only for r2 staff

[IggyBousse]

R2 does not release calculations for game mechanics, but players have been good about figuring things out, I think it's best if you allow them to answer because with their input you might get an answer, without it, you definitely wont.

That's laughable. Game is too old for info like this still being unknown. No matter how people try to calculate it, it's always wrong. Something is wrong with crit, hence the reason people are trying to get an answer out of r2.
(But we all know how well they communicate with us....)

[Greenfireflygirl]

That's fair then, if anyone wants to work out the calculations, and show they're not working, I'd be happy to send it in as a bug. They won't release the calculations, but if you give it to them and say it's broken, they definitely will look at it, especially if the work of proving it is done for them. I know I'm not one to do the calculations, but players definitely are good at it, so go to it, and we'll send it in for you.

[IggyBousse]

That's fair then, if anyone wants to work out the calculations, and show they're not working, I'd be happy to send it in as a bug. They won't release the calculations, but if you give it to them and say it's broken, they definitely will look at it, especially if the work of proving it is done for them. I know I'm not one to do the calculations, but players definitely are good at it, so go to it, and we'll send it in for you.

You're contradicting yourself. We don't know the calculation, how could we know and/or send it to you. There has been speculations, but none correct.
If we knew what the correct calculation was THEN we could decide if it's bugged or not, BUT WE DON'T and many tried.

Also, here is the info page on Wartune:

http://wartune.r2games.com/guide

Where does it give any info on stats? Kind of basic no?

[liquid_oxygen]

Something is wrong with crit, hence the reason people are trying to get an answer out of r2.

If we knew what the correct calculation was THEN we could decide if it's bugged or not

contradiction??

[IggyBousse]

contradiction??

That's not a contradiction, something is wrong with crit, we just don't know what because no matter what we do it's always off, I didn't say bugged, could be crit works differently than we thought.
But Greenfireflygirl mentions it then could be a bug and we should tell you guys, then I replied how could we know?

We don't even know what crit does completely, one says it increases crit chance, others say it increases crit chance and damage.
Calculating doesn't seem to work well either. And as I said, the guide page of Wartune doesn't share anything on stats.

SO HOW CAN WE KNOW FOR SURE HOW TO BUILD CRIT?

Just an example, with the info I've been given over time with crit and followed, I ended doing my WB yesterday critting it 20 percent of the time. 105k BR, 6200 crit.
One calculation says thats 60 percent chance, other says its 90 percent chance, in the end I do 20 percent crits on all my hits. You don't think that needs to be adressed?
We are building blind here, and especially for archers who are pure crit build and even knights, who are a block build, this kind of non-info is very damaging.

[miQQQs]

Ehh...big deal with crit calc...
V10 crit astro, 80v se, crit rafine 10v and 8 x v9 crit gem... And u have maxed crit rate
Its funny see archers with 6k+ crit complain aBout rate on wb, my thunderer hits crit 9/10 with 5.5k crit^^

[liquid_oxygen]

cant say something is wrong with crit if you dont know how it works.

could be right but you think it is off.

[IggyBousse]

Ehh...big deal with crit calc...
V10 crit astro, 80v se, crit rafine 10v and 8 x v9 crit gem... And u have maxed crit rate
Its funny see archers with 6k+ crit complain aBout rate on wb, my thunderer hits crit 9/10 with 5.5k crit^^

Here's another example, why does he crit more than me? I'm the crit class, having more crit, less BR, lower level...
Isn't this proof enough something is off?

could be right but you think it is off.

Would be nice if we actually had ANY INFO on crit...

[miQQQs]

Here's another example, why does he crit more than me? I'm the crit class, having more crit, less BR, lower level...
Isn't this proof enough something is off?

I lower my br for wb allways

[IggyBousse]

I lower my br for wb allways

I tried that, removed rings, astrals, no change. Trust me I tried everything, but my crit chance is just not good.

[miQQQs]

I tried that, removed rings, astrals, no change. Trust me I tried everything, but my crit chance is just not good.

I guess you say aBout ap rate?
U dont have there passive rate bonus like as or ds have.
Other thing is,from my obserwation, archers must just get much more crit then mage or knight coz of 20% passive to crit...i guess china devs make it like that but this is Only speculation
Thats why i stop play as archer...to many depends on crit...now i'm crit mage and feel good with it

[IggyBousse]

I guess you say aBout ap rate?
U dont have there passive rate bonus like as or ds have.
Other thing is,from my obserwation, archers must just get much more crit then mage or knight coz of 20% passive to crit...i guess china devs make it like that but this is Only speculation
Thats why i stop play as archer...to many depends on crit...now i'm crit mage and feel good with it

If you have 9/10 chance on critting with thunderer with 5.5k crit, whats the difference between that and AP, both no extra crit chance? Not to mention as an archer I have more chance to crit anyway.
I don't know how to explain further anymore, I mean come on, you just proved the need for info on crit.

And it's not just AP, skills like AS/IS/DF suffer too, just a little less. Only skill we know is a good crit skill is MS (obviously ).

[miQQQs]

If you have 9/10 chance on critting with thunderer with 5.5k crit, whats the difference between that and AP, both no extra crit chance? Not to mention as an archer I have more chance to crit anyway.
I don't know how to explain further anymore, I mean come on, you just proved the need for info on crit.

And it's not just AP, skills like AS/IS/DF suffer too, just a little less. Only skill we know is a good crit skill is MS (obviously ).

Up your crit to 7-7.5k and will be better

[IggyBousse]

Up your crit to 7-7.5k and will be better

That's absurd... That means getting my gems to lvl 8-9 and my crit astral maxed, just to have a good chance to crit as an archer.
Nobody can do that, unless you cash very heavy.

AND even then you're not giving me any assurance.
People told me 6000+ is enough, others say it's too much, and in both cases it didn't go well...
I really just like to know how to build my crit because honestly, being the crit class, while critting less than the other classes, is just plain wrong.

And from your previous post:

Other thing is,from my obserwation, archers must just get much more crit then mage or knight coz of 20% passive to crit...i guess china devs make it like that but this is Only speculation

You don't see that as gimping the archer for what it should be, hell if you crit less than any other class, why play archer?

[miQQQs]

That's absurd... That means getting my gems to lvl 8-9 and my crit astral maxed, just to have a good chance to crit as an archer.
Nobody can do that, unless you cash very heavy.

AND even then you're not giving me any assurance.
People told me 6000+ is enough, others say it's too much, and in both cases it didn't go well...
I really just like to know how to build my crit because honestly, being the crit class, while critting less than the other classes, is just plain wrong.

If mage can get with v8 or 9 crit astro and v7 gems 7.5k crit...what is a problem to get that for archer?
I will be 6.5k crit mage soon when i end rafines,thats with only 4x v7 gems and 4x v6 so with your passive i can make 8k crit lol