Knights don't take this from R2!

[icesz]

btw i dont use IS at pvp and i dont use it if i have less than 80 rage, incase i need to use BTS to heal

[Arlad]

switch the order use AS then ** then rune then MS and last IS
100 + 160(135+25) + 270(245+25) = 530

(100x3) + (220+(220x25%)) = 575

[Brutal_Hobo]

edit: why the heck we discuss about archer's skill rotation in a knight's thread? can we move our discussion to the other thread?

please don't leave, i would rather not read about knights complaining

[icesz]

please don't leave, i would rather not read about knights complaining

why are the knight even complaining while archers skill base stats are way lower than knights. u dont see us complaining about it

[redav]

He's gonna be as bad as redeav xD

don't u mention ur Dad's name in every post of yours. XD

[Tanlii]

Why you keep saying people are whinning? Easy for you to say since you are an archer.
Raising block is not easy. Appart from astral and refining, gems offer too little.
And penetr comes in 2 astrals which ALSO have atk boost, while angel is 1 astral with no extra boosts.

And also keep in mind that by being an archer you can focus on last patch's new stuff. Us knights must reconfigure our whole buildup, strategy etc while also trying to make ends meet in this no-guide new patch. (I think mages are also looking for ways to counter this crazy dps world of wartune with their low HP, but I will leave a mage talk about that.)
Archers are by far the favoured class atm so be a sport and don't make such [...] comments please.

Totally agree, thanks for your contribution arowen.

Its almost funny to see some archers all getting upset about complaining threat of knight, not contributing anything just...whining about knights 'whining'. Are they not getting most gold, best places in sky trail and necro and god decent and thus most rewards always? So yes be a sport and stop attacking us here time after time, save it for bg, i kick ur archers ***

[icesz]

Totally agree, thanks for your contribution arowen.

Its almost funny to see some archers all getting upset about complaining threat of knight, not contributing anything just...whining about knights 'whining'. Are they not getting most gold, best places in sky trail and necro and god decent and thus most rewards always? So yes be a sport and stop attacking us here time after time, save it for bg, i kick ur archers ***

whining is useless so dont whine and u wont be attacked, its not like R2 will change it back after theyve seen this on forum....it goes for EVERY class

[redav]

i don't understand why they capped block at 3k. did they mean that before patch 3.1 , knights were always overpowered bcoz of thier block+4% heal and now they capped it so we got balanced out?
bi tch please, that ain't no truth.

[icesz]

i don't understand why they capped block at 3k. did they mean that before patch 3.1 , knights were always overpowered bcoz of thier block+4% heal and now they capped it so we got balanced out?
bi tch please, that ain't no truth.

thats true on english servers

[EdGrr]

whining is useless so dont whine and u wont be attacked, its not like R2 will change it back after theyve seen this on forum....it goes for EVERY class

so free nowadays, icesz? seeing you roaming almost every forum.. : )

[icesz]

so free nowadays, icesz? seeing you roaming almost every forum.. : )

got a week off

[EdGrr]

got a week off

hope you see you in forum more often.. : )

[muzza40]

Yep a another knight whining thread woooooo -.- Jesus you guys should all just quit if you don't like your knight anymore. My server there is 6 knights in top 10 and they all doing just fine...

This is exactly the problem - yes there are a lot of top knights but that is because they are very very heavy cashers. Even moderate knight cashers have been heavily hit here. Crit for knights is ineffective (I have over 9k now and I am beginning to crit less than 50%), block heal is now a joke (it is less than 2%), and our casting speed is still ridiculously slow. You go on about whining knights but that is simply because they did nothing to the other classes - the archers DF and scat only affects MPDs where it was not needed anyway. The one place it may hurt archers is in GD if DF is ineffective there, but that was a long standing overpowering advantage to archers.

I have a problem with tampering with abilities in general particularly if we don't get a free skill reset. If they put in a cap as they have done for knight - it is only fair to cap others. Suntoria is a prime example. Just remember our block NEVER activates as much as suntoria and that heals 4 to 5 times the value of knights making it at least a factor of 10 or more effective.

[icesz]

This is exactly the problem - yes there are a lot of top knights but that is because they are very very heavy cashers. Even moderate knight cashers have been heavily hit here. Crit for knights is ineffective (I have over 9k now and I am beginning to crit less than 50%), block heal is now a joke (it is less than 2%), and our casting speed is still ridiculously slow. You go on about whining knights but that is simply because they did nothing to the other classes - the archers DF and scat only affects MPDs where it was not needed anyway. The one place it may hurt archers is in GD if DF is ineffective there, but that was a long standing overpowering advantage to archers.

I have a problem with tampering with abilities in general particularly if we don't get a free skill reset. If they put in a cap as they have done for knight - it is only fair to cap others. Suntoria is a prime example. Just remember our block NEVER activates as much as suntoria and that heals 4 to 5 times the value of knights making it at least a factor of 10 or more effective.

go lvl up ur blood rune to adv. lvl 8, that 1 is OP now to ANY classes and it counters suntoria or lvl up chaos rune so when they cast suntoria it "will" cast on u instead.
U got urself a semi healing skill and w/ adv healing rune u heal even more.

[ADYXZ]

A) suntoria costs 30 rage, not free
B) suntoria costs 1 turn, quite bad
C) suntoria can only be cast once per fight due to cooldown (unless you are stupid enough to delay going sylph to regen close to nothing hp and allowing your oppent to special skill first)
D) suntoria can be scattered/PURGED, its a problem given point "C"
E) suntoria can be stolen by chaos rune
F) suntoria can be forgotten through amnesia rune
G) given knights have 20% more base HP their block heal is not really 4% but 4.8% of base HP, suntoria is 4-5-6 (so 1.2%, not 2% more)
H) block heal can NOT be denied

so why was suntoria so much better and so much more OP than the heal from the passive again??
if anything mages should complain abt their support skill:
-archers IS = dmg received -30%
-knight AS = dmg received -30%
-mage damnation = dmg dealt +10% (which in a knights case is +3%)... yup.. mages are so op...