Regarding Event [Spire & Tower of kings]

[BlueEarth]

For me, hehe, I suggest you provide a "one-help" attempt... This exclusive attempt is just only for helping, and no rewards will be given.... This attempt is only to be used for helping others... But you only do it once a day... What about this???

So each day, you get a one attempt with rewards, and another one (just only one) attempt without any rewards... So we could help other people even just once per day (I'm being redundant. -_- )

[♥Pain♥]

Some peoples will say No because they don't want other to lvl faster at my side I agree totally

[YawnQ]

Thank you guys for voting & supporting until now.Ask your in-game friends to do same separate the word let everyone know.Everyone has right to share their views...Maybe we might bring a change.

[StarkeBlade]

Will it work that way though bshall? If a guild consistently pushes members through Spire/TK what happens? People will end up being a high level without the BR to match it. You will have L60's who shouldn't even be L55 in terms of BR. I don't see that as actually being a problem in the long run. (other than for the poor buggers who overleveled and die all the time in BG/Arena) Super speed leveling doesn't help a char in the long run. I think the reason for the post (well, to be honest, my reason for posting here) is that it's really annoying not to be able to hop in a Spire/TK run and help out once in a while. Or even 3-4 times a day. If people need another higher BR player, I'm glad to help, it wont help them much if it's only me and if a guild organizes run it's only going to screw over their low level players in the long term.

So...... I guess I'm still not understanding why people think this is a bad idea.

[bshallc2010]

OP, your poll is poorly worded, and it creates a bias towards the "yes" answer with the implicit assumption that a "yes" vote supports unlimited attempts.

Unlimited attempts would exacerbate the "casher magnetism" problem of power attracting power. People want to be friends with, do runs with, be in the same guild as powerful players. This draws talent away from other guilds, those who want to get stronger but are held back by the weaker members of their current guild. All the applications empower the guild to cherry-pick the highest BRs and creates an unstoppable power guild.

Unlimited attempts will draw even more people to that guild, those hoping to befriend a power player and benefit by getting run through Spire/ToK. Why be 30k and run with 30ks in Spire if you can get 50ks? Why be 50k and run with 50ks when you can gets 70ks? In the end, you create an elite class of people who benefit from their "connections" and anyone not lucky enough to be in that group is left at an even larger disadvantage.

[ArowenGR]

How about being able to reenter spire/ToK to help people roughly our lv/BR?
i.e. having classes 40-44, 45-49 something like the BG classes.
How about that?
That way noone cheats and noone gets significant benefits.

[YawnQ]

The penalty I suggested was mainly to counter the possibility of abuse. A strong player will be able to run weaker people through all day if he/she chooses to if one can help freely like in mpd. When you said average BR, do you mean the average of people with attempt? If yes, then that's a fantastic idea as long as the stats can be scaled appropriately. I don't know exactly how BR is calculated so I can't really say much on this.

the average of people attempt with? Yes

[R27402931]

Penalty stats are a good suggestion.But we going to help not to be helped.If our stats decrease our overall power becomes weak and instead we will died soon plus we will waste the attempts of the person we are going to help.Or Penalty stats should be there on the average of the other team mates when you are helping if the highest is 21k br and lowest is 18k br So our br should be set to 19.5k br that's my opinion

The penalty I suggested was mainly to counter the possibility of abuse. A strong player will be able to run weaker people through all day if he/she chooses to if one can help freely like in mpd. When you said average BR, do you mean the average of people with attempt? If yes, then that's a fantastic idea as long as the stats can be scaled appropriately. I don't know exactly how BR is calculated so I can't really say much on this.

[YawnQ]

Penalty stats are a good suggestion.But we going to help not to be helped.If our stats decrease our overall power becomes weak and instead we will died soon plus we will waste the attempts of the person we are going to help.Or Penalty stats should be there on the average of the other team mates when you are helping if the highest is 21k br and lowest is 18k br So our br should be set to 19.5k br that's my opinion

[R27402931]

One thing that may work is that if you do spire without attempts, you take a penalty to stats. For example, If I go to help a lower lvl in my guild to spire, all my stats will be at half so I'm not as strong as normal. Of course it would probably be tricky to find the right penalty.

[YawnQ]

Guys don't argue every one has his own beliefs and has a different view of looking things and has a right to share it.I just did yes and open this thread because i want to help out my friends & guildies when ever i am free.It's bit bad when people Pm or ask in guild chat that they need help tok and spire and we say no even when we want to help at times they don't get anyone to team up with and they have to abandon the event quest for that day due to that at times.We have 200 friends Vip has maybe unlimited friends and we just do Tower of kings and Spire with other 3 friends or guildies about about the rest 197 friends and other guildies.Shouldn't we have duty to help them not always but somethings whenever we are free.I recommend or suggested people should Vote 'Yes'

[StarkeBlade]

Actually, I'm just flabbergasted that you would find it a horrible idea to help lower levels get a tiny bit of extra XP. You never did explain why; you just said "no". If there's coherent reasons for your "No" vote then I'm happy to listen to them. (I can be closed minded, but not THAT closed minded). By just saying "No" with no explanation I assume the worst about you. I explained WHY I thought it was a good idea, surely you can do the same?

Also? Never be doing Spire late and forget about tanks -.- 4 minutes and still searching.

[CondorHero]

What is wrong with you people?

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean we are wrong.

A bit egocentric, aren't you?

[StarkeBlade]

What is wrong with you people?
You seriously have a problem with low levels getting a hand to level up faster? (it's not like their BR is going to go up a ton if they level faster) That offends you? I shudder to think what kind of guilds the nay sayers are in.

Our G M and all the assists help people with MP and arena all day. Some of us have high BR, some middling. Doesn't matter, whenever we have time we help out, it's why we are a successful guild; but whenever someone asks for ToK or Spire I have to say "No, sorry, I have to do it with the high BR party we setup" or "already did it". That's kind of silly, there's no real difference between Spire/Kings and MP/arena. I don't even see the point of limiting it to one extra run. If three people actually want to spend the time dragging their entire guild through Spire/Kings? Let them. It's going to take all frigging day

It's also sometimes impossible to do the events if you can't get on till late. I once had to do Spire with just two of us -.-

Resounding yes if that somehow wasn't clear

[DeathTh3Kid]

A definite no from me.