A issue of confidentiality

[Painindaback]

To be fair, they should finally reconsider changing the rules. Multi accounting is worse than sharing. At least in the second option it's not just 1 player controlling everything.
For example, on the rose event... I could go full retard mode and make 20 accounts, do 1 free offer on each and voila 1st place. Can't do that if it was just account sharing.
And as far as sharing goes, it's the owner's own choice whether he wants to share it with someone or not. R2 aren't obligated to fix the acc in any way in the case of a problem after that. In my opinion it would be better like that.

[andreicde]

anyway, reporting other player for sharing or helping is so weak, Shame on u!!!!!

and start grow some brain please. Maybe it's too late for you. Low IQ+ bad gen Rat!!!!

I agree, backstabbing is not fun for anyone especially when you help. For anyone that loves to do that and apply the ''but it's not legal'', f.k off, how would you like it if someone did it to you when you had to go in a holiday or something?

[vhunter77]

anyway, reporting other player for sharing or helping is so weak, Shame on u!!!!!

and start grow some brain please. Maybe it's too late for you. Low IQ+ bad gen Rat!!!!

[stiivi]

imo piloting will fall into the scope of term #3. it includes both cases, that is with or without consent of other player.

Yes when i wrote that long *** text, i was thinking that it falls on how ppl interpret it. For me it #3 is only if i try to access your account without you knowing it. That's for me. That is under "Cheating/hacking", once you know i log into your account, it's not cheating/hacking. That's why i dont think it should be written as it is atm. If they really wanna make it so ppl wont "pilot" their accounts, they should add exact point to it.
So it is clear for everyone. Since for me, someone piloting my account isnt bannable offence, as R2 makes it out to be. I think its normal. But that's my opinion on that matter.

[MagusRynd]

Piloting is term used here if some other player plays your game for you. Piloting usually is botting. LoA has ingame BOT. hence World of Tanks is poor example. Since i have "piloted" another account there. So to speak.
Regarding ToS and sharing account being in there. It's not. If you found that part where it says "sharing is bannable offence" id be glad. As i looked into ToS and i dont find it. Maybe im reading it wrong.

*R2Games does not recognize the transfer of our Games accounts or R2Games accounts. You may not purchase, sell, gift or trade any account, or offer to purchase, sell, gift or trade any account, and any such attempt shall be null and void.
As you can see they dont recognize transfer. Nor selling/gifting/trading accounts. Sharing isnt either of those.

*1) Reverse-engineer, decompile or modify any of the game clients and use it in any way.
2) Exploit any cheats or errors which you find in our service. Any cheats or errors you discover must be reported immediately to us.
3) Attempt to access any other user's account.
4) Misuse any of our customer service facilities.
5) Deliberately enter false information into any of the forms on our website.
6) Encourage, or attempt to trick other players into breaking our rules.
That was taken from Cheat/Hacking part. Only interesting in "sharing" is Attempt to access any other user's account. Since its under cheating/hacking topic. Sharing doesnt mean you or someone else attempts to access other account. He/she access it with password and user, account owner gave him or her. Attempting to access is more like hacking it, in that matter of light and acknowledging under what topic it is cheating/hacking. As you can see exploiting Reaver bug, is bannable offence. If i recall you used it? While it sayd, collect, instead of "Buy"?

*You acknowledge and agree that you shall have no ownership or other property interests in any account stored or hosted in an R2Games system, including without limitation any R2Games account or our Games account, and you further agree that all rights in and to such accounts are and shall forever be owned by and inure to the benefit of R2Games.

That is from Ownership part. While you "pilot" its not owning that account. Just because friend borrows me his Ferrari twice a month, doesnt mean i own that ferrari.

These are all i found that might be bannable offence. I dont see any sharing here. So if you found it, then please by all means, show me.
These are the parts AE86 showed me that is supposed to make "sharing"/"piloting" bannable.

And from that Odin blade and sum of diamond. I'm sorry man, but im starting to think. his bragging and beating you and some other guys while he claimed to be free player. Is just jealousy. That's how i see it. You rat out competition cuz you couldnt beat him. Old textbook backstabbing.
Since you claim you knw what you are talking about, Yet you dont claim to say how many diamonds he exactly had? Banned player himself sayd he hoards. And since it seems Tycoon is main reason he was ratted out. I'll just let you knw that im also a free player. And getting 50k pts or staying in top 1-20 before in Cross Tycoon, wasnt a problem. Saving mails is the key.
Now before you start to yell and say it's not like that. It's my opinion. But im somewhat glad he got banned from you guys, since i personally hate rats. It's sad that you guys got jealous and tired of his bragging while he had certain amount of diamonds on his hand, what you compare with godly weapon. Which is not btw. In close fight with godly weapon user. Its always godly wep user who wins. Even high BR guys, 1.5mil and up, say that Godly wep is unfair and OP item.
And lastly having certain amount of diamonds in hand doesnt mean that person has godly weapon. And sadly he can't eliminate that advantage over godly wep with diamonds he has. Why you think? Easy, spending diamonds in fishing or blitzing aegises or w.e he did with them. It wont close that gap between healing everyturn 100k hp vs beefing his Br like 2.5k pts. So yeah godly wep is OP. And it just might have been reason you did "keep up with him".

