The Knight Post(cuz this talk already feds up)

[R22963057]

I thnk making a good knight is just knowing how to read and understand skil build weather personal skill or guild skill..and utilizing the proper sockets and astral.and using buff potions and scrolls...

[R23248232]

[QUOTE=Skillgannon;238296]I posted this in another subject on this forum,but im placing it as new thread so all players have a chance to read it.


i could quote a lot of you guys but it would be a huge post,so best is place this way:

First and most important the idea of even touching on my dear ulti slasher is totaly idiotic,since that will seriously damage a knight later on game be pvp or pve.

Second as some one said,learn to to play with a knight,and you will suffer no problems,and i seen many players complain about how weak knights are,but then i go see their build and i almost cry seeing what they did to the knight and then try to blame the game for their incapability of building their characther.

Third,my characher of election in all games i ever played was always knight or warrior,and i never had any problems in building and becoming a very strong tank.

Fourth a knight is some what at early stage (lvl 1 to 25 maybe) weak in comparisson with the other classes,but as soon they reach lvl 30 they imidiatly(if you know how to build your knight i mean,and for what i seen 80% of the players that chose that class dont have the cluest idea how to do it)start creating problems be to archers or be to mages.

Fith is my knight stats at lvl 41:
(not all gears max enchant,nor all gear max gemed)

Patack : 4413
Pdef : 4056
Mdef : 3062
Matack : 164(for the noobs in knight build get the intelect guild skill because it adds more Mdef to your knight)
Critical : 244
Block : 903
HP : 13986

those are my current stats and im on the 70/80 duel rank,i die and win battles both in arena and battleground,and atm what i see is top archers and top mages that before would take 1/2 turns to kill me in battle,now to some takes them 6/7 turns(with their troops help) to kill me,and some of those archers and mages at the end of the battle end falling to the ground under my heavy boot stomps XD.

any one can chose a knight to play with but presently,since its much easyer to blame the game for the player lack of capacity to build a good knight,only a very few amount of players really know how to build,play and win with the knight class...
my sugestion for those that chose to blame the game instead of themselves is quit chosing knights and go for one of the easyer classes like the mages or archers.

Fact is,and it was pointed out here more then once and trust me,it IS NOT only after lvl 50+,that a knight power start to be seen.
want a proof?my MP team is composed by 2 mages,1 archer and me,the knight.
in all MP dungeons i take the front row,i get 80% of the hits by mobs and bosses,and at the end of each battle not even 75% of my hp went down.
and trust me,i deal a "nice and fair" amount of damage XD

Learn how to build your knight,stop looking at the mages and archers,and soon you will see the hard work starting to give profits.

i faced the top archer of my server a couple of days ago in battleground,and none were wearing buffs,and im talking of a very powerfull archer.
took him 5 turns to kill me,thats the archer that is always on top on world boss,thats the one on top of ranks,and he is 6 lvls higher then me,spend on his archer thousands of dollars,has his gear all gemed and buffed and enchanted,and still to a punny lvl 41 that all he ever spent on game was getting a vip and the initial bonus with 5 bucks(initial bonus that none of those jewels exist since i recycle them and never used them cuz i find them pretty much useless and missleading).

so you have a knight that spend only on vip and + 5 bucks against an archer that spend vip + countless of thousands more.

thats,using a theological example,placing David against Goliath...

and i think all know what was Goliath end lol XD

so stop with the whining,the complaints and the **
you chose a knight learn how to play with it or quit it and go for a easyer class.

Want to know what this posts start looking?the crappy conversation about the same subject that old ladies usualy have.



+10 im also a knight im jst focusing my hp & damge... bcoz i u have high hp even archers with crit cant beat u easily.. im currently in lvl 31 building nice gears & for astrals dat boost ur tank !!!

[zhadowwulff]

Hi

I am one of the highest level Knights on S1 name is Lite oh yeah also 1 of the highest Battle rate's and I can grab Arena rank #2 wen ever I feel like it(most of the time with no problem).

I got to lvl 44 with my knight on server 1(started the game in Aug a few days after game Launched)

This is what I found out about playing this Class ...

It is not a easy class to play in this game you do have to take time to think about how you want your build to be.

