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The Big "Seperate BG by BR or 5 Levels" Thread.
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Originally posted by Tehlawlfirm View PostUnfornately the only people who will agree with you is the people it will benefit, the people who it won't benefit will disagree and troll it. Most people don't care to balance pvp unless it will help them and only them have an advantage.
oh here's a very good suggestion too.. to prevent from missing a turn in a fight with another player, esp to archers, skills will be unclickable until the other has queued a skill.
oh another thing, stat reduction for those super high BR players in bg, br reduce will depend on the br of the other player. lets say 80k br vs 70k br.. a reduce of 15% from the total stats of the higher BR TO MAKE IT FAIR. oh and limit the balens use of a player, say a 5k balen use per day.
now, welcome to wartune -hello kitty online edition
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Originally posted by ShiKKihS View Postoh another thing, stat reduction for those super high BR players in bg, br reduce will depend on the br of the other player. lets say 80k br vs 70k br.. a reduce of 15% from the total stats of the higher BR TO MAKE IT FAIR.Originally posted by CreamySaucepanYou are just a freakozoid... Monster of Frankenstein meets Jabba the Hutt... Frabba the Huttstein... :POriginally posted by CreamySaucepanBehind every fat Space Slug is a blood thirsty sociopath urging it on.
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How about roll back the BG settings? They did a most unfair move possible! I just go in BG with my lvl 47 mage and face the lvl 53-54 ppl with >lvl 45 templars against my lvl 40 knights! *** is that? They ruin the only honor given instance from game! And for what? Cuz of 20-30 of players who stood some times on 39/49 etc lvl. And cuz some noobs had complain about lvl 35/45 set. But rather you win against superior set than superior troops. Specially when you must fight knights against templars.
Another issue in BG are STUN skill. Under 50 lvls have not that skill. So, is not enough that we have to face templars, but we must loose 2-3 rounds cuz of STUN! And that are their ideea of **** fairness? More than that, the new stun range make that EVERYTIME high lvl stuns lower lvl! So, if I have lvl 50 and I face lvl 51 player, he ALWAYS will stun me no matter what!
Solution:
make BG for 5 lvls, like someone already sugested here or
make troops matching with sets: grifons from 35 to 44, knights from 45 to 54, templars from 55~
and TAKE CARE to not meet stun owners with those who have not the skill.
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Originally posted by AhuraMazda View PostMore than that, the new stun range make that EVERYTIME high lvl stuns lower lvl! So, if I have lvl 50 and I face lvl 51 player, he ALWAYS will stun me no matter what!
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In Battlegrounds is not correct, for example, a player at lvl 40 with lvl 35 or 40 set class can beat a player lvl 45 + with lvl 45 set. Another example is this: a player at lvl 50 with lvl 45 set class cant beat a player lvl 55 + with lvl 55 set. The best is to be divided Battlegrounds of 5 in 5 lvl. Some players work hard to collect honor and is unfair for they to lose these honor because are killed by players with superior sets.
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Originally posted by Tehlawlfirm View PostUnfornately the only people who will agree with you is the people it will benefit, the people who it won't benefit will disagree and troll it. Most people don't care to balance pvp unless it will help them and only them have an advantage.
It's all well and good to talk about "Let's make everyone equal" when you're at the bottom end of a bell curve.
So to recap this "Balance BG" thread thus far...if it is to be balanced, it must be against your exact level, BR, and class, with the same gear, skills, gems, and runes. You must get the same amount of honor win or lose.
On top of that, we also need to remove honor loss, dryads, and temporary immunity after fights. We need full HP restored after every fight, like in GB. And for the shard farmers out there, I propose a special BG with no PvP whatsoever. Just shard farming. We can call it "The Miner Leagues"...though I'm open to naming suggestions.
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Originally posted by AllexAllexyo View PostI propose that Battlegrounds are dealt 5 of 5 lvl because a lvl 40 player can beat a player of 45, as well as higher lvl. Be according to the following category: 30-34, 35-39, 40-44, 45-49, 50-54, 55-59, 60-64, 65-69, 70-74, 75-80.
