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[mageheal50]

Archer (meaning I have an extra 20 percent chance of critting due to passive on top of the 6200 crit)

the 20% crit passive skill is for crit value only. It has made your crit 6200, otherwise it will be 5167. So, no extra 20 percent chance from that Passive Skill.

[IggyBousse]

We missed here one factU focus on my thunderers,but bolts crit 4-5/10 so my overall rate is not that big And i talk only aBout wb,i just switch tooday to crit so hard to say wut rate i have in pve/pvp but i guess your will be here higherdont panic^^

I focused on every skill, and not just WB, and not just you, but in general, even with people I play. That thunderer just came up as an example since you mentioned it .

[miQQQs]

Nop lvl 6. takes me ages to get those, don't know how people do it, now I need lvl 7.
Astral is 7 too.

In the end yeh, I'll raise it, but who says by the time I have it at 7-8k, we won't be nerfed again, just seeing that new patch in april is scaring me....

We missed here one factU focus on my thunderers,but bolts crit 4-5/10 so my overall rate is not that big And i talk only aBout wb,i just switch tooday to crit so hard to say wut rate i have in pve/pvp but i guess your will be here higherdont panic^^

[darrylch]

And to be honest darrylch, if you think that way as a mage, how do you think us archers feel being the crit class?

Oh, my bad. I was referring to WB and not on PVE and PVP. My friend (7k crit archer) and i (6.5k crit mage) are doing good on both pvp and pve. But when it comes to WB, the rate is just inaccurate. So yup.. my friend QQ alot being an archer with 7k + skill's crit rate and don't crit alot on WB so i feel ya.

[IggyBousse]

Iggy, i will be rly glad if will be some way to help u, but isn't
U have some v7 gems?

Nop lvl 6. takes me ages to get those, don't know how people do it, now I need lvl 7.
Astral is 7 too.

In the end yeh, I'll raise it, but who says by the time I have it at 7-8k, we won't be nerfed again, just seeing that new patch in april is scaring me....

[miQQQs]

Yeh so basically gimp archer so much, its more viable being any other class in the end, nice solution...

Iggy, i will be rly glad if will be some way to help u, but isn't
U have some v7 gems?

[IggyBousse]

Want solution? Just rise up your critU cant do nothing more...
If u wanna blame someone, blame insane crit stats on china wt. So 7r must nerf crit rate over and over to keep it as target And gain cash from it

Yeh so basically gimp archer so much, its more viable being any other class in the end, nice solution...

I hope the mods have enough reading material here to understand we need some love ya?

[miQQQs]

Want solution? Just rise up your critU cant do nothing more...
If u wanna blame someone, blame insane crit stats on china wt. So 7r must nerf crit rate over and over to keep it as target And gain cash from it

[IggyBousse]

Archer (meaning I have an extra 20 percent chance of critting due to passive on top of the 6200 crit) lvl 74 105k BR shouldn't have such a low crit proc.
Some skills have an extra crit chance but don't crit that much extra at all either (wrong skill description maybe, wouldn't be the first).

Mages/knights don't have the crit chance anywhere but the stat itself (and Gaia if awakened, but purely for Gaia skills), no talents or skills, so why don't we crit more? What are we missing? And thats what I'd like to know...

My insinuation is that we needed 6000 +/- crit when sylphs and such weren't here. Now with all these implementations, all our stats were boosted by a ton, but crit remained the same.
So where you used to need 6000 at 80K BR or smth, you would now need 7-8k. Which is completely unfair to archers because getting there is a terrible long journey.

Just an insinuation that last part, but if true, we need a crit buff, because this is an unfair disadvantage.

Now what I don't understand is why mages/knights have an equal or higher crit rate while having equal stats/crit (AnataOFAkku has less crit, higher stats even). We should be doing more even when gimped but we don't.

And to be honest darrylch, if you think that way as a mage, how do you think us archers feel being the crit class?

[darrylch]

I'm a mage with 6.5k crit and i must say it doesn't crit as much as you think it would. Sometimes it can be good, sometimes it's just a pain to not crit at all even with that high rate. Believe it or not, that's up to you though.

[IggyBousse]

If mage can get with v8 or 9 crit astro and v7 gems 7.5k crit...what is a problem to get that for archer?
I will be 6.5k crit mage soon when i end rafines,thats with only 4x v7 gems and 4x v6 so with your passive i can make 8k crit lol

It doesn't matter does it? You still crit more with less, that by itself is a problem, the fact is archers are the crit class. Not mages, not knight (they can build crit but shouldn't do better).
Instead, it's the opposite, you even agreed saying you quit your archer because it relies on crit too much and obviously didn't give you the same benefit mage gives u now with less crit.

[miQQQs]

That's absurd... That means getting my gems to lvl 8-9 and my crit astral maxed, just to have a good chance to crit as an archer.
Nobody can do that, unless you cash very heavy.

AND even then you're not giving me any assurance.
People told me 6000+ is enough, others say it's too much, and in both cases it didn't go well...
I really just like to know how to build my crit because honestly, being the crit class, while critting less than the other classes, is just plain wrong.

If mage can get with v8 or 9 crit astro and v7 gems 7.5k crit...what is a problem to get that for archer?
I will be 6.5k crit mage soon when i end rafines,thats with only 4x v7 gems and 4x v6 so with your passive i can make 8k crit lol

[IggyBousse]

Up your crit to 7-7.5k and will be better

That's absurd... That means getting my gems to lvl 8-9 and my crit astral maxed, just to have a good chance to crit as an archer.
Nobody can do that, unless you cash very heavy.

AND even then you're not giving me any assurance.
People told me 6000+ is enough, others say it's too much, and in both cases it didn't go well...
I really just like to know how to build my crit because honestly, being the crit class, while critting less than the other classes, is just plain wrong.

And from your previous post:

Other thing is,from my obserwation, archers must just get much more crit then mage or knight coz of 20% passive to crit...i guess china devs make it like that but this is Only speculation

You don't see that as gimping the archer for what it should be, hell if you crit less than any other class, why play archer?

[miQQQs]

If you have 9/10 chance on critting with thunderer with 5.5k crit, whats the difference between that and AP, both no extra crit chance? Not to mention as an archer I have more chance to crit anyway.
I don't know how to explain further anymore, I mean come on, you just proved the need for info on crit.

And it's not just AP, skills like AS/IS/DF suffer too, just a little less. Only skill we know is a good crit skill is MS (obviously ).

Up your crit to 7-7.5k and will be better

[IggyBousse]

I guess you say aBout ap rate?
U dont have there passive rate bonus like as or ds have.
Other thing is,from my obserwation, archers must just get much more crit then mage or knight coz of 20% passive to crit...i guess china devs make it like that but this is Only speculation
Thats why i stop play as archer...to many depends on crit...now i'm crit mage and feel good with it

If you have 9/10 chance on critting with thunderer with 5.5k crit, whats the difference between that and AP, both no extra crit chance? Not to mention as an archer I have more chance to crit anyway.
I don't know how to explain further anymore, I mean come on, you just proved the need for info on crit.

And it's not just AP, skills like AS/IS/DF suffer too, just a little less. Only skill we know is a good crit skill is MS (obviously ).