Cashing and Cashers:

[Chris419]

I know I am a casher. I freely admit to buying things in game. It's the insinuation of being a lesser player, less skilled, ruining mine and my families lives because I play a game, spending more than I can afford, or is sensible and the other myriad of insults all combined with that.

It's this casual use and acceptance of that insult that frustrates me.

So you admit you're a casher but are upset because people are calling you what you freely admit and call yourself? Do you have any complaints with other people using free loader? Because I'm certain the non-cashers do not see themselves like that but it's also used to insult.

[GingerTheHutt]

So you admit you're a casher but are upset because people are calling you what you freely admit and call yourself? Do you have any complaints with other people using free loader? Because I'm certain the non-cashers do not see themselves like that but it's also used to insult.

It's not the word, it's the intent behind it.

I also apologised if any non cashers found this threads opening post and my choice of words to be insulting.

I would also like to apologise in part for this thread. I said some things in the OP, which players who choose not to, or are unable to cash may have found insulting. So for those who found my rant to be off piste, my sincere apologies. It was not my intent to offend.

[mageheal50]

while it's true that we can ignore those crybabies,, sometime i just can't accept it,, just only because i use some cash, i used average of 3k balens / month. i got called casher this casher that and bla bla and so on.. BY some noob newcomer idiot with low BR, horrible character that think their self great or something just because they don't use cash, and i can kill him (lvl 55-59) with my non-cash little toon on lvl 49. it's just.. they never saw our hard work just because of some cash and VIP why don't they learn a little on how to play this game.. sometime, yeah.. even a VIP player with wing called a non-cash player a casher,, ioh man they're all screwed, messed, ****** up in the head for sure,, they don't even have a little brain to think 1st, just blurting sh l t everywhere and they think they're right,, back again, just because they don't use cash .. yeah u could be proud if u don't use cash and u're strong, but if u're weak, nothing to be proud just because u don't use cash..
if u think ur good enough come at me at BG with no dryad

even if i saw your hard work, i won't say it to you when you kill me. You are indeed a casher and deserved to be called one. Why the hell would you even expect to be praised by someone you just killed? There's also nothing great at staying at a level bracket too long. It's just like cashing, an easy win.

[SilentSii]

When did anyone say something about being praised ? But yu could have the attitude to just not blame the other one for being weaker then him no matter if for cash, slow leveling or whatever. and being aginst slow leveling AND cashing just means you ll always be an easy target at BG and not do that great in arenas.

Staying at a braccket for long not just is best to raise strength in that bracket and dominate there. It s really nice too meet same people frequently and somehow make friends with them. And it s just easy win against the vast majority that doesn t slow level or cash excessively, with the others you can have the best of fights ever.

Not just shows the whining how bad of a looser you are when doing so after getting smacked into the ground, but will most likely encourage the one you hating on, for being stronger then you, to just go and kill you again over and over so the whining at least ends being justified.

[Deeelinquent]

Staying at a braccket for long not just is best to raise strength in that bracket and dominate there. It s really nice too meet same people frequently and somehow make friends with them. And it s just easy win against the vast majority that doesn t slow level or cash excessively, with the others you can have the best of fights ever.

+ 1000 and that is all!

[qphantom]

Again, everything in life is cash to win. The economics of this game is a reflection on real life. Life is not balanced, learn to deal with it. IF being #1 in Wartune is your goal, the easiest way is not to play longer and complete your 200 circuit quests. The easiest way is to get a better job, make more money, and cash harder.

If you lose a drag race, are you going to whine to the guy who beat you because he has a better car?
If your friend gets better grades than you at school, are you going to whine and say that he has a $2mil apartment to study in and can afford tutors while you are stuck in a dorm room?

The examples can go on. This game is NOT supposed to be balanced in the first place by design. If you're looking for a leveled playing field, you're playing the wrong game.

i'm sorry but your spiel about how cash as the solution to everything is just idiotic. secondly, your "life is not fair" bit is pointless. if u don't want a balanced game then u can never complain about anything like getting banned because they "felt like it" - deal with it, life isn't fair. hence, your "point" is meaningless

[mageheal50]

Meeting friends eh? it's about the same in regular leveling, u meet the same regular levelers. Making friends with them depends on your personality, because some slow levelers ends up being most hated by another slow leveler. Having a good fight really depends on the people u see in BG, the more same BR player inside, the better the fights!

