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  • #31
    Originally posted by winlord View Post
    Your theory is wrong, but your other theory about the rates being on an exponential curve is correct.
    The post you quote is based on my theory of an exponential curve of diminishing returns - a squareroot function.

    You say my theory is incorrect in one half of your sentence and correct in the other half...

    Please clarify yourself.
    Originally posted by CreamySaucepan
    You are just a freakozoid... Monster of Frankenstein meets Jabba the Hutt... Frabba the Huttstein... :P
    Originally posted by CreamySaucepan
    Behind every fat Space Slug is a blood thirsty sociopath urging it on.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by AnataOFAkku View Post
      Dear god...you want show us you discover new america or what? Evry1 know formula atk-def/2=base dmg,ofc this base dmg have floating 90-110%. You dont know this basic things of game? Not my thing - live your knowledge...
      hmm. how should i respond to that coz i didnt asked if everyone knows the formula. actually i've seen the formula long ago but i didnt know that there was a wiki link exist. and from what You said, it only becomes Basic coz everyone knows it and it should be basic coz everyone knows it is the formula. and yes i dont know that's why im asking right?
      Last edited by R27560757SpeeDHunter; 07-23-2013, 12:04 PM.
      I Quit, if you wanna ask regarding to any of my thread or post, i wont answer you.
      and do me a favor, downgrade my reputation. Im done.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by GingerTheHutt View Post
        The post you quote is based on my theory of an exponential curve of diminishing returns - a squareroot function.

        You say my theory is incorrect in one half of your sentence and correct in the other half...

        Please clarify yourself.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns

        It has nothing to do with square root.

        This is square root: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root

        While it is an exponential curve, it doesn't necessarily mean it is the exponential curve used ingame (Simple way to refute your statement: Zebq's crit rate with over 8000 crit stat is not 100% on WB and is around 60% on PvP fights)
        Last edited by winlord; 07-23-2013, 12:51 PM.

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        • #34
          If you take a graph of: y = Crit or Block Stat and x = SQUARE ROOT of y = %age chance for stat to proc, you have a graphic that shows a diminishing return. Which is in it's basis a squareroot function.

          I didn't say that my formula was dead on. Just a theory. A proposition.

          Please go back and re-read my posts to see that I made that very clear.
          Originally posted by CreamySaucepan
          You are just a freakozoid... Monster of Frankenstein meets Jabba the Hutt... Frabba the Huttstein... :P
          Originally posted by CreamySaucepan
          Behind every fat Space Slug is a blood thirsty sociopath urging it on.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by winlord View Post
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns

            It has nothing to do with square root.

            This is square root: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root

            While it is an exponential curve, it doesn't necessarily mean it is the exponential curve used ingame (Simple way to refute your statement: Zebq's crit rate with over 8000 crit stat is not 100% on WB and is around 60% on PvP fights)
            You fight with him or from where you get 8k crit and 60% on pvp? ppl with 4k have more then 60% ... So sry

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            • #36
              Originally posted by GingerTheHutt View Post
              If you take a graph of: y = Crit or Block Stat and x = SQUARE ROOT of y = %age chance for stat to proc, you have a graphic that shows a diminishing return. Which is in it's basis a squareroot function.

              I didn't say that my formula was dead on. Just a theory. A proposition.

              Please go back and re-read my posts to see that I made that very clear.
              You're wrong, again. It's not a square root function, it's an exponential growth function. Square root is an exponential growth function too, but it's not the one used ingame. Do you see where your logic malfunctions?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by winlord View Post
                You're wrong, again. It's not a square root function, it's an exponential growth function. Square root is an exponential growth function too, but it's not the one used ingame. Do you see where your logic malfunctions?
                We're arguing two sides of the same coin here.

                The exponential growth function describes the relationship of percentage chance in relation to stat.

                Thus: for a 'x'% chance you need *insert exponential growth formula* = 'y' stat needed.

                A squareroot function is the reverse process of the above.

                I have stat of 'y', *insert squareroot function* = x%age chance of stat proc.
                Originally posted by CreamySaucepan
                You are just a freakozoid... Monster of Frankenstein meets Jabba the Hutt... Frabba the Huttstein... :P
                Originally posted by CreamySaucepan
                Behind every fat Space Slug is a blood thirsty sociopath urging it on.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by GingerTheHutt View Post
                  We're arguing two sides of the same coin here.

                  The exponential growth function describes the relationship of percentage chance in relation to stat.

                  Thus: for a 'x'% chance you need *insert exponential growth formula* = 'y' stat needed.

                  A squareroot function is the reverse process of the above.

                  I have stat of 'y', *insert squareroot function* = x%age chance of stat proc.
                  Blah, you don't get it, nvm.

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                  • #39
                    We need an official formula... all these theory is making my head explode.



                    The bases I am trying to figure out was as posted before, 1080 def vs 15% dmg reduction. (lets say this was on a level 54) how much damage reduction would 1080 had reduce.

                    Such as maybe 100 def either reduce dmg taken by "value" 100 dmg, or "percent" 1%, etc (which I have no idea which)
                    If it goes by %, that means 15% dmg reduction would require 1500 defense (in which if it's this, 15% goddess blessing would be a better choice than the other def astrals - if you can pick and choose to only equip one def astral + goddess blessing)



                    As for Crit and Block... it's even harder to figure out, since it looks like 4000 used to be the base 100% chance, but now it's somewhere in 6000ish... so this means Block's rate might also have been changed, like 2000 used to be 50%, but now it's 4000?
                    (I have no idea on the numbers, just a guess based on previous threads)


                    Or if you have a high enough Block Rate (enshieldment astral), would you use it in place of another Defensive Astral that you are already wearing. (since Blocking/ Dodging reduce dmg by up to 50%)

                    However, I heard that ppls said Block/Dodging doesn't reduce Crit Dmg?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by anichaos View Post
                      We need an official formula... all these theory is making my head explode.



