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  • terayaki2
    started a topic remake archer and improve AI battle in arena ?

    remake archer and improve AI battle in arena ?

    i think its not only me but other ppl think archer double shot freaking OP , its always crit and the rage consumption was low ... this make the game so imba and its hard for other class to get top 10 in world boss ... i bet the archer user wont agree with this , but as long the game imba , its kinda unfair ... so if u could please remake the rage consumption for that double shot..
    the damage was too high

  • terayaki2
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    hmm i see but is the stat showed in ur char stat is after the multiplied or before ? thanks for the link , this one helpful that other one
    yea and the fact still cant be changed , if the stats showned is already multiplied+other thing , still wth , archer easily kill mage for example this stat mage matk 5k , pdef 3.1k , hp 12k and the archer stat is patk 4.3k , mdef 2k , hp 13k ... if u talk about crystal saga i nvr play it

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  • speeds16
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    Originally posted by terayaki2 View Post
    hmm then stat wasnt important in the game at all ?
    and i didnt see the rating of 1.5 for matk and 1.0 for patk ...
    since when i say im a cash user ?
    im talking bout this for other mage behalf , yea the fact is archer op
    - Learn how to use a Wikipedia, there are more topics, here's for Matk being 1.05 calculation: http://wartune.wikia.com/wiki/Statistics
    - you're the one complaining about archers killing 'cashers', on top of that you referred to yourself several times being the victim. 1 + 1 equals 2 right? Not to mention the fact you made an example using your own stats and that of a ranger.

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  • terayaki2
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    hmm then stat wasnt important in the game at all ?
    and i didnt see the rating of 1.5 for matk and 1.0 for patk ...
    since when i say im a cash user ?
    im talking bout this for other mage behalf , yea the fact is archer op

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  • speeds16
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    Originally posted by terayaki2 View Post
    yea , gotta admit i dont like math at all.
    u dont like my emote ? or is it annoy you ?
    what we talking here is not about math , its about unfairness derp , mage invest a lot and many of them cash user while free user archer own em
    If you don't like math don't complain about Battle ratings. It is like complaining about a building having supportingbeams because they're in the way but refusing to see that they are what the building keeps up.

    And actually we were talking about math because since you whined about lower battle ratings beating your bum, I had to explain why lower ratings are beating you.
    I am a 'free user' on Crystal Saga and I still kill cashers. Investing money doesn't make you immortal, you'll have to deal with that fact.

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  • terayaki2
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    Originally posted by smurfs16 View Post
    Since you're completely ignorant of any math in this game: http://wartune.wikia.com/wiki/Choosing_Equipment

    Read it and then get back to me with more monkey-pics
    yea , gotta admit i dont like math at all
    u dont like my emote ? or is it annoy you ?
    what we talking here is not about math , its about unfairness derp , mage invest a lot and many of them cash user while free user archer own em

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  • smurfs16
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    Originally posted by terayaki2 View Post
    u can speak bcoz ur not in our place , 4.5k matk mage with 3.1k pdef against archer 4.3k patk and 2.3kmdef, my hp 12k and his hp 13k+ , so how u calculate this ? mage matk/2 and pdef/2 ? and yeah he got 900 crit
    Since you're completely ignorant of any math in this game: http://wartune.wikia.com/wiki/Choosing_Equipment

    Read it and then get back to me with more monkey-pics

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  • terayaki2
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    Originally posted by smurfs16 View Post
    Actually I can.

    Here is how Battle rating is rated:
    "Battle Rating

    Your battle rating is determined by adding all of your battle stats together, but with Magical Attack multiplied by 1.05 (and rounded down), and HP divided by 5 (and rounded down). This value is shown to other players, and is intended to give a rough idea of how powerful you are. "


    In short, Mages have Magical Attack, that get's 1.05 multiply. Phys atk get's 1.00. Meaning a mage and archer of same atk: mage has higher rating.
    [insert monkey-rant about archer's hp]
    Most mages have around equal HP as archers, learn invest in your astrals, guild skills or Academy.
    u can speak bcoz ur not in our place , 5k matk mage with 3.1k pdef against archer 4.3k patk and 2.3kmdef, my hp 12k and his hp 13k+ , so how u calculate this ? mage matk/2 and pdef/2 ? and yeah he got 900 crit
    Last edited by terayaki2; 09-04-2012, 07:49 AM. Reason: actually im 5k matk o.o

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  • smurfs16
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    Originally posted by terayaki2 View Post
    so can u tell how the hell a low battle rate can kill 3k higher battle rate ?
    Actually I can.

    Here is how Battle rating is rated:
    "Battle Rating

    Your battle rating is determined by adding all of your battle stats together, but with Magical Attack multiplied by 1.05 (and rounded down), and HP divided by 5 (and rounded down). This value is shown to other players, and is intended to give a rough idea of how powerful you are. "


    In short, Mages have Magical Attack, that get's 1.05 multiply. Phys atk get's 1.00. Meaning a mage and archer of same atk: mage has higher rating.
    [insert monkey-rant about archer's hp]
    Most mages have around equal HP as archers, learn invest in your astrals, guild skills or Academy.