1. If you dont level up ur armies early and get them as high as you are(Angel's or Knights are the armies I mean). You will fail

2. If you dont add P-def and A HUGE amount of M-def ...You will fail(at the higher level game Content such as Crypt lvl 60+)

3. if you dont add the 3-4 basic Astro's to your knight...again you will fail ....the astro's each knight should have are

P-attk, M-def, Hp's, and when the 4th slot opens add P-def or Crit (I like to use Crit for World Boss fights so I switch them out)

4. get the lvl 35 Full set as SOON as possible or you will ...........say it with me...............FAIL

5. oh this is so very important dont burn thru all of you Health replinishing potions you know the 100k health or 500k health potions because as a Knight damage is costly and those potions run out very quickly,

ask the Mage you are teamed with to HEAL YOU as MUCH as Possible(ALL MAGE'S have the HEAL skills so don't forget to ask) or you will ...........FAIL

6. Yes it is possible to rank in the top 10 of World Boss as a Knight Class I have done it with my character "LITE" the archers have high crit and use plenty of balens to get those top spots so dont sweat it. the reward is not great and all they do is waste Balens on really nothing(I know I was top 10 in world boss).

Feel free to check my toon(Cartoon or Character) on s1 if you dont believe me.

I am playing on s15 now because this time zone is better for me. Same name LITE but I want to try a diff class now I been top knight so im trying out Mage now PM me in the game if you like.

I might do a guild for building your knight not sure yet ....cya in the game and have fun!




Lite s15

Mage 30x
Knight 40x
Archer.....naaaaaw....don't think so(Smile)...........

Stay in the Lite

^--------- This

But I'm afraid to say, that because all these other people can't play like you do the class is "broken" and needs to be "fixed"

Reminds me of how players couldn't think and use their heads on WoW (World of warcraft) So blizzard dumbed it down to smashing your head on the keyboard to make them happy.

I don't want to see it on this game.

[Airamody]

Hi

I am one of the highest level Knights on S1 name is Lite oh yeah also 1 of the highest Battle rate's(got to #8 out of thousands) and I can grab Arena rank #2 when ever I feel like it(most of the time with no problem).

I got to lvl 44 with my knight on server 1(started the game in Aug a few days after game Launched)

This is what I found out about playing this Class ...

It is not a easy class to play in this game you do have to take time to think about how you want your build to be.

1. If you dont level up ur armies early and get them as high as you are(Angel's or Knights are the armies I mean). You will fail

2. If you dont add P-def and A HUGE amount of M-def ...You will fail(at the higher level game Content such as Crypt lvl 60+)

3. if you dont add the 3-4 basic Astro's to your knight...again you will fail ....the astro's each knight should have are

P-attk, M-def, Hp's, and when the 4th slot opens add P-def or Crit (I like to use Crit for World Boss fights so I switch them out)

4. get the lvl 35 Full set as SOON as possible or you will ...........say it with me...............FAIL

5. oh this is so very important dont burn thru all of you Health replinishing potions you know the 100k health or 500k health potions because as a Knight damage is costly and those potions run out very quickly,

ask the Mage you are teamed with to HEAL YOU as MUCH as Possible(ALL MAGE'S have the HEAL skills so don't forget to ask) or you will ...........FAIL

6. Yes it is possible to rank in the top 10 of World Boss as a Knight Class I have done it with my character "LITE" the archers have high crit and use plenty of balens to get those top spots so dont sweat it. the reward is not great and all they do is waste Balens on really nothing(I know I was top 10 in world boss).

Feel free to check my toon(Cartoon or Character) on s1 if you dont believe me.

I am playing on s15 now because this time zone is better for me. Same name LITE but I want to try a diff class now I been a top knight(rank #8) so im trying out Mage now PM me in the game if you like.

I may do a guide for building your knight(if players want me too) not sure yet ....cya in the game and have fun!




Lite s15

Mage 30x
Knight 40x
Archer.....naaaaaw....don't think so(Smile)...........

Stay in the Lite

[zhadowwulff]

hey buddy thats great you can define a class from another game like everquest, and wow where a tank is required at high levels. Guess what... this isnt wow... or eq... We are knights, not tanks. you dont even need a tank for multiplayer. A group of archers and mages with aoe dominates all MP dungeons. Knights have no place in this game currently. The idea that a tank is needed in this game is retarded. Knight need to be redesigned. Get a grip on reality chump.