imo piloting will fall into the scope of term #3. it includes both cases, that is with or without consent of other player.

[stiivi]

Oh well, the term "heavy casher" is subjective so let us just agree to disagree.

Regarding the banning issue, I do agree that determining who is piloting and who is not is rather complex, but IP is not the only one used, while saying in world chat that you are "piloting" could also result in being banned in some games, e.g World of Tanks. Also note that piloting is prohibited in the TOS under the account sharing rule.

Regarding the diamond thingy, I am pretty much sure about what I am talking about here, his diamond is not only 5560+.... Nhepz, the one who reported him, is doing the same thing with the offers and used the diamonds during the last Crosserver Tycoon earning him a rank within 1-20...... Anyway, the only reason I bring it up is because he keeps on bragging about himself, being a "free player", defeating those who are cashing in, without even taking into consideration the amount of diamonds he has. Ranting over our godly weapons as the reason why we can keep with him is not reasonable, since he can just eliminate the advantage given the amount of diamonds he has.

Piloting is term used here if some other player plays your game for you. Piloting usually is botting. LoA has ingame BOT. hence World of Tanks is poor example. Since i have "piloted" another account there. So to speak.
Regarding ToS and sharing account being in there. It's not. If you found that part where it says "sharing is bannable offence" id be glad. As i looked into ToS and i dont find it. Maybe im reading it wrong.

*R2Games does not recognize the transfer of our Games accounts or R2Games accounts. You may not purchase, sell, gift or trade any account, or offer to purchase, sell, gift or trade any account, and any such attempt shall be null and void.
As you can see they dont recognize transfer. Nor selling/gifting/trading accounts. Sharing isnt either of those.

*1) Reverse-engineer, decompile or modify any of the game clients and use it in any way.
2) Exploit any cheats or errors which you find in our service. Any cheats or errors you discover must be reported immediately to us.
3) Attempt to access any other user's account.
4) Misuse any of our customer service facilities.
5) Deliberately enter false information into any of the forms on our website.
6) Encourage, or attempt to trick other players into breaking our rules.
That was taken from Cheat/Hacking part. Only interesting in "sharing" is Attempt to access any other user's account. Since its under cheating/hacking topic. Sharing doesnt mean you or someone else attempts to access other account. He/she access it with password and user, account owner gave him or her. Attempting to access is more like hacking it, in that matter of light and acknowledging under what topic it is cheating/hacking. As you can see exploiting Reaver bug, is bannable offence. If i recall you used it? While it sayd, collect, instead of "Buy"?

*You acknowledge and agree that you shall have no ownership or other property interests in any account stored or hosted in an R2Games system, including without limitation any R2Games account or our Games account, and you further agree that all rights in and to such accounts are and shall forever be owned by and inure to the benefit of R2Games.

That is from Ownership part. While you "pilot" its not owning that account. Just because friend borrows me his Ferrari twice a month, doesnt mean i own that ferrari.

These are all i found that might be bannable offence. I dont see any sharing here. So if you found it, then please by all means, show me.
These are the parts AE86 showed me that is supposed to make "sharing"/"piloting" bannable.

And from that Odin blade and sum of diamond. I'm sorry man, but im starting to think. his bragging and beating you and some other guys while he claimed to be free player. Is just jealousy. That's how i see it. You rat out competition cuz you couldnt beat him. Old textbook backstabbing.
Since you claim you knw what you are talking about, Yet you dont claim to say how many diamonds he exactly had? Banned player himself sayd he hoards. And since it seems Tycoon is main reason he was ratted out. I'll just let you knw that im also a free player. And getting 50k pts or staying in top 1-20 before in Cross Tycoon, wasnt a problem. Saving mails is the key.
Now before you start to yell and say it's not like that. It's my opinion. But im somewhat glad he got banned from you guys, since i personally hate rats. It's sad that you guys got jealous and tired of his bragging while he had certain amount of diamonds on his hand, what you compare with godly weapon. Which is not btw. In close fight with godly weapon user. Its always godly wep user who wins. Even high BR guys, 1.5mil and up, say that Godly wep is unfair and OP item.
And lastly having certain amount of diamonds in hand doesnt mean that person has godly weapon. And sadly he can't eliminate that advantage over godly wep with diamonds he has. Why you think? Easy, spending diamonds in fishing or blitzing aegises or w.e he did with them. It wont close that gap between healing everyturn 100k hp vs beefing his Br like 2.5k pts. So yeah godly wep is OP. And it just might have been reason you did "keep up with him".