I would feel more comfortable about fighting someone who is only 3-4 levels above me compared to 8-9 levels. It's not so much a "Hello Kitty" mode but more of a level playing field. Instead of chaulking it up to having those Templars and the 2-round stuns as the excuse to loose, I can chaulk it up to either BR; not having enough Star points to heal to full, or out-skilled.
I would go so far as to lower the number of BG grouping suggested in the OP; mostly due to gearing and troop reasons:
30-34 (BG Intro; Gryphon/Priest troops), 35-39 (Initial lvl 35 PvP gear), 40 - 44 (Knight/Angel troops), 45 - 49 (lvl 45 PvP gear), 50-54 (Templar/Warlock troops + Stun), 55 - 59 (lvl 55 PvP gear), 60 - 69 (lvl 60 PvE gear; no new PvP gear), 70 - 80 (lvl 70 PvE gear; no new PvP gear).Last edited by R224566182; 08-18-2013, 12:23 AM.Also known as Hinalover.
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Originally posted by Tehlawlfirm View PostUnfornately the only people who will agree with you is the people it will benefit, the people who it won't benefit will disagree and troll it. Most people don't care to balance pvp unless it will help them and only them have an advantage.My name itself is a flame...sweeeeeet! awesome! epic!
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Originally posted by AllexAllexyo View PostI propose that Battlegrounds are dealt 5 of 5 lvl because a lvl 40 player can beat a player of 45, as well as higher lvl. Be according to the following category: 30-34, 35-39, 40-44, 45-49, 50-54, 55-59, 60-64, 65-69, 70-74, 75-80.
Now mind you, I only BG when R2 forces me for event quests. The pvp aspect of farming other players doesn't do anything for me...maybe bc I'm a girl and don't need wartune to make my nub feel big...or maybe because I'm not your average 20 year old player with no life XD Yeah they should fix it, but no they wont. Why cash if you cant make yourself feel big for it???? and this game is all about sucking whales dry, not actually making a fun exp.My name itself is a flame...sweeeeeet! awesome! epic!
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Originally posted by bshallc2010 View PostIt's not about that at all. We troll suggestions that attempt to homogenize this game into a bland, soulless experience devoid of any challenge where everything is tuned to please the lowest common denominator. And it's not trolling, it's satire.
It's all well and good to talk about "Let's make everyone equal" when you're at the bottom end of a bell curve.
So to recap this "Balance BG" thread thus far...if it is to be balanced, it must be against your exact level, BR, and class, with the same gear, skills, gems, and runes. You must get the same amount of honor win or lose.
On top of that, we also need to remove honor loss, dryads, and temporary immunity after fights. We need full HP restored after every fight, like in GB. And for the shard farmers out there, I propose a special BG with no PvP whatsoever. Just shard farming. We can call it "The Miner Leagues"...though I'm open to naming suggestions.
Those are opinions not facts.. Trolls have no room for dicussion, if they don't like something they troll it.
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Is it so unrealistic to expect people to fully consider their suggestions before submitting them, Tehlawlfirm?
1) Think of a change to suggest.
2) Immediately think of every consequence of it being implemented. Exploits, balance issues, etc, etc.
3) Tweak to solve for issues found in step 2. Return to step 1 if necessary. Proceed to step 4 when ready.
4) Submit suggestion.
The fact is, the OP's suggestion doesn't solve the problem of strong players camping the top end of BG brackets. It shrinks the brackets, sure. But level campers are gonna honor farm regardless of bracket size. So if taking OP's suggestion to its logical conclusion of "total and complete balance" looks like trolling, I would think that reflects poorly on the soundness of the OP's suggestion.
Also, be judicious in your use of the term "trolling." It can easily become a lazy way of shutting down discussion by discrediting those who don't agree with you.
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Battle grounds.
You have heard our whining and crying about the level gaps and in my opinion, you have only made things worse by adding a chance to get stuck with people as high as 36, 46, 56 and so on. Can't you make it so that no one can be attacked unless in transport? It would turn battle ground into a "more fair" part of the game. As it is, higher level bullies, sit and camp you out and you can't barely get out of your spawn without getting attacked. If a person is attacked repeatedly until the end of the battle ground they may not get any points at all. I mean this is a possibility and people tend to get a kick out of it. I personally wish there was a way to avoid battle ground completely but people need insignia.
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