Auction house

[Arlad]

It's only natural. They are a business after all. We're (paying) customers of R2 so it's obvious that we think they are greedy. Yet if we think from their point of view, can we not say that their strategies thus far, despite leading to customer dissatisfaction and huge amounts of complaints, have been effective in meeting their goals - making money? If they think that the implementation of the AH would lead to lower profits, of course they're not going to bring it in, regardless of how many people protest.

I'd call it fair if they give us what we should have received, but noooo, they must remove things so they could earn more at the expense of player's satisfaction. But i agree with you that they would never bring AH here, judging how greedy little -creatures that oinks- they are.

I genuinely do not believe this is the case. Hard cashers are not afraid of non-cashers toppling their supremacy. They know it's impossible. There is absolutely no way a non/low/medium casher can, for the most obvious example, obtain enough whips to get their stables to L4 and above. Refining of gear takes either a tremendous number of crystals (and luck), or money to lock preferred stats. Non/low/medium cashers are more than likely not doing Necro everyday either, so that's potentially a couple of L4 gems they are missing out on every single day. So no, the hard cashers are safe from the rest. They know this as well, so I'm genuinely not seeing why you, and a few others, keep insisting this is the case.

because the casher keeps making up excuse that "it will ruin the balance" while you know, all other incarnations of Divine Comedy except wartune has AH but the "balance ruin" that been keep fear mongered by the Hard cashers are not proven.

No. Humans are all greedy by nature. It's only natural that a non-casher wants better treatment. We see this in every new patch when the threads get spammed by newbies asking for free wings and free this and free that. I'm curious, what is this 'rights' you speak of? How is R2 denying a non-casher his rights by not implementing the AH? Does a free player have special rights to easy access to items that others needed a long time/real money to obtain?

The "rights" i mentioned is the right to have all access that are supposed to be inside this game but removed by the greed of this game's provider.

judging from your posts, I guess you are the kind of people who okay with children in Africa being starving as long you can enjoy your luxurious life because you have the money.

[ancev]

I just logged on to the Chinese Wartune Server 1.

Everyone is at endgame. This is what I observe from the top 100 players:
Level 80 Character level
Level 80 Soul Engraving
Level 20 Fate (Brutal Edge)
Maxed Stables
Maxed Wings/Clothes
Level 80 legendary set (+10 to all stats)
Maxed Astrals (all level 10s)
Maxed Pet level
Maxed Guardian Soul


Not trying to be cynical here, but there really isn't anything to play for. Player rank #1 is indistinguishable from player rank #100.
They are basically just sitting and waiting for new content.

I have to disagree with you. I play on 438 server and when I look at top 100 cross server I see max 20 players with level 80 sets, the rest have 70 and even some with 60.
Regarding mounts,soul engraving and so on, future patches have a lot of daily/weekly events that offer many items that for now are hard to get (like whips,fate stones,soul crystals). I've seen level 54 with level 32 soul engraving.
I can't say anything about pets, but not even top players have full guardian set yet as far as I can see.
You seem to be very worried about what to do when everything is maxed out, and I'm starting to think that this is your first MMO?

[Blue-bells]

Enjoy a milkshake while watching the debate.

[CondorHero]

i see completely fair being an AH in wartune, for both casher and noncasher ppl, but ppl have to have in count that the game will change about the hardcore farming times, i have seen it in china server and the economy in the server that i played seems very nice.

I just logged on to the Chinese Wartune Server 1.

Everyone is at endgame. This is what I observe from the top 100 players:
Level 80 Character level
Level 80 Soul Engraving
Level 20 Fate (Brutal Edge)
Maxed Stables
Maxed Wings/Clothes
Level 80 legendary set (+10 to all stats)
Maxed Astrals (all level 10s)
Maxed Pet level
Maxed Guardian Soul


Not trying to be cynical here, but there really isn't anything to play for. Player rank #1 is indistinguishable from player rank #100.
They are basically just sitting and waiting for new content.

[djosefgmail]

i see completely fair being an AH in wartune, for both casher and noncasher ppl, but ppl have to have in count that the game will change about the hardcore farming times, i have seen it in china server and the economy in the server that i played seems very nice.

[CondorHero]

If you want tocall it that ok fine we will call it that how ever as i have said many times ive played dozens of mmos been involved at various levels of csr (customer service rep) from the lowly game guide/low lvl csr on up to admin and sysop.I have never seen exploitation of player economy in any of them to the point where it impacts the rest of the community as a whole.

Again, claiming yourself to be the ultimate authority in MMORPG. Meaning, if you didn't see it happen before, it does not exist nor will it happen.

You don't need to be a real person to farm items. The CEO of R2Games, Jared Psigoda, himself is a gold farmer in WoW. And hundreds of thousands of botters exist to do the job for you. It's basically generating $ "free" for you.

[d07.RiV]

firstly loids leg stones needto be unbound to be tradded

They are.

secondly each item has a minimum price of balens to be traded so yeah you think its gonna be easy?

As easy as entering your credit card.

