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  • #46
    Originally posted by dking87 View Post
    nope your wrong they have had it for ages if we got it same time version wise then we would have had it in september or october
    After digging some more, it's transactional. R2 has the ability to negate this. It's listed HERE. Still, the content can't be directly adulterated.

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    • #47
      that was a link for r2games.com shows no info there now to prove my point this is the market and we should have had it at almost the begging of wartune but r2 decided not to cause they can pick and choose content
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      • #48
        Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
        After digging some more, it's transactional. R2 has the ability to negate this. It's listed HERE. Still, the content can't be directly adulterated.
        Thank you for the link. There they state "As a publisher, it is our job to manage all marketing and PR for games, locate distribution channels, and carry out day-to-day operations including customer support, community management, promotion/event design and implementation, and, most importantly, ensuring profitability for everyone involved. Ideally, cooperating development teams should primarily focus on creating and maintaining an amazing product, leaving the rest to us."

        Guild wars are an event, and an event tied to the profitability of the company/game. Therefore, they say here, that if they so chose, they could leave the change to guild wars out of the patch as it IS an event, and it is a large motivator of the profitability of the game. I am sure with a little work you would find that when a player has a better chance at advancement they are more motivated to spend for the extra pushes, and halving the chances for advancement in this respect may have a profitability impact.
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        • #49
          guys, please.....R2Games-Rules

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          • #50
            Originally posted by dking87 View Post
            that was a link for r2games.com shows no info there now to prove my point this is the market and we should have had it at almost the begging of wartune but r2 decided not to cause they can pick and choose content
            They can alter transactional content which they did by negating the auction house.

            Originally posted by dragon922 View Post
            Thank you for the link. There they state "As a publisher, it is our job to manage all marketing and PR for games, locate distribution channels, and carry out day-to-day operations including customer support, community management, promotion/event design and implementation, and, most importantly, ensuring profitability for everyone involved. Ideally, cooperating development teams should primarily focus on creating and maintaining an amazing product, leaving the rest to us."

            Guild wars are an event, and an event tied to the profitability of the company/game. Therefore, they say here, that if they so chose, they could leave the change to guild wars out of the patch as it IS an event, and it is a large motivator of the profitability of the game. I am sure with a little work you would find that when a player has a better chance at advancement they are more motivated to spend for the extra pushes, and halving the chances for advancement in this respect may have a profitability impact.
            By 'event' they mean activities, promotions and the like - not the in-game "events". Still, complain away - hopefully they have relayed player sentiment via the appropriate channels.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
              They can alter transactional content which they did by negating the auction house.



              By 'event' they mean activities, promotions and the like - not the in-game "events". Still, complain away - hopefully they have relayed player sentiment via the appropriate channels.
              I do believe you caught yourself. And are you truly certain that is the extent of the distinction? Also, transactional or not, the fact that has been argued by Zephyric, dragon, and dking is that R2Games can remove content at their leisure. I will put you to shame with my business experience and the extent of MY knowledge of licensing and the like, at best you strike me as no more of an Insider than a typical GameInformer subscriber. You can't cherry-pick as you please I'm afraid, if the Auction House function is transactional and thus would increase profitability, then at the time Patch 1.2 was released here it would have been included because, as you once told me, they think on a corporate mindset. Update Patches which include Events are in all form and fashion Events, there is no option "C". Reading everyone's posts thus far, investigating matters independently, I have concluded based upon my own work experience in the Gaming industry as a whole that you are so far out in left-field it would require a feat of inHuman agility to catch you and bring you back to level ground. Dragon922 was as correct with her post and its meaning as anyone could possibly be, after reading all your responses so far to everyone who's made a point in this thread, it's clear you really have no leg to stand on in all this, I would suggest you quit trying to argue at all before I sit you down and explain to you business and gaming mechanics in detail.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by FarFallen View Post
                I do believe you caught yourself. And are you truly certain that is the extent of the distinction? Also, transactional or not, the fact that has been argued by Zephyric, dragon, and dking is that R2Games can remove content at their leisure. I will put you to shame with my business experience and the extent of MY knowledge of licensing and the like, at best you strike me as no more of an Insider than a typical GameInformer subscriber. You can't cherry-pick as you please I'm afraid, if the Auction House function is transactional and thus would increase profitability, then at the time Patch 1.2 was released here it would have been included because, as you once told me, they think on a corporate mindset. Update Patches which include Events are in all form and fashion Events, there is no option "C". Reading everyone's posts thus far, investigating matters independently, I have concluded based upon my own work experience in the Gaming industry as a whole that you are so far out in left-field it would require a feat of inHuman agility to catch you and bring you back to level ground. Dragon922 was as correct with her post and its meaning as anyone could possibly be, after reading all your responses so far to everyone who's made a point in this thread, it's clear you really have no leg to stand on in all this, I would suggest you quit trying to argue at all before I sit you down and explain to you business and gaming mechanics in detail.
                Give me examples of in-game content that has changed aside from transactions/activities. You can argue all you like but in the end the content is the same. I'm not cherry-picking anything - as I conceded that the auction house should have been present by now via parallel patch - but again, it's crystal clear why it wasn't. Other examples please? It's clear that transactional occurrences are the theme here as the objective of the business is to make a profit. Since it's still under review (namely for extensive potential abuse), this is still inline with R2's directive. When players complained about the initial wings being costly or too overpowered, this was within R2's full discretion to change. The guild battle mechanic, though seemingly unfair, will very likely remain as-is. Recall the complaining about previous patch content? What changed? I'll leave that as an mental exercise - albeit an inordinately simple one.

