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  • Mursilis
    started a topic Seeking Astral Advice

    Seeking Astral Advice

    So I've come into possession of a few purple/orange Astrals and I'm not quite sure how useful they would be. For clarity's sake, I'm a level 36 Archer. The Astrals are:

    Soul of Grace Lv. 1
    EXP 0/150
    Disables crit damage when attacking, but damage is increased by 5%

    Killer's Determination Lv. 1
    EXP 0/100
    Crit base damage increased by 3%

    Prophet's Guard Lv. 1
    EXP 0/100
    Chance of receiving crit reduced by -3%

    Unbending Will Lv. 2
    EXP 350/600
    10% Chance to gain 400 HP when attacking

    My thoughts on them are as follows:
    Soul of Grace - As an Archer I seem to critical fairly often, so I have the impression this would lower my average damage in a drawn out fight. Probably should be fed to another Astral.

    Killer's Determination - This one I could see using. Only issue I have atm is that 3% is a small amount, and since I don't do huge amounts of damage to begin with, I don't see any currently used Astrals (HP, PATK, PDEF) I could replace it with. Maybe something to hang onto for future open slots and upgrade it to increase the %.

    Prophet's Guard - Similar to Killer's Determination, not something to be used yet but maybe for the future.

    Unbending Will - I haven't used this one yet, but if I'm reading this right this would be 400 HP healing chance per hit? Decent, but since I get hit for more than that each round this would need some serious upgrading to be effective. So I'm on the fence on whether to keep this one or just feed it to another Astral.

    One of my issues is space, I can't hold onto all of these and hope to keep rolling for more Astrals. I already have a few others in storage (Block, Critical, MDEF), so only have 1 slot free atm for upgrading any of the current ones. So am I off base on my understanding of the usefulness of these Astrals? Any suggestions as to which would work out best and which I could use as food for the others?

    Thanks.

  • autlos
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    Agreed, that would make them more useful, but sooner or later, someone, somewhere is gonna complain that it will be overpowered, asking for a nerf, so back to the static 10% it is. Ahh, the life of a player

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  • Bachus77
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    I found one of these healing astrals and yes...they suck. 10% chance is low and it doesn't activate too often. Would be nice if the % went up with each astral level up....even if it was 1-2% per level up.

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  • autlos
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    Well yeah I know, at lower levels its enough, but when youre gonna compete for that first rank in arenas, then +PATK, +Crit Rate, and +Crit Damage, forget the defense, kill em first

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  • SEPPO86
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    Originally posted by autlos View Post
    I personally keep to defensive astrals. HP, PDEF, MDEF, cause c'mon, archers have enough damage, they'll sustain without a PATK astral
    You NEVER have enough damage, you can always use more. Currently running with p.atk, p.def, m.def and hp astrals, all purples lvl 4-5, p.atk almost at lvl 6. At lvl 50 I'm going to throw in a critical astral, either "critical base damage increased by x%" or "critical+ x amount", since critical stat increases critical damage done on top of critical rate.

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  • autlos
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    Lol oh no, the double post was meant for me, in other forums they dislike double post(a post right after another in a short period of time).

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  • crimsonrose37
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    Originally posted by R23205900 View Post
    I appreciate the response, but can anyone provide a little more detail as to the level? I have a level 24 knight, and I can't swear to it, but I thought I saw another class at the same level with astrals. If it has nothing to do with class, then can the exact level be provided as to when the astral panel becomes available? I'm just looking for a concise, definitive answer so in the event the question comes up while in-game, I would be able to help another player.

    Not sure if the 'double-post' was directed at me, but if you check my profile, this will make only my fourth distinct post.
    If I'm not mistaken, astrals should be available to you at level 25 or 26. At level 35, the soul engraving system will open up.

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  • autlos
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    I personally keep to defensive astrals. HP, PDEF, MDEF, cause c'mon, archers have enough damage, they'll sustain without a PATK astral

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  • R23078284
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    i personally think this is a good archer setup.

    astrals = patk, crit, crit damage (optional to substitute crit dmg for mdef)

    all gems = hp, pdef, patk (optional to substitute patk for mdef)

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  • autlos
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    Originally posted by R23078284 View Post
    i have goddess touch level 3 (10% to heal 1200 hp) and it sucks. 1 full run of bloodlands, it proc 5 times. useless, im an archer too btw
    There you go, proof

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  • R23078284
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    i have goddess touch level 3 (10% to heal 1200 hp) and it sucks. 1 full run of bloodlands, it proc 5 times. useless, im an archer too btw

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  • autlos
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    Originally posted by Bachus77 View Post
    The amount of HP heals goes up, 10% stays. (Level 1 is 10% for 200 HP, Level 2 is 10% for 400 HP....we'll assume it's 10%/800 for Level 4 )

    What is the max level for Astrals? I think it's 5? Not sure.
    Thanks for the confirmation, but still either way, if level 5 is 1000hp heal 9 turns till a 1000 hp heal is not enough. Totally not worth it. And @Mursilis I completely agree. I guess its better to stick with the basic PATK, PDEF, MATK, or MDEF astrals, imo.
    Last edited by autlos; 09-05-2012, 01:18 PM.

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  • Mursilis
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    Originally posted by autlos View Post
    It isn't too bad, but you risk it not proccing at 9/10 shots and in that case, the heal it gives does not make up for the damage you take in those 9 turns

    I don't know how that astral levels up, if it's either +% or +amount it heals
    So far it's been the amount of HP that increases, it's always been at 10% chance. And this was my dilemma, even if I were to multi hit every round, that's still only healing my character once every 5 rounds on average. A defensive Astral would have more chances to be useful, as was mentioned above.

    Seems Soul of Grace is as useless as I thought. I can see the point about Prophet's Guard. -3% chance is rather low and I'd rather have PDEF or MDEF instead since those will always be in effect.

    Leaning towards keeping Prophet's Guard and feeding the rest into my already in use Astrals.

    @R23205900: I can't recall when (as in which level) Astrals became available, but it will be the world looking icon in your bottom taskbar. Just click it and you pay gold for the chance to obtain an Astral. I don't believe class matters in terms of when/if you can use Astrals, should be the same for everyone.

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  • Bachus77
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    Originally posted by autlos View Post
    It isn't too bad, but you risk it not proccing at 9/10 shots and in that case, the heal it gives does not make up for the damage you take in those 9 turns

    I don't know how that astral levels up, if it's either +% or +amount it heals
    The amount of HP heals goes up, 10% stays. (Level 1 is 10% for 200 HP, Level 2 is 10% for 400 HP....we'll assume it's 10%/800 for Level 4 )

    What is the max level for Astrals? I think it's 5? Not sure.

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  • R23205900
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    Originally posted by autlos View Post
    Double post but whatever, in game gold, astral opens to you at a higher level.
    I appreciate the response, but can anyone provide a little more detail as to the level? I have a level 24 knight, and I can't swear to it, but I thought I saw another class at the same level with astrals. If it has nothing to do with class, then can the exact level be provided as to when the astral panel becomes available? I'm just looking for a concise, definitive answer so in the event the question comes up while in-game, I would be able to help another player.

    Not sure if the 'double-post' was directed at me, but if you check my profile, this will make only my fourth distinct post.

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