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  • Originally posted by Yofireballer View Post
    To the developers, this game is amazing, great content and great add-ons/upgrades. Having said that, please, please do something about the inequality of play within Battleground (BG). The current system IS NOT WORKING. BG and Arena are the only two areas currently where players of all levels (and financing) can be in one place. The matching system in Arena helps equalize that environment (sort of, sometimes).

    Battleground is another story. High level players and/or players who have spent $$ are hijacking the gameplay and making it undesirable to partake in the event. They often "camp" at the opposing teams spawn point and/or deny access to the crystal field, the only real way to gain any personal achievement when playing against players with 30,000 (or more) difference in BattleRating (BR). I suggest some sort of algorithm filter to either a). limit the level of the players permitted to be on the same BG field (more fields would need to be created) or b). filter the players by BR with no more than a XXXXX difference in BR (7,500?) being grouped together. It's no fun when players with absolutely no gamesmanship decimate the lower ranked player. I understand Dryad's Blessing is intended to "level the field", but it doesn't even come close when the BR disparity is so large. Looking forward to a fix, soon!
    Battleground level brackets are useless and group level 80 with br of 100k with players having > 500k. It would be better to group players based on BR rather then on achievement levels.

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    • BR brackets wouldn't work. The sole purpose of mixing weaker players with stronger ones, like we have now, leads to more income for R2 and other providers. A weak player wants to be able to beat/compete/last longer then 2 turns against a strong player, so they spend, R2 is happy, and the player gets a feeling of accomplishment, at the cost of several hundred/thousand dollars.

      It's an intelligent ploy to make more money, and despite the community's complaints, it works.
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      • Everyone plays this game to be strong and crush others, which makes butthurt egomanics to spend more. And you want BR brackets? Besides the obvious fact stated many times before that it can be manipulated, how do you see that fit in the game in general?

        "Fairness" has little to nothing in common with this game.
        THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE'S JUST ME.

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        • But if people stop and think about it if they were to break it down somehow by BR it would help them make more money... Lets look at it like this if you are in BG with 400k BR and you find yourself losing to someone with a 420k BR you are more apt to spend to beat that person... Now same person goes into BG with 400k BR and gets smashed 5-10 times by someone with 650k BR they will look at it as a waste of time b.c making up that much ground is going to take a lot of time... Also when you look at the monster BRs in the game those are people who are here to be "THE BEST" making them fight one another on a regular basis would would urge them to spend more money to beat each other... And lets get real those monsters are cashing more in a mth than many cashers are spending in 6mths.

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          • Originally posted by TotalChaos331 View Post
            But if people stop and think about it if they were to break it down somehow by BR it would help them make more money... Lets look at it like this if you are in BG with 400k BR and you find yourself losing to someone with a 420k BR you are more apt to spend to beat that person... Now same person goes into BG with 400k BR and gets smashed 5-10 times by someone with 650k BR they will look at it as a waste of time b.c making up that much ground is going to take a lot of time... Also when you look at the monster BRs in the game those are people who are here to be "THE BEST" making them fight one another on a regular basis would would urge them to spend more money to beat each other... And lets get real those monsters are cashing more in a mth than many cashers are spending in 6mths.
            That's pretty much the point I was making earlier. People will cash more to win vs someone close to them in BR (achievable goal) rather than cash to try to beat a whale they couldn't even scratch unless they refinance their house and dump it all into the game. BR brackets would be too easy to exploit and could also reduce cashing in some instances (it is better to be at the top of a bracket than at the bottom; you'd have people camping BR brackets like they camp level brackets). I'd suggest basing honor and points earned/lost on the relative BR of your opponent. If people get better rewards for beating people closer to their BRs, then you'd see more good fights and less flat out farming of lower BRs (the farming wouldn't go away completely, not with the grim reaper title and the fact some players don't like good fights and do go for easy wins).

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            • 7Road forgets the differences between the Chinese version and the rest of the planet version.

              Chinese has a market to unload those unbound items for balens, we don't.
              7Road thinks most players in the rest of the world can spend the Gross Domestic Product of some countries every few months, so they expect players to go for instant gratification thus buying everything in sight. They have little to no interest in changing BG/SFT matching or rewards, even if the majority of free players avoid it like the plague for all the reasons listed. If it works at home, they seem to reason, there is no reason why it does not apply to the rest of the planet.

              Perhaps someone should send them a copy of "The Romance of the Three Kingdoms" so they would understand a bit better that "honor" and "glory" is not based from various titles, but from the strength of the opponent defeated. Ts'ao Ts'ao ( or Cao Cao) and Liu Pei ( or Liu Bei) gained much honor from defeating the strongest warrior in the land in the form of Lu Bu, not from defeating minor enemies. Ditto for Cao Cao defeating Yuan Shu, who had a force roughly the same in size.
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              • I'm not sure if its forgetfulness or indifference. When you look at all the bugs, glitches, and inequities in the game, it tells me they just don't care. They get tons of money from the game the way it is, no further effort required beyond adding more and more content to spend $ on and occasionally nerfing things that benefit the players too much.

                The bg honor gain/loss has not changed since the game first came out. The game has always been set up to reward us for going after easy kills. We get more honor from farming lower BRs than we do for having fewer fights but all of them good fights vs others near our BR. The game mechanic intended to help level the playing field falls far short now that BR disparities are so vast. Even with 100% dryads, many players are just out of reach.