[R27339387]

Oh well, the term "heavy casher" is subjective so let us just agree to disagree.

Regarding the banning issue, I do agree that determining who is piloting and who is not is rather complex, but IP is not the only one used, while saying in world chat that you are "piloting" could also result in being banned in some games, e.g World of Tanks. Also note that piloting is prohibited in the TOS under the account sharing rule.

Regarding the diamond thingy, I am pretty much sure about what I am talking about here, his diamond is not only 5560+.... Nhepz, the one who reported him, is doing the same thing with the offers and used the diamonds during the last Crosserver Tycoon earning him a rank within 1-20...... Anyway, the only reason I bring it up is because he keeps on bragging about himself, being a "free player", defeating those who are cashing in, without even taking into consideration the amount of diamonds he has. Ranting over our godly weapons as the reason why we can keep with him is not reasonable, since he can just eliminate the advantage given the amount of diamonds he has.

[stiivi]

Stevie.. you have no idea on how much diamonds I am talking about.. If you read the whole conversation, you will know that we are on the same guild... so pretty much I know what I am taking about.

I read whole topic. sadly even when you buy 30k dias with 299$ once its still not hvy casher.
Yes from Gamemaster part its not good if he/she comes to server and says in whole chat who did what. No matter what language they use.
All i understand someone rat on person who didnt wanna lose progress and gave his acc for friend for 2 days. Which isn't in ToS BTW!!.
(Maybe now it is, since it doesnt fall under Cheating!. As you willilngly give your account to other person to use for limited period of time.)
In some topic some time ago, i asked AE86, how they determine who is "piloting" and who is not, they mentioned

* IP ( a joke, as i can make virtual PC and get diff IP i log in with current one, I can use VPN to get some other IP aswell)
* Accusations of someone being "piloting" ( how they determine that? Some one says in World Chat "HEY! I'm piloting" some grabs quick screenshot, reports and how they determine it if its truly a "piloting"? By IP? )

Hell that Piloting being in "ToS" is utter ****, as it dont fall under any of those what is written in there. Sadly its truth. But R2 has to "strongarm" somehow, since they can't rlly be sure who uses account now can they? And they utterly suck at catching those who really cheat/abuse system.

And since i have no idea "how" many diamonds we are talking about, as i really read topic and that guy who got accused of being "hvy casher" mentioned he had 5560+ something diamonds. Made free offers and won group buy 5k diamonds. it seems you and some other guildes didnt believe him. As you mentioned his "hvy casher" by share amount of diamonds, he didnt pay for.

Ofc that goes OT.
But now ON topic. GM behaved wrong. But we already knew that before that topic. No reason to cause such a fuss about it.

[R27339387]

That's nice, So when i start new server, hoard diamonds for "FREE" offer's, And win 5k Diamonds from Spending vouchers on Group buy. Im gonna be titulate as "Heavy Casher" since i have over 5k diamonds? That's just wow xD 5k Diamonds is like 40 euros. Since when is that Heavy cashing?

Godly weapons do make ppl OP. It makes quite a huge difference tbh.

but nice topic and off topic. *grabs popcorn*

Stevie.. you have no idea on how much diamonds I am talking about.. If you read the whole conversation, you will know that we are on the same guild... so pretty much I know what I am taking about.

[stiivi]

No one is saying that your acquisition of diamonds is a cheat, all I am saying is your whining over my godly weapons is not justifiable given your amount of diamonds which is almost equivalent to a heavy casher.

That's nice, So when i start new server, hoard diamonds for "FREE" offer's, And win 5k Diamonds from Spending vouchers on Group buy. Im gonna be titulate as "Heavy Casher" since i have over 5k diamonds? That's just wow xD 5k Diamonds is like 40 euros. Since when is that Heavy cashing?

Godly weapons do make ppl OP. It makes quite a huge difference tbh.

but nice topic and off topic. *grabs popcorn*

[R27339387]

lol... before you call something as "abusing bug" you must first define what it is....
CThe Resource Reaver icon is shown as "Collect" not "Buy