                Lastly, since you took a shot, here's one for you: Given your boast of business experience and extensive knowledge of licensing -- but also given your strange grammar, odd capitalization and your predisposition to insults, your workplace probably keeps you in back -- on a leash.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
                  Give me examples of in-game content that has changed aside from transactions/activities. You can argue all you like but in the end the content is the same. I'm not cherry-picking anything - as I conceded that the auction house should have been present by now via parallel patch - but again, it's crystal clear why it wasn't. Other examples please? It's clear that transactional occurrences are the theme here as the objective of the business is to make a profit. Since it's still under review (namely for extensive potential abuse), this is still inline with R2's directive. When players complained about the initial wings being costly or too overpowered, this was within R2's full discretion to change. The guild battle mechanic, though seemingly unfair, will very likely remain as-is. Recall the complaining about previous patch content? What changed? I'll leave that as an mental exercise - albeit an inordinately simple one.

                  Lastly, since you took a shot, here's one for you: Given your boast of business experience and extensive knowledge of licensing -- but also given your strange grammar, odd capitalization and your predisposition to insults, your workplace probably keeps you in back -- on a leash.
                  Well I would be offended by your "shot", but it should be miraculous I'm even giving it thought. Nice touch though with the "on a leash" part, I give it a 4/10 for effort, more than I can say for the rest.

                  What more examples do you really need, anyway, than what has already been provided for you by practically everyone? As well, I'd love to see these complaints about the Wings, and considering those are no less "Event" oriented as Guild Battles according to your own explanation, I question why you even used it as an example in the first place. And, if it is your contention that players complained about the overall 'unfairness' of the initial Wings launch, causing R2 to initiate changes on as you said their sole discretion, what is different about this scenario, the removal of the proposed plan to cut Guild Battles in half? I really see no difference here, nor any reason to indulge you in any form of 'proof' when said proof you have already provided. It's called "Foot-in-Mouth Disorder". When you've finished grasping at straws, feel free to let me know, I'll provide you another full box to fool around with. I can see why everyone else has stopped attempting to give you credit or light of day, you seem to have quite the overconfident attitude in spite of how wrong you are. If you want to believe R2Games is incapable of changing any aspects of games, regardless of classification, when they have already proven they in fact are capable, I shall pat you on the head, give you a lollipop, and send you on your way telling you you are free to believe what you will because the world is built on imagination, then I will return to the land of reality where all you have to offer is as meaningless as the gum I stepped on earlier.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by FarFallen View Post
                    Well I would be offended by your "shot", but it should be miraculous I'm even giving it thought. Nice touch though with the "on a leash" part, I give it a 4/10 for effort, more than I can say for the rest.

                    What more examples do you really need, anyway, than what has already been provided for you by practically everyone? As well, I'd love to see these complaints about the Wings, and considering those are no less "Event" oriented as Guild Battles according to your own explanation, I question why you even used it as an example in the first place. And, if it is your contention that players complained about the overall 'unfairness' of the initial Wings launch, causing R2 to initiate changes on as you said their sole discretion, what is different about this scenario, the removal of the proposed plan to cut Guild Battles in half? I really see no difference here, nor any reason to indulge you in any form of 'proof' when said proof you have already provided. It's called "Foot-in-Mouth Disorder". When you've finished grasping at straws, feel free to let me know, I'll provide you another full box to fool around with. I can see why everyone else has stopped attempting to give you credit or light of day, you seem to have quite the overconfident attitude in spite of how wrong you are. If you want to believe R2Games is incapable of changing any aspects of games, regardless of classification, when they have already proven they in fact are capable, I shall pat you on the head, give you a lollipop, and send you on your way telling you you are free to believe what you will because the world is built on imagination, then I will return to the land of reality where all you have to offer is as meaningless as the gum I stepped on earlier.
                    Looks like your entire post is insult-laden and doesn't have anything to which to respond.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
                      Looks like your entire post is insult-laden and doesn't have anything to which to respond.
                      And thus is game, set, and match. I'll also be happy as any of the others would to debate you on the facts, when you provide worthwhile and actual facts, rather than doing what you had accused Zephyric of earlier and backtracking, not to mention placing yourself at the mercy of your own words which later come back to discredit everything you try to say.

                      Now have fun kids, while R2 does what R2 is capable of and gives the players their due. And excuse me while I enjoy some popcorn with this victory.