                      The bases I am trying to figure out was as posted before, 1080 def vs 15% dmg reduction. (lets say this was on a level 54) how much damage reduction would 1080 had reduce.

                      Such as maybe 100 def either reduce dmg taken by "value" 100 dmg, or "percent" 1%, etc (which I have no idea which)
                      If it goes by %, that means 15% dmg reduction would require 1500 defense (in which if it's this, 15% goddess blessing would be a better choice than the other def astrals - if you can pick and choose to only equip one def astral + goddess blessing)



                      As for Crit and Block... it's even harder to figure out, since it looks like 4000 used to be the base 100% chance, but now it's somewhere in 6000ish... so this means Block's rate might also have been changed, like 2000 used to be 50%, but now it's 4000?
                      (I have no idea on the numbers, just a guess based on previous threads)


                      Or if you have a high enough Block Rate (enshieldment astral), would you use it in place of another Defensive Astral that you are already wearing. (since Blocking/ Dodging reduce dmg by up to 50%)

                      However, I heard that ppls said Block/Dodging doesn't reduce Crit Dmg?
                      Men...*** are you talking about xD your def dont work with % reduction...Ehh i mean if you have 8k def and someone 12 atk you get 2k base dmg,now you have 15% reduction so 2000*1.15=300,2000-300= 1700...that this works.
                      Crit and block formuła...Ask r2 or 7r - good luck with answer

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                      • #41
                        could anybody tell me what the latest server is because ive heard new servers are good for new people

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by AnataOFAkku View Post
                          Men...*** are you talking about xD your def dont work with % reduction...Ehh i mean if you have 8k def and someone 12 atk you get 2k base dmg,now you have 15% reduction so 2000*1.15=300,2000-300= 1700...that this works.
                          Crit and block formuła...Ask r2 or 7r - good luck with answer
                          Yea, what you said is basically Def = estimated fixed value

                          IE:
                          12000 - 8000 = 2000 dmg done on you
                          whereas with GB
                          12000 - 7000 = 3000 dmg done on you THAN calc = 3000 x 0.15 = 450, 3000 - 450 = 2550

                          In this case, Def Astrals would be a much better deal than Goddess Blessing.

                          (I am talking about "one or the other" situations, see previous sentences - if you can pick and choose to only equip one def astral + goddess blessing)


                          Like in situations where you have either high P/Mdef, you may choose to replace the already high Def with Goddess Blessing to increase your weaker Def's dmg reduce.
                          IE: you have 12000 Pdef, but only 8000 Mdef, you could remove Pdef astral and equip Goddess Blessing to decrease Magic damage taken. (where instead of taking 2000 Mdmg, you take 1700 Mdmg, But takes in more Pdmg.)


                          could anybody tell me what the latest server is because ive heard new servers are good for new people
                          The one at the top of each server list is latest (highest server number)

                          Although... the "new server are good for new people" aren't exactly true.
                          (might be to some extent)
                          However, new servers are mostly made so ppls can be "best" of their server by starting out with huge loads of cash. (proven)
                          Not to mention all server will get merged with older server anyways, so you won't be "new" for long.
                          Last server merge was on a 3 week old server.. LOL

                          Plus PvP are mostly cross-servered, so this part doesn't matter what server you're on.
                          Last edited by anichaos; 07-23-2013, 04:48 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by anichaos View Post
                            Yea, what you said is basically Def = estimated fixed value

                            IE:
                            12000 - 8000 = 2000 dmg done on you
                            whereas with GB
                            12000 - 7000 = 3000 dmg done on you THAN calc = 3000 x 0.15 = 450, 3000 - 450 = 2550

                            In this case, Def Astrals would be a much better deal than Goddess Blessing.

                            (I am talking about "one or the other" situations, see previous sentences - if you can pick and choose to only equip one def astral + goddess blessing)


                            Like in situations where you have either high P/Mdef, you may choose to replace the already high Def with Goddess Blessing to increase your weaker Def's dmg reduce.
                            IE: you have 12000 Pdef, but only 8000 Mdef, you could remove Pdef astral and equip Goddess Blessing to decrease Magic damage taken. (where instead of taking 2000 Mdmg, you take 1700 Mdmg, But takes in more Pdmg.)



                            The one at the top of each server list is latest (highest server number)

                            Although... the "new server are good for new people" aren't exactly true.
                            (might be to some extent)
                            However, new servers are mostly made so ppls can be "best" of their server by starting out with huge loads of cash. (proven)
                            Not to mention all server will get merged with older server anyways, so you won't be "new" for long.
                            Last server merge was on a 3 week old server.. LOL

                            Plus PvP are mostly cross-servered, so this part doesn't matter what server you're on.
                            Ehh...men...and whats now? At 59v you never have enaught def, as a archer at 60v you get next astro - gb and where problem?
                            Mages and knights can even use it at 50v with wd combo... i think we end

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by AnataOFAkku View Post
                              You fight with him or from where you get 8k crit and 60% on pvp? ppl with 4k have more then 60% ... So sry
                              There is a fact that both u and Ginger are missing here: crit chance is inversely proportional to the defence of the opponent.
                              The BASE crit rate may well be the sqrt, but the actual one varies. WB is a good test.
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