[Tranc3motion]

i'm sorry but your spiel about how cash as the solution to everything is just idiotic. secondly, your "life is not fair" bit is pointless. if u don't want a balanced game then u can never complain about anything like getting banned because they "felt like it" - deal with it, life isn't fair. hence, your "point" is meaningless

The only comments you have given is that its dumb to think that life is cash to win, but yet you can't seem to provide any examples of why it isn't.

What does getting banned have anything to do with whether a game is balanced around cashing or not? Your argument is completely flawed.

And actually, they can ban you without a reason.

[winlord]

I am called a casher at least 5 times per BG, just take it lightly.

[Tranc3motion]

even if i saw your hard work, i won't say it to you when you kill me. You are indeed a casher and deserved to be called one. Why the hell would you even expect to be praised by someone you just killed? There's also nothing great at staying at a level bracket too long. It's just like cashing, an easy win.

Cashing to win is indeed easy, but what makes you think making that cash in the first place is easy?

Non cashers start the argument with, if I cashed, I could beat the cashers.
In reality, it starts with, if I HAD cash, I could cash and beat the cashers.
The leap between having cash and choosing not to cash and not having cash in the first place is kinda a big deal.

[ImSillPlain]

*waves at Sillplain and Memo*

That is all!

Oh, but Gingy is an overly sensitive noob!

*waves at u too Dee*
oh snap, i can just do it now in my server coz we're on the same server now

even if i saw your hard work, i won't say it to you when you kill me. You are indeed a casher and deserved to be called one. Why the hell would you even expect to be praised by someone you just killed? There's also nothing great at staying at a level bracket too long. It's just like cashing, an easy win.

why would i need to be praised.. i don't really care or wanted that.. do i ever said about me/us wanting to be praised
i just don't wanna hear loser's whine.. it's battle ground, a place for battle, why would u angry being killed, then whining, fighting with ur mouth instead of ur toon, just don't enter BG, don't play PVP game if u have that mentality.. lots of ppl already try to be nice by letting u cart before killing u, but still, it is not carting ground, it's battle ground!! and in battleground we fight with our toon, not with some whining loser's mouth.. really.. moreover battleground is the 1st resource in getting honor, it's made that way so ppl fight in battleground, it's not carting ground.. u whiners don't even understand that..

[qphantom]

The only comments you have given is that its dumb to think that life is cash to win, but yet you can't seem to provide any examples of why it isn't.
What does getting banned have anything to do with whether a game is balanced around cashing or not? Your argument is completely flawed.
And actually, they can ban you without a reason.

simple, many people are satisfied with a simple life style w/o the extravagance, that's a win for them. on the flip side, many wealthy people still have major life issues. even cashers lose to less-cashers. cash does not fix or win everything. it's that simple and your points are really meaningless

why is it so hard for you to follow analogies? if you're banned w/o a reason then hopefully you will think it is unfair. but based on your philosophy of "life is not fair" - you'd best suck it up

[mageheal50]

why would i need to be praised.. i don't really care or wanted that.. do i ever said about me/us wanting to be praised
i just don't wanna hear loser's whine.. it's battle ground, a place for battle, why would u angry being killed, then whining, fighting with ur mouth instead of ur toon, just don't enter BG, don't play PVP game if u have that mentality.. lots of ppl already try to be nice by letting u cart before killing u, but still, it is not carting ground, it's battle ground!! and in battleground we fight with our toon, not with some whining loser's mouth.. really.. moreover battleground is the 1st resource in getting honor, it's made that way so ppl fight in battleground, it's not carting ground.. u whiners don't even understand that..

"they never saw our hard work just because of some cash and VIP", you said. You talked like the whiner's don't see it. You talked like they only saw your cash and VIP because they called you casher. So i was thinking, you need to be praised in chat before you start thinking that the one you killed actually saw your hard work.

Also, it seems like the "whiners" are being successful at making you mad. Cuz right now you are here complaining. Why do i have a different mentality compared to you? When i kill someone, and they whine, it gives me joy. Seeing someone rage because you kill them is so much fun. Well, it's probably my experience on pvp games. I've played dota for a long time, and the community there is so hostile that the one i see in wartune is nothing compared to it. Trashtalking is a common thing in PVP games, because you make someone feel bad when you win and they lose. They want to get back at you by saying things, calling you names, making you mad. If they are successful enough, then they will feel like they got their revenge.