So what I see here is a lvl 3x talking about how hes "beaten" this game all the way up to lvl 80.
Well sir I tip my hat to you. I'm glad to see a lvl 80 knight that knows the end game content and how bad said classes are.

lol all I see is a fail troll who is mad that they suck at the game.

[Teralitha]

Tell me more about how you are lvl 50-60
Also, my server Rank 1 = mage
I guess you never did read anything about knights being something called tanks.

TANK : (n) To be able to take vasts amount of damage in support of other squishier characters.
sorry bro. Your not damage, you never will be. Don't pick a tank and then expect to dish out damage. Its stupid. And childish to whine about it.

hey buddy thats great you can define a class from another game like everquest, and wow where a tank is required at high levels. Guess what... this isnt wow... or eq... We are knights, not tanks. you dont even need a tank for multiplayer. A group of archers and mages with aoe dominates all MP dungeons. Knights have no place in this game currently. The idea that a tank is needed in this game is retarded. Knight need to be redesigned. Get a grip on reality chump.

[grayhatter]

FD was made for knights mainly altought mages can use it,and it sucks with archers.

basicaly FD will give to the knight something similar to what the archers have in their atack ability

FD and was tried by a knight on my server altought he doesnt play anymore due to RL problems,FD is a passive skill that will allow the knight,based on his critical + atack base damage to do something similar to the archer,giving the knight the chance of altought not constant critical hits,giving 1 critical hit or 1 normal/skill atack 3x above his normal critical damage/atack damage
basicaly if your normal critical/atack hit is lets say 5000,the FD if activates will add 1000 per lvl of the astral(all depends of your mixture between atack+crit).

his results were nice,since he was being able everytime it activated to give criticals of 8k+ and normal atacks/skill atacks of 5k/6k(depending of the skill used)

Actually floating damage decreases the minimum damage and increases maximum damage.. >.>
For example, if you normally do 2000-3000 damage, you may do 1000-4000. (Keep in mind the numbers just for clarification)
The number it scales depends on the level and percentage of the astral.

[zhadowwulff]

My knight is lvl 40, some stats are about the same, most are higher.... no money spent on sockets and gems....

First off, do not tell knights with a problem to play an "easier" class. mages and archers are dps classes, while knights are not.. In a game where each class is suppose to be even, knights fall short. That is great your rank 70 and win some duel, but I am rank 1-10, and I will tell you, knights ARE gimped. People kick me out of void groups because I am a knight, in favor of another mage or archer. THAT is pathetic. I am top 10 for **** sake. Dont even tell me there is not a problem.

You say that your top archer is rank 1 in arena dn world boss. Well guess what noob, Ill bet you dollars to donuts its the same thing on every server. There IS a problem. And it needs to be acknowledged by R2 games.

Tell me more about how you are lvl 50-60
Also, my server Rank 1 = mage
I guess you never did read anything about knights being something called tanks.

TANK : (n) To be able to take vasts amount of damage in support of other squishier characters.
sorry bro. Your not damage, you never will be. Don't pick a tank and then expect to dish out damage. Its stupid. And childish to whine about it.

[Teralitha]

Fith is my knight stats at lvl 41:
(not all gears max enchant,nor all gear max gemed)

Patack : 4413
Pdef : 4056
Mdef : 3062
Matack : 164(for the noobs in knight build get the intelect guild skill because it adds more Mdef to your knight)
Critical : 244
Block : 903
HP : 13986



those are my current stats and im on the 70/80 duel rank

quit chosing knights and go for one of the easyer classes like the mages or archers.

Fact is,and it was pointed out here more then once and trust me,it IS NOT only after lvl 50+,that a knight power start to be seen.

i faced the top archer of my server a couple of days ago in battleground,and none were wearing buffs,and im talking of a very powerfull archer.
took him 5 turns to kill me,thats the archer that is always on top on world boss,thats the one on top of ranks,and he is 6 lvls higher then me,spend on his archer thousands of dollars,has his gear all gemed and buffed and enchanted,and still to a punny lvl 41 that all he ever spent on game was getting a vip and the initial bonus with 5 bucks(initial bonus that none of those jewels exist since i recycle them and never used them cuz i find them pretty much useless and missleading).

so you have a knight that spend only on vip and + 5 bucks against an archer that spend vip + countless of thousands more.

thats,using a theological example,placing David against Goliath...

and i think all know what was Goliath end lol XD

you chose a knight learn how to play with it or quit it and go for a easyer class.

