about the wings overall. I didn't think that they affected your troop HP directly, but only the players HP. Another thing is that in the screenshot, the knight's show a level 3 hp enlightenment, but it's only a 3% increase. I'm really enjoying this discussion, it's quite interesting.

[Daehawk]

Daehawk,

I have level 2 wings. I guess I'm confused about the wings overall. I didn't think that they affected your troop HP directly, but only the players HP. Another thing is that in the screenshot, the knight's show a level 3 hp enlightenment, but it's only a 3% increase. I'm really enjoying this discussion, it's quite interesting.

The wings would increase the gain from the troops, just like if you got Level 2 Eye of the Eagle you could gain 20% more 610 and 233. Yeah that might be a typo of it reading 3% instead of the 15% that other people have seen on level 3 Enlightenment.

[WickedSilk]

So this HP isn't increased by archer and knight passive 20% HP boost? That's interesting. Or are you a mage? My apologies if I missed something.

My Templars give me exactly 500 PATK.

They have 8709 PATK, and they give 5% (lvl 4). The default bonus is 15%, so:

8709x0.05x1.15= 500.7675 (which sounds right, and without the 15% it'd be 435).

EDIT: "15% default bonus" = focused attack, archer passive.

EDIT2: 8709 PATK = lvl 59 knights with full academy.

[Daehawk]

So this HP isn't increased by archer and knight passive 20% HP boost? That's interesting. Or are you a mage? My apologies if I missed something.

My Templars give me exactly 500 PATK.

They have 8709 PATK, and they give 5% (lvl 4). The default bonus is 15%, so:

8709x0.05x1.15= 500.7675 (which sounds right, and without the 15% it'd be 435).

They should be, that's why I asked about if he had Eye of the Eagle. He stated he had level 2 Wings for the +2% Hp. But didn't state if he did have Eye of the Eagle which would be the +20% if level 2 of that skill.

My Templars give me 795 MAtk atm
9706 is their attack.
7% of 9706 = 679.42
679.42+17%(2% Wings level 1 and 15% from Mana Master) = 794.92 = 795 MAtk

[Wesleyf7]

Okay, I see what you mean now and yup, I'm a mage. Thanks for taking the time and helping me clear this up Daehawk!

[WickedSilk]

Yeah, I see. Sorry for repeating :P

Anyway, when I swap to gryphons, it gets odd:

The enlightenment says it gives 1%.

What I get: 112
What I should get without the Eye: 101
What I should get with the Eye: 122

HOWEVER!

When I calculate 5% instead of 1% and WITH the eye of the eagle, but NOT the troop count (so, I take troop hp and just multiply it by 0.05 and then by 1.2) I get 112.

[Daehawk]

Okay, I see what you mean now and yup, I'm a mage. Thanks for taking the time and helping me clear this up Daehawk!

Ah you're a mage, that explains why no Eye of the Eagle, your avatar deceived me which made me curious =P. Glad I could help.

Yeah, I see. Sorry for repeating :P

Anyway, when I swap to gryphons, it gets odd:

The enlightenment says it gives 1%.

What I get: 112
What I should get without the Eye: 101
What I should get with the Eye: 122

HOWEVER!

When I calculate 5% instead of 1% and WITH the eye of the eagle, but NOT the troop count (so, I take troop hp and just multiply it by 0.05 and then by 1.2) I get 112.

kk possibly then old troops aren't reflecting the *5 change for the HP Enlightenment that the new troops use. But they still are operating as if they are using that change and are using the new formula I listed.