                There are ways the devs could easily level the playing field, the question is how we can convince them it is profitable to do so. Perhaps add an option to blitz bg? Like stand in for world boss used to work, pay balen, get rewards (kills, honor, and bg/ft rewards), no attendance required. That might help cut down on the number of players farming lower BRs and the devs make money since you have to pay to blitz it. Not everyone can attend bg daily, so devs would make plenty of money just from that alone. If it keeps some of the cashers off the field the rest of the time, that would help out the non cashers. How about making double honor scroll effect stackable (pop 10 scrolls, max your honor with 1 kill, done for the day)? Or, as an item to help the lower BRs, double dryad scrolls and honor loss prevention scrolls (also stackable and able to increase max limit with dryads based on # of scrolls in use, can you imagine the havoc one could wreak with stacked double dryad scrolls =D). How about double kill scrolls? Pop one of those and increase your kill count; great for shooting for Grim Reaper! The devs could make bank selling all these useful items, they'd allow people to reach their goals faster, getting some of the big $ off the field, and they'd give the little guys a chance for revenge (getting bullied, pop a few double dryad scrolls and nail them with 600% dryads!).

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                • Originally posted by Yesheron View Post
                  Battlegrounds already has level brackets. Matching by Battle Rating has already been discussed and would lead to a disaster.
                  says the casher, wants easy kills to gloat

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                  • Originally posted by KS222 View Post
                    That's pretty much the point I was making earlier. People will cash more to win vs someone close to them in BR (achievable goal) rather than cash to try to beat a whale they couldn't even scratch unless they refinance their house and dump it all into the game. BR brackets would be too easy to exploit and could also reduce cashing in some instances (it is better to be at the top of a bracket than at the bottom; you'd have people camping BR brackets like they camp level brackets). I'd suggest basing honor and points earned/lost on the relative BR of your opponent. If people get better rewards for beating people closer to their BRs, then you'd see more good fights and less flat out farming of lower BRs (the farming wouldn't go away completely, not with the grim reaper title and the fact some players don't like good fights and do go for easy wins).
                    Uhm, no. 99% of the people cashing do it so they can roflstomp everyone else in bg/ga/cw, not to have "good" fight vs similar br. You can fight similar br on any lvl, with any br. If bg/any pvp is divided by br, why should anyone try to upgrade his toon with money or time or strategy, if he can get exactly the same quality of fights without doing it?!
                    THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE'S JUST ME.

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                    • Originally posted by Yesheron View Post
                      Battlegrounds already has level brackets. Matching by Battle Rating has already been discussed and would lead to a disaster.
                      How so? It would be a disaster if battlegrounds no longer had the possibility of going up against somebody with 5 times your BR?

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                      • Originally posted by daunapu View Post
                        Uhm, no. 99% of the people cashing do it so they can roflstomp everyone else in bg/ga/cw, not to have "good" fight vs similar br. You can fight similar br on any lvl, with any br. If bg/any pvp is divided by br, why should anyone try to upgrade his toon with money or time or strategy, if he can get exactly the same quality of fights without doing it?!
                        Perhaps a variant by overall BR matching by side, so we do not see as often 500k + BRs on one side and none on the other? The ROFLstompers can still get their kicks and the wee guys can find someone closer to try and stomp too.
                        (Edit)
                        An example is no side can be more than 20% higher then the other. If Team Red has 5 million total BR, then Team Blue cannot exceed 6 million BR. Also would require lowering the current timer for kicking AFK players to say... two minutes?
                        Last edited by ATreeTopper; 02-12-2015, 01:57 AM.
                        IGN: TreeTopper
                        Server: whatever the merged Kabam S15/25 is called. I forgot.
                        Guild: ESKReborn
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                        • Originally posted by ATreeTopper View Post
                          Perhaps a variant by overall BR matching by side, so we do not see as often 500k + BRs on one side and none on the other? The ROFLstompers can still get their kicks and the wee guys can find someone closer to try and stomp too.
                          (Edit)
                          An example is no side can be more than 20% higher then the other. If Team Red has 5 million total BR, then Team Blue cannot exceed 6 million BR. Also would require lowering the current timer for kicking AFK players to say... two minutes?
                          Since you can join and leave BG at any time, this is way to hard for r2 staff to code, and knowing their skills id rather not ask for this
                          THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE'S JUST ME.

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                          • My idea also has a lot of limitations and other issues, beyond the Devs' programming competence. I doubt given the amount of planning involved it would fly, given one of the biggest possible abuses to that system would be players entering the BG pet off/naked/no astrals and proceeding to gear up. Would take a lot more resources then 7Road seems willing to invest for something they do not directly make a profit from, unlike say...marriages or mounts.
                            IGN: TreeTopper
                            Server: whatever the merged Kabam S15/25 is called. I forgot.
                            Guild: ESKReborn
                            Class: None (Ok..Ok.. Archer)
                            Battle Rating: 550547 Currently Retired from Wartune

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                            • *strips down naked, puts sylph to rest mode and takes off BR-gaining astrals then enters a BG*

                              Yay! pansies!

                              *puts the laughter back in slaughter*

                              Is this really what you want?
                              Name: Phoenixia
                              Server: R2 S-319
                              Class: Mage
                              BR: 911k
                              Last CW Ranking: Didn't participate
                              Cupcakes? R2 can keep them, I want rumcakes.

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                              • Originally posted by Yesheron View Post
                                Battlegrounds already has level brackets. Matching by Battle Rating has already been discussed and would lead to a disaster.
                                The only disaster would be fairer fights and players actually learning to skill rather than overpower

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