                      Also, nice dodge on the Wings there, considering I've gone through every post on Wartune's Forums and haven't found a single one relating to the Wings, neither their price nor their "overpowered" status. R2 didnt receive any complaints, therefore if the Wings WERE in fact over-priced and overpowered, it was R2 acting independently to make any adjustments to them, if they in fact did.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by FarFallen View Post
                        And thus is game, set, and match. I'll also be happy as any of the others would to debate you on the facts, when you provide worthwhile and actual facts, rather than doing what you had accused Zephyric of earlier and backtracking, not to mention placing yourself at the mercy of your own words which later come back to discredit everything you try to say.

                        Now have fun kids, while R2 does what R2 is capable of and gives the players their due. And excuse me while I enjoy some popcorn with this victory.

                        Also, nice dodge on the Wings there, considering I've gone through every post on Wartune's Forums and haven't found a single one relating to the Wings, neither their price nor their "overpowered" status. R2 didnt receive any complaints, therefore if the Wings WERE in fact over-priced and overpowered, it was R2 acting independently to make any adjustments to them, if they in fact did.
                        Not so fast, Mr.-Writer-as-a-profession. Wings were grossly complained over. If you cannot find any, you clearly suck at it. Ya know, not only were they discussed (read: argued) here but also on Kong. R2's forums aren't the only ones.

                        Game-set-match, my ***. Your previous post was just an insult-fest. I can do the same, Square-Enix flunky. Pretty arrogant of you stating you "told" them ways to change the game and because they didn't follow your advice, they suffered. Lol? All because of ***you***? R-o-f-l.

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                        • #57
                          Lol

                          what was this thread about again!!!!

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by R26405297 View Post
                            Lol

                            what was this thread about again!!!!

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                            <scratches head> Wartune Maintenance? What the heck? I thought this was game discussion!

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by KnowingEyes7 View Post
                              Not so fast, Mr.-Writer-as-a-profession. Wings were grossly complained over. If you cannot find any, you clearly suck at it. Ya know, not only were they discussed (read: argued) here but also on Kong. R2's forums aren't the only ones.

                              Game-set-match, my ***. Your previous post was just an insult-fest. I can do the same, Square-Enix flunky. Pretty arrogant of you stating you "told" them ways to change the game and because they didn't follow your advice, they suffered. Lol? All because of ***you***? R-o-f-l.
                              My post was fact-based, silly you for following facts with insults, but if that's your choice I'll simply continue to be spot-on accurate and correct and let you go red-faced trying to disprove me. Also, did Ratty not say basically what happens with R2 stays with R2? You lost your Kong-related arguments, and Ratty said to drop them, but oh well. And silly you again, there are no posts arguing the costs or anything else, the only Wings-related posts have been the announcement of their release (met with relatively unanimous praise, mind you) and the Wings mentioned in the Hall of Fame posts, which was in fact met mostly as a fiasco but for a reason that was more related to business and gameplay, not the Wings. If you continue to distort facts then no one will take you seriously, and as to your own insults, welcome to reality, it's a harsh place but once you get used to it the added benefit of clarity is nice.

                              Now gracefully bow out of contention, you lost long before you began to argue with anyone here, you really do have no insight on the workings and mechanics of games and corporations, I will refuse to indulge you and your inability to distinguish fact from fiction any further. Again, game set and match. You get nothing, you lose, good day sir. And all that other fun.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by FarFallen View Post
                                My post was fact-based, silly you for following facts with insults, but if that's your choice I'll simply continue to be spot-on accurate and correct and let you go red-faced trying to disprove me. Also, did Ratty not say basically what happens with R2 stays with R2? You lost your Kong-related arguments, and Ratty said to drop them, but oh well. And silly you again, there are no posts arguing the costs or anything else, the only Wings-related posts have been the announcement of their release (met with relatively unanimous praise, mind you) and the Wings mentioned in the Hall of Fame posts, which was in fact met mostly as a fiasco but for a reason that was more related to business and gameplay, not the Wings. If you continue to distort facts then no one will take you seriously, and as to your own insults, welcome to reality, it's a harsh place but once you get used to it the added benefit of clarity is nice.

                                Now gracefully bow out of contention, you lost long before you began to argue with anyone here, you really do have no insight on the workings and mechanics of games and corporations, I will refuse to indulge you and your inability to distinguish fact from fiction any further. Again, game set and match. You get nothing, you lose, good day sir. And all that other fun.
                                The mods and supermod here said to not bring over CHN. Kong, AA, NG, WT and R2 are fair game.

                                Are you kidding about no complaints about the normal wings? Do you know how to search a forum? How about: here or here or here or here or here or here. This doesn't even take into consideration the number of posts that were made off the cuff using wings as a complaint but are buried within entire threads devoted to something different.

                                It's telling that you try and prematurely end the debate with closing-style wordage. Is that what you also do on the job when you don't feel like working?

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