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Originally posted by Roadsidebomb View PostI wrote that and its true, our (Knights) talents blow. For a class that is described by everyone as being the "defensive" or "tank" class i cannot for the life of me understand why we don't have some talent attached to Aragorns or Apollos, by far our 2 most "defensive" skills. Shadow Tharasher, who said it had a long cd and cast speed, cd is 1 sec. End of the day most ppl who comment singing the praises of Knights need to play a bit longer to know *** they're talking about. Lvl 60, 60k BR lmao. Talking about Moonevil Den MP how apollos is so great in that mp hahahaha. Fact is Knight isn't needed is any mp. Even 70 NM mps. All ppl wanna say "maybe you need to learn to build your Knight correctly" so Oxycotton, is my Knight built correctly? I gave u a flogging in BG the other day. Not bragging only trying to make my point that perhaps I have some grounds to voice an educated opinion. A final thing, funny how they have Crit scrolls but no Block scrolls, wonder how many ppl ever wondered that as well. ppl still wanna say Knights aren't **'ed?
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Still cry about mages...Ehh what da **. Mage is knigt counter and nothing wrong u have big problems with them. Want kill mages,change class to archer,want kill knights change to mage, want kill archer - be knight and stop complaining. Usless knight in mpd? I like knight apollo and front wall on my moon,soon dt nm team. For spire good tank is must have.
Cant understand u guys...but maybe u have right, knight should be good in evrything bcs this is big massive knight, sad thing - usually big muscle guys are soo silly Hehe^^ have a nice day
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Originally posted by AnataOFAkku View PostStill cry about mages...Ehh what da **. Mage is knigt counter and nothing wrong u have big problems with them. Want kill mages,change class to archer,want kill knights change to mage, want kill archer - be knight and stop complaining. Usless knight in mpd? I like knight apollo and front wall on my moon,soon dt nm team. For spire good tank is must have.
Cant understand u guys...but maybe u have right, knight should be good in evrything bcs this is big massive knight, sad thing - usually big muscle guys are soo silly Hehe^^ have a nice day
In PvE knights are the worst outta 3 in every event(except for maybe spire)
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Originally posted by kattuktk View PostMain problem is that with each addition knights are getting less powerful, like the addition of templars, addition of BW(which boosts the TC up which is most harmful to knights), right when we knights thought we have become powerful enough to blow troops away fast, they screw us with BW
In PvE knights are the worst outta 3 in every event(except for maybe spire)
And like i say, i like knights in my team for moon or dt nm
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Originally posted by kattuktk View PostMain problem is that with each addition knights are getting less powerful, like the addition of templars, addition of BW(which boosts the TC up which is most harmful to knights), right when we knights thought we have become powerful enough to blow troops away fast, they screw us with BW
In PvE knights are the worst outta 3 in every event(except for maybe spire)
With only one aoe skill and no way to target back row directly like archers (ap and df) it's essential knights kill the troops quickly, and BW has made this hard
Only counter would be if there was a talent to shorten w/w cd I suppose
But speaking as a mage I'm loving my new troops strength, watching my templar survive a Delphic Destroyer from our servers top knight was fabBlizzarea
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Originally posted by PunkPetal View PostI will wholeheartedly agree that each of the recent patches hasn't been kind to knights
With only one aoe skill and no way to target back row directly like archers (ap and df) it's essential knights kill the troops quickly, and BW has made this hard
Only counter would be if there was a talent to shorten w/w cd I suppose
But speaking as a mage I'm loving my new troops strength, watching my templar survive a Delphic Destroyer from our servers top knight was fab
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Originally posted by 0xykotton View Postw/w? Are you talking about ww? If so there is a talent that shortens WW cd for knights. You should know you have a knight as well lol. If w/w is something else then my bad. Can you explain w/w is? Anyways though i think major reason why no one does anything with the other talents is due to the fact we all need to upgrade HS before we can even touch the other talents. Lastly, I do agree that mages are a pain in the *** against knights. They should be afterall since they are knights counter. However, it isn't impossible to beat strong mages being a knight. I done it occasionally (not major cashers out there with 25k+ matk ofc.) but BR around your BR or a bit more/less is doable if you have enough hp,block,etc to handle. Overall though yes it is extremely hard for knights to beat mages.Blizzarea
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Knights have been hit hard after all those updates. The tech blessing has ended any chance knights had of ever becoming usefull.
Only usefull party skill they have is appollo, which btw is useless against bleed.
The cycle of recovering skills restore-scatter-puri is given on archers and mages so knights are USELESS on mpds such as BL and GoD. Appollo is too little. I am level 64 and have appollo lv 2 and the only usefull place for it is spire. Even moon with scatter is EASY.
Tech bonus now allows archers to act as tanks. So even moon can easilly be accomplished without knights.
In PvP even archers now stand a chance against knights because of HUGE templars they can have.
Plus, when guildmates ask for help, a knight is rarely the man they want. Always wanted is mage or archer. Knight is only wanted in spire...
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Oxy, calm down man I really wasn't having a go at you. I know ur on the forums a lot and you are one person I know I have encountered in BG. I was only asking u to attest to my claims that the line "Learn to build your Knight properly" frequently written on these types of threads might not apply to me because I have build my Knight properly. I am high lvl and decent strength so I might know more than the person playing the lvl 60, 60k BR Knight. Didn't mean to offend you.
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Originally posted by bleedingxorange View Posthow do you figure you have a 60% block rate? Just FYI 1k block = ~10% block chance. If you only have 30k hp and 8k pdef I HIGHLY doubt you have anywhere NEAR 60% block. Right now I have 2.2k block and i block about once every 4-5 hits or around 20%.
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atk - def / 2. If someone has 11k patk and you have 8k pdef it would be 11-8/2 or 1.5k dmg. If a mage with 11k matk hit you with 5k mdef you would take 3k dmg. These numbers are also based off of auto-attacks because skills give out %'s. For instance a maxed out ult. slasher is 150% dmg + 300 dmg with a QTE of 25% more dmg. meaning that other knight with 11k patk would ult. slasher you for quite a bit more.
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Archers dominate PvP early, mages mid-late and Knights late. Yes knights get dominated in PvP early, then the become monsters late. 60+ Knights take archers hands down, and can go toe to toe with mages depending on specs.
Knights and archers are basically mirrors, early archers own PvP and are meh at PvE. Later Knights own PvP and archers own PvE, if you are a knight and want to do well in PvP gotta stick it out to 60ish then you will dominate. Mages are always solid
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if u know how to use a knight they r good in PvP against mages and archers
yes mages r meant to slap them around
here's a hint on how to use a knight
first attack HS
second attack super slasher - targets lowest HP which will be players toon due to hitting them with HS
then use whirlwind
and then super slasher CD should be done nail em with it again
by then they should be dead if not repeat that and there u go simple
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