[akisakura]

I will throw my 2c here, bare with me.
There are few reasons why some ppl dislike "cashers", most of time the person not holding the fault that generated the hate.
First and more important reason is because R2 being bit greedy and not seeing this game as a long term investment but a quick way to "cash in, get out".
Even if most of you say life is not balanced and we should not find balance in games either, the balance can be achieved. For example, take certain in-game mounts. For a person who is willing to pay for them, the item will be instant available. For a person who dont want to pay for it, the item should be available even if you need 6 months for it. R2 preventing ppl to obtain it via non-cash creates a huge gap by leaving you no choice to be competitive unless you spend alot.
The money spent in every game should be a matter of choices, free will, not constrain (talking here about psychological constrain). This makes some ppl become frustrated, not with cashers directly but more with the image of company they reflect.
Let's recap:
-patch came and vouchers were replaced by bound balens but prices of unlocking inventory/farm, dual skills were not adjusted. For new players who want to try the game before they cash in, this is a downfall. Most of them will quit before they reach lvl 40.
-events became more and more less rewarding and more and more available just for insane amount of money. 5k $ is not pocket change if you live in Europe. And even wealthy ppl would rather spend them on smth else. Lets face it, if you are uber reach you might wanna spend 10k $ by taking a weekend in Dubai or in another luxury resort (I doubt you saw all world yet). If you choose to spend them on a browser game it might be smth wrong with your priorities bu again, is person's choice.

Another reason why ppl resent cashers is that they suport in a way the company greed. Any price R2 or whoever throws at them, they buy, never complain.Lately I started to see some of heavy cashers being disgrunted but the numbers are too low.
If the company would lower the prices maybe the rest of non cashers 300.000 players would monthly throw 20$ at the game too. But the company dont want to give out of hand the 10 players who cash over 10k $. "Quick in, quick out" mentality. I saw it before when same thing happened with Kingdom Heroes hosted by Aeria. They did and applied same policy ending by closing servers and game and moving on. So on the end the large amount of spenders there didn't managed to make the game survive. Cos not the survival of the game is at stake but as soon as a target is reach, every game is abandoned and another focused.

Third reason is because 70% of high spenders are paying for their right to be *****. I have in my guild and I know people who spent alot (5k-towards10k$) but they are still nice ppl and i love them. They don't grief lowbies in amethyst mine for a lousy 15 amethyst), they help in instances,they even carry thru tok and they never pretend that only "by their grace, money and will" other ppl can enjoy the game freely( because they are the core of it and without them game will seize to exist). But not all are same and unfortunately the help of those ppl is shaded by the behaviour of others.

There are many games that survive and prosper fine with just cosmetic items in cash shop.I also support with money this kind of games (most of them in developing and no browser). In Wartune I never cashed. I do not hate cashers (game term largely used by consent by everyone in community). The main reason why I didn't cashed was because I am a old player (not in this game but overall) and testing many games (alpha stages, close betas) and being thru the processes and industry, I see clearly what is happening here. Basicly, the game is made to have fun, is not a casino (casino games for real cash fall again under a law and wartune gets very close to legal bounderies sometimes). Another reason is because company transparency is absolutely zero.

I am testing atm to see how much a person can compete without cashing (sometimes following ******/Lavash example). Pushing my char at lvl 54 at almost 60k br (without amethyst mount yet) is decent but the higher you get the harder it is and will be.

So next time when ppl call you a "casher" using the word as a insult, think that they actually "hate" the game not the player Ofc, in case you did nothing to deserve the hate I had my moments too when I was displeased (without insulting anyone) but I realised that is futile.
I still got my plain ticket to Venice tho, for the festivalWas cheaper than a mount so the choice was blatantly obvious ;p

[Tranc3motion]

simple, many people are satisfied with a simple life style w/o the extravagance, that's a win for them. On the flip side, many wealthy people still have major life issues. Even cashers lose to less-cashers. Cash does not fix or win everything. It's that simple and your points are really meaningless

LOL, then be satisfied that noncashers will generally lose to cashers and be happy with it instead of whine about it.

Cashing in Wartune IS the extravagance. If you are happy with the simple life (not cashing and losing) then it's a win for you....

But yes, it all balances out cause we cashers have to deal with other major life issues that non cashers are immune to zzzzzzz.