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Originally posted by Arlad View PostTo be precise, Highway Robbery. look at it's definitions
Players choose to pay.
No robbery of any kind.
Any casher can choose to not pay. They simply leave their credit card in their purse or wallet.Originally posted by CreamySaucepanYou are just a freakozoid... Monster of Frankenstein meets Jabba the Hutt... Frabba the Huttstein... :POriginally posted by CreamySaucepanBehind every fat Space Slug is a blood thirsty sociopath urging it on.
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I lost all respect from you, i thought experienced players should have know how much this game pretty much FORCED you to buy casher items to stay competitive. But it seems being high up there blinded your view on how things actually running. stop buying, then you off the top chart.
And you didnt even try to deny that this stupid game has overpricing things(HIGHWAY ROBBERY) while having a poor customer support.Originally posted by Wraithraiser
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Originally posted by Arlad View PostI lost all respect from you, i thought experienced players should have know how much this game pretty much FORCED you to buy casher items to stay competitive. But it seems being high up there blinded your view on how things actually running. stop buying, then you off the top chart.
And you didnt even try to deny that this stupid game has overpricing things(HIGHWAY ROBBERY) while having a poor customer support.
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Originally posted by Arlad View PostI lost all respect from you,
Originally posted by Arlad View Posti thought experienced players should have know how much this game pretty much FORCED you to buy casher items to stay competitive.
Competitiveness is a personal trait. It's provoked by the game for sure... but it's not like an R2 representative is sat next to you with a gun to your head every time you play? Or is it? Perhaps they leave me alone?
Originally posted by Arlad View PostBut it seems being high up there blinded your view on how things actually running.
Originally posted by Arlad View Poststop buying, then you off the top chart.
Is R2 exploiting this trait... For example through inflated prices?
Originally posted by Arlad View PostAnd you didnt even try to deny that this stupid game has overpricing things
Originally posted by Arlad View Post
Firstly Highway robbery was performed by highway men. With guns. There was no, 'actually, sorry. I don't think I'm gonna buy any balens from you this month' option. The options were: your money or your life.
Secondly players chose to purchase the digital goods. There is no forcing. any player anywhere can decide: Actually you know what this month, I'm not buying balens...
Then R2 shows a new jpg and they forget that promise cos they have to keep up. They whip out their card and willing spend.Originally posted by CreamySaucepanYou are just a freakozoid... Monster of Frankenstein meets Jabba the Hutt... Frabba the Huttstein... :POriginally posted by CreamySaucepanBehind every fat Space Slug is a blood thirsty sociopath urging it on.
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Originally posted by GingerTheHutt View PostBecause I disagree with your view point? Wow.
No. Player greed forces a player to buy things. The game just offers a tiny advantage for an inflated price. People then buy that tiny advantage repeatedly.
Competitiveness is a personal trait. It's provoked by the game for sure... but it's not like an R2 representative is sat next to you with a gun to your head every time you play? Or is it? Perhaps they leave me alone?
High up where exactly? I'm nothing like #1 for any ranking, anywhere on my server, or cross server. I'm not even impressive for my level anymore. So please don't use my character / cash expenditure as a judgement on my opinion.
This game is a competition of the wallet. No one is forced to actually compete though. It's human nature to try to be number 1. If you're wanting to be the top dog, you have to pay.
Is R2 exploiting this trait... For example through inflated prices?
I agree there. That's why I didn't deny it. I also chose mostly to not partake seriously with my cash. I play for fun and I throw a little cash at the game now and then. I chose to throw a little cash at the game.
Highway Robbery:
Firstly Highway robbery was performed by highway men. With guns. There was no, 'actually, sorry. I don't think I'm gonna buy any balens from you this month' option. The options were: your money or your life.
Secondly players chose to purchase the digital goods. There is no forcing. any player anywhere can decide: Actually you know what this month, I'm not buying balens...
Then R2 shows a new jpg and they forget that promise cos they have to keep up. They whip out their card and willing spend.
highway robbery noun
: the practice of charging a price that is very high and usually unfair for something
Full Definition of HIGHWAY ROBBERY
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: robbery committed on or near a public highway usually against travelers
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: excessive profit or advantage derived from a business transactionOriginally posted by Wraithraiser
Welcome to R2 forums. Where quality is nonexistent and quantity is only measured in the number of whines a single day can produce.
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As for spending money on this game, Arlad, it is entirely possible to "cash smarter, not harder." Yes, this is a drug dealer scenario. R2 wants to play on innate competitive drive. It's your choice what you're competing for, though. Maybe set your sights on being the best noncasher level 69 there is. You sit there, get all astrals level 10, get fate to level 20, all guild skills, full legendary 60 gears, and let the clothing levels and mounts stack up over time. Farm blue sylphs and sepulcrums to max them out.
You'll never be the best in the game this way...but you *can* be the best within a certain bracket of the game. The best 69, the best 64, the best 59/54/49/44/39.....I can't recommend slow-levelling enough.
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Originally posted by bshallc2010 View PostAs for spending money on this game, Arlad, it is entirely possible to "cash smarter, not harder." Yes, this is a drug dealer scenario. R2 wants to play on innate competitive drive. It's your choice what you're competing for, though. Maybe set your sights on being the best noncasher level 69 there is. You sit there, get all astrals level 10, get fate to level 20, all guild skills, full legendary 60 gears, and let the clothing levels and mounts stack up over time. Farm blue sylphs and sepulcrums to max them out.