My knight is lvl 40, some stats are about the same, most are higher.... no money spent on sockets and gems....

First off, do not tell knights with a problem to play an "easier" class. mages and archers are dps classes, while knights are not.. In a game where each class is suppose to be even, knights fall short. That is great your rank 70 and win some duel, but I am rank 1-10, and I will tell you, knights ARE gimped. People kick me out of void groups because I am a knight, in favor of another mage or archer. THAT is pathetic. I am top 10 for **** sake. Dont even tell me there is not a problem.

You say that your top archer is rank 1 in arena dn world boss. Well guess what noob, Ill bet you dollars to donuts its the same thing on every server. There IS a problem. And it needs to be acknowledged by R2 games.

[XrosSlash]

my sugestion for those that chose to blame the game instead of themselves is quit chosing knights and go for one of the easyer classes like the mages or archers.

sigh... every class is not easier to play. like u said it depen on ur build n ur effort. (n ur money).

[ciroth]

Oh but your not gonna be OP at begining! Your Patk isnt going to be the best and your PDEF isnt going to be the best and you HP isnt going to be the best and your Matk isnt going to be the best!!!!!!

NERF SISSORS, ROCK IS FINE, LOVE PAPER<3

I don't need high Patk to murder people

Reflect (625)
Shield
Survive 60 seconds
Lv 3 Intercept for 5.4k HP Base hit
Reflect for 970 dmg (1500 at lv 50)
If person isn't dead, clean up with Thrasher

Angels work best for this build... sortof kinda regret going knights =P

[zhadowwulff]

I rather be a weak knight in early game, and a unstoppable power at end game. :P

Oh but your not gonna be OP at begining! Your Patk isnt going to be the best and your PDEF isnt going to be the best and you HP isnt going to be the best and your Matk isnt going to be the best!!!!!!

NERF SISSORS, ROCK IS FINE, LOVE PAPER<3

[ciroth]

Look, the key thing most knights stress is that both Archers and Mages beat us. You get all three, same level, same gear, etc. and they will beat you on a regular basis. The PVP gear is just stupid, lowering stats of a knight by 1k (scaling up further down the line). Knights spend their time stacking pdef/mdef and suddenly a set of gear just takes a chunk out of it? It isn't easy stacking that 1k, and it costs money and effort to do so. Archers can get the set, and keep statting as they always have. Maybe later on Knights will overcome things, but the fact is even YOU are taken down eventually. It isn't about how long it takes, it is the simple fact that you go down eventually.

Traditionally Mages kill Knights, Knights kill Archers, Archers kill Mages. In this game, Mages and Archers laugh as they kill the knight, and then see who can out DPS each other in a duel.

I rather be a weak knight in early game, and a unstoppable power at end game. :P

[Skillgannon]

actualy and heres a bit more of truth for you just to proof that all this complains about weak knights its all pure ********.

for what i see in world bosses,arenas and such,the really OP mages and really OP archers,are owned by players that spend hundreds,some even thousands of dollars on them,because the ones that didnt suck bad,really bad,i killed dozens of them while climbing the duel ladder.

atm,as i said in my post im on the 70/80 in duel,and 95% of the archers and mages there are players that spent a lot of cash on those chars,is very easy to check,type their names and see what they carry.

as i said,its more easy to complain about something then actualy have the work to overcome dificultys,and its on that where u make the distinction between players.

theres the ones that will work and work till they have overcome them

theres the ones that will complain and complain till a easy way is shown to them so they dont have to work to overcome them.

simple

[Skillgannon]

but and let me add this,its actualy to see how long you last,because if lets say a archer usd to kill you in 2 turns,but now takes 5/6 to do the same,then something has changed dont you think?the knight is a slow build and if you dont stop of thinking you can never win,then trust me you will never win.