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  • terayaki2
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    Originally posted by IronSights View Post
    another thread about archers being OP *sigh* the nothing wrong with the multi-shot its not OP i suggest people learn to play the char and start to invest better into tech, guild skills and astrals. and yes im a archer but i rarely use multi-shot in 1 vs 1 duels, because i have invested well so far i just spam arrow strike untill i have enough to pop delphic snipe which usually crits around 10k-12k and then its all over, and i cant comment on other servers but on worg their are some extremely well built mages and knights that most archers will have a problem with, stop all this moaning and trying to get a archer nerfed because you cant play you char :P

    thats my little rant for the day over
    so can u tell how the hell a low battle rate can kill 3k higher battle rate ?
    stop that invest ** if u dunno how much ppl had invest , the difference between arhcer and mage was too far ...
    u say u not use multi-shot at all ? nice lie
    then give a reason how much i have invest to make 17k+ battle rate while 14k battle rate archer can kill me
    dont judge ppl dunno to play their char , every mage got this problem

    Originally posted by smurfs16 View Post
    Haters gonna hate: Rangers are meant to be 1v1, mages can heal your damn troops, get troops with high HP and cast that group regen, work on troop count and hp and voila: it's like 3 people are standing there.

    Mages are PvE/ Vs. groups. Ever checked your catacombs highscores? top5 here all priest and first other class you encounter is a knight.
    Rangers are PvP/ Vs. single targets. Even the Special skill is either single target or 2-4 targets randomly, forgetting some fights have 6 mobs.

    Also it is hard to take someone seriously with all those monkeybusiness going on..
    derp , heal troops ?
    hmm , i only see 20% archer use aoe skill and come check S1 catacomb ranking+their battle rate before u said that thing bout catacomb
    Last edited by VicZar; 09-04-2012, 07:54 AM. Reason: merge

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  • smurfs16
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    Haters gonna hate: Rangers are meant to be 1v1, mages can heal your damn troops, get troops with high HP and cast that group regen, work on troop count and hp and voila: it's like 3 people are standing there.

    Mages are PvE/ Vs. groups. Ever checked your catacombs highscores? top5 here all priest and first other class you encounter is a knight.
    Rangers are PvP/ Vs. single targets. Even the Special skill is either single target or 2-4 targets randomly, forgetting some fights have 6 mobs.

    Also it is hard to take someone seriously with all those monkeybusiness going on..

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  • ProNab
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    Originally posted by terayaki2
    that double shot seems more better than mage cd bcoz its low cd , high damage , sure crit , low rage ... and if talk about def , screw that , mage def was low too , lower than warrior pdef and archer def was so balance
    ^ as a mage i will agree, even at k 1.9k pdef (lv.33) an archer the same lv. with around 3.3k atk can still get in 2 crit shots @ about 1.3k-1.6k x2 (god if it wasn't for my pdef), they have high hp (don't deny it) and pdef close to a knight's (don't deny this either) and most often work on their mdef to ward of mages...so again lets face "Facts"....Twin shot of a ranger is,,,,Low Cost On Rage/Low CD/100% Crit/Hits 2 times not to mention their upcoming next turn atk) when they get their shots in that's what?...nearly 3k or over for dmg? good god and it can be spammed?...I can very well see how it's not Op AT ALL. (Not Complaining as i can handle myself well against archers, griffins at backrow and me in front row make sure of that) simply stating "Facts" not many will just admit when the proof is right there, It's like eating My darn Cookie and saying you didn't while your mouth and clothes are covered in cookie crumbs -.-

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  • IronSights
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    another thread about archers being OP *sigh* the nothing wrong with the multi-shot its not OP i suggest people learn to play the char and start to invest better into tech, guild skills and astrals. and yes im a archer but i rarely use multi-shot in 1 vs 1 duels, because i have invested well so far i just spam arrow strike untill i have enough to pop delphic snipe which usually crits around 10k-12k and then its all over, and i cant comment on other servers but on worg their are some extremely well built mages and knights that most archers will have a problem with, stop all this moaning and trying to get a archer nerfed because you cant play you char :P

    thats my little rant for the day over

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  • terayaki2
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    i knew it lot of ppl wont agree , since most of you all archer
    but in arena how the hell 14k battle rate below can easily a mage with 17k battle rate ?

    Originally posted by coroxt View Post
    or at least adjust the casting time skill for mage a lil bit..
    that double shot seems more better than mage cd bcoz its low cd , high damage , sure crit , low rage ... and if talk about def , screw that , mage def was low too , lower than warrior pdef and archer def was so balance
    Last edited by VicZar; 09-04-2012, 07:54 AM. Reason: merge

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  • Chompman
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    The problem is you are comparing only one event, the world boss and that is where the knights shine against one target.

    You need to compare everything to be fair as mages rock large groups and are great in group pvp and knights are the best tanks.

    Yes the skill crits each time but guess what... the damage on it is half of the normal damage to balance it out.

    Originally posted by Hyorinmaru6 View Post
    well i agree to 1 point because most of the top 10 hitters are archers but archers are critical damage type and lets face it they are squishies if u don't have a good defense or a high HP their main efense is their critical attacks also they need high rage in order to be strong but sometimes the archers get 2 turns which tick me off cause when i fight them and almost kill them they get the annoying second shot and i end up dead so it would be nice if they were given only 1 **** and after that all skills will be disabled till they are attacked also it would be good if its implemented for all class so it will not make it unfair
    The double attack is something based on the attack timer as generally it's a base attack, no skills used, and this happens for all classes in the duel.
    Last edited by VicZar; 09-04-2012, 07:53 AM. Reason: merge

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