You'll never be the best in the game this way...but you *can* be the best within a certain bracket of the game. The best 69, the best 64, the best 59/54/49/44/39.....I can't recommend slow-levelling enough.
Slow-leveling is obsolete, it's been proven to be an awful gamestyle eventhough I warned people about it from the start.
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Originally posted by Arlad View PostBecause i expected better, rational thinking from a veteran player like you. i guess i set my standard too high
Originally posted by Arlad View Postokay, you are right. FORCED is not the right word for it, but like you said they are exploiting some people to spend way higher than they should. It's not wrong, but it's a d*** move. Lawfully right, but morally wrong/
Originally posted by Arlad View PostLike someone stated, it's the drug dealer case. We are free to not to buy, but they know players will end up buying in the end because of their "addiction".
Originally posted by Arlad View PostOh but i will use the cash expenditure a factor on judgement. Some casher always tried to justified their absurd spendings by attacking non cashers, however the opposite also applied to non cashers who blindly hates ALL cashers indiscriminately.
I don't think I have ever used my cash player status as an discussion point.
I don't see how it makes any discussion point more valid.
Originally posted by Arlad View PostYes, they actually exploiting this throught the inflated prices. They know many players tried to be competitive by throwing every cent they have, thus inflating the price so only people who spent absurd amount of money wins.
In the end it's all player choice.
Originally posted by Arlad View Postfrom the link i posted earlier:
highway robbery noun
: the practice of charging a price that is very high and usually unfair for something
Full Definition of HIGHWAY ROBBERY
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: robbery committed on or near a public highway usually against travelers
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: excessive profit or advantage derived from a business transaction
Is the price of a Ferrari excess? Just because you can't afford it, does that mean that as a company Ferrari should lower their prices?Originally posted by CreamySaucepanYou are just a freakozoid... Monster of Frankenstein meets Jabba the Hutt... Frabba the Huttstein... :POriginally posted by CreamySaucepanBehind every fat Space Slug is a blood thirsty sociopath urging it on.
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Originally posted by GingerTheHutt View PostHow is my thinking irrational? Please enlighten me.
Then people in general need to learn how to be more careful when on the internet and dealing with potentially addictive things.
Have I used my VIP/Casher status to belittle, intimidate, bully or otherwise force an opinion on anyone here on this forum?
I don't think I have ever used my cash player status as an discussion point.
I don't see how it makes any discussion point more valid.
Right. So how is that going to be any different if they change the prices? If they make it so everyone can afford to max out everything for $50 or $500, then once everyone has maxed everything and gotten bored in a month, they all quit and go somewhere else, because $50 for a few months entertainment is fine to walk away from. Once players drop a few $K in, they're there for the long run.
In the end it's all player choice.
If people willing pay, multiple times, it can't be excessive.
Is the price of a Ferrari excess? Just because you can't afford it, does that mean that as a company Ferrari should lower their prices?Originally posted by Wraithraiser
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Originally posted by Arlad View PostThe fact that you are arguing over semantics over the main issue?
As you said, you lost respect for me basically because I disagree with you and then you call me irrational.
I asked you to validate that irrationality and this is your reply?
Originally posted by Arlad View PostPlease dont do the victim blaming again... it's inappropriate.
Originally posted by Arlad View PostNo, but simply on separating where casher an non-casher, we can see each people defending people on their group. This going worse with elitism with "Heavy Cashers" and "Pure non-balens users".
Originally posted by Arlad View PostThat's where it's the drug dealer case. The price is so high not because the production value, but because consumer needs them badly.
Need? as in required?
or want?
The two are very different.
Originally posted by Arlad View PostNo, but if something like Tata motors charges the price of a Ferrari because they are the only supplier in the country, no way you would call it a right bussiness.Originally posted by CreamySaucepanYou are just a freakozoid... Monster of Frankenstein meets Jabba the Hutt... Frabba the Huttstein... :POriginally posted by CreamySaucepanBehind every fat Space Slug is a blood thirsty sociopath urging it on.
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Originally posted by GingerTheHutt View PostI'm responding to each of your points in your posts.
As you said, you lost respect for me basically because I disagree with you and then you call me irrational.
I asked you to validate that irrationality and this is your reply?
Sorry but I didn't say anything that correlates to that. So stop putting words into my mouth and actually address my points.
People normally didnt know until it's too late, and you here said it's people' fault for not being careful
I have never done that. So again, please stop asserting that I have. It's not relevant to the discussion.
Ah the main discussion point:
Need? as in required?
or want?
The two are very different.
R2 are the only internet games supplier?Originally posted by Wraithraiser
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Arlad, I'm gonna have to say that you're being much less rational here than Hutt. It's a valid point to argue over meanings, as you keep using words like "forced" and "need" as if they are givens, when in fact it is closer to "heavily encouraged" and "want."
You say "highway robbery" when "fleecing/gouging" is more accurate, as well.Last edited by bshallc2010; 12-01-2013, 06:07 AM.
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Originally posted by bshallc2010 View PostArlad, I'm gonna have to say that you're being much less rational here than Hutt. It's a valid point to argue over meanings, as you keep using words like "forced" and "need" as if they are givens, when in fact it is closer to "heavily encouraged" and "want."
You say "highway robbery" when "fleecing/gouging" is more accurate, as well.Originally posted by Wraithraiser
Welcome to R2 forums. Where quality is nonexistent and quantity is only measured in the number of whines a single day can produce.
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