[Eskendal]

With that set up, I can see how you CAN'T exploit...

Not to mention AH looks like Balen only, so even if you have 5000000 Alts farming Crystaloids... you still need to pay balens to buy them from your own Alts, LOL...

I already said it in another thread, why would you farm with 1000 alt., when there is already 6 pages full of people selling level 60 and 70 stones all at the same price which is, take a wild guess... the minimum selling price...

[anichaos]

You can't use locked balens in auction house.

Also, people who think it will be easy for everyone to get level 6 loids and and level 70 stones, do they know what are the price for those?

There is a minimum price. You can't sell 200 loids for 5 balens.

50 level 70 stones or 50 level 6 loids = 750 balens minimum on Chinese server. You can double the price or even higher for our version. So, 1500 balens minimum and probably even more for 50 level 6 loids or level 70 stones.

When I saw the price from auction house on Chinese server, first thing I told myself is, damn, with those price, only big cashers are going to buy these things XD

With that set up, I can see how you CAN'T exploit...

Not to mention AH looks like Balen only, so even if you have 5000000 Alts farming Crystaloids... you still need to pay balens to buy them from your own Alts, LOL...

[qphantom]

You can't use locked balens in auction house.

Also, people who think it will be easy for everyone to get level 6 loids and and level 70 stones, do they know what are the price for those?

There is a minimum price. You can't sell 200 loids for 5 balens.

50 level 70 stones or 50 level 6 loids = 750 balens minimum on Chinese server. You can double the price or even higher for our version. So, 1500 balens minimum and probably even more for 50 level 6 loids or level 70 stones.

When I saw the price from auction house on Chinese server, first thing I told myself is, damn, with those price, only big cashers are going to buy these things XD

informative thanks !

[xnovaflarex]

This is an opinion, not a fact.

If you want tocall it that ok fine we will call it that how ever as i have said many times ive played dozens of mmos been involved at various levels of csr (customer service rep) from the lowly game guide/low lvl csr on up to admin and sysop.I have never seen exploitation of player economy in any of them to the point where it impacts the rest of the community as a whole. Lets say for arguments sake you have 500 players using alts to farm gold and items through out any server group in war tune. EG east coast west coast etc Now total server population of all those servers combined for each group is 50k or so there would be no impat over all what so ever. What we should expect to see if a huge jump of gold farming via alts for say 2 weeks to 2 months. By that time frame most all of those farmers will get bored not only with farming but with wartune outright. They will simply burn out. Or in some cases they will tare up through lvls br etc so fast as to out pace content and will again burn out. Fact is the farmers will always end up non farmers or non players. In other words no harm done over all. What those farmers will do is inject high lvl gems and gear in to the economy that will be passed around the server. Again i speak from allot of personal experience as every thing from player to sysop in mmos.

[S44-ZEREF]

the people who have made pve sets and made them legendary worked a lot on them you want to buy them in 1 click? ......

firstly loids leg stones needto be unbound to be tradded secondly each item has a minimum price of balens to be traded so yeah you think its gonna be easy?

[R22923622]

the people who have made pve sets and made them legendary worked a lot on them you want to buy them in 1 click? ......

[DeathRiver]

I can tell you one thing, if AH ever gets in, I'd be the first one to exploit it.

[FrostieTheSnowman]

here's an easy one: R2 is greedy and they want to hog all the money from balens for themselves. if AH is implemented, balens will circulated between players, thus reducing R2's revenue

It's only natural. They are a business after all. We're (paying) customers of R2 so it's obvious that we think they are greedy. Yet if we think from their point of view, can we not say that their strategies thus far, despite leading to customer dissatisfaction and huge amounts of complaints, have been effective in meeting their goals - making money? If they think that the implementation of the AH would lead to lower profits, of course they're not going to bring it in, regardless of how many people protest.

because like what we saw here, many cashers are afraid that non cashers can topple their supremacy, so they downvoted any suggestions that benefits noncashers.

I genuinely do not believe this is the case. Hard cashers are not afraid of non-cashers toppling their supremacy. They know it's impossible. There is absolutely no way a non/low/medium casher can, for the most obvious example, obtain enough whips to get their stables to L4 and above. Refining of gear takes either a tremendous number of crystals (and luck), or money to lock preferred stats. Non/low/medium cashers are more than likely not doing Necro everyday either, so that's potentially a couple of L4 gems they are missing out on every single day. So no, the hard cashers are safe from the rest. They know this as well, so I'm genuinely not seeing why you, and a few others, keep insisting this is the case.

Now let me return the question, is it bad that non casher wants a better treatment? Did denying someone from their rights didnt sound like a greed and selfish thing to do?

No. Humans are all greedy by nature. It's only natural that a non-casher wants better treatment. We see this in every new patch when the threads get spammed by newbies asking for free wings and free this and free that. I'm curious, what is this 'rights' you speak of? How is R2 denying a non-casher his rights by not implementing the AH? Does a free player have special rights to easy access to items that others needed a long time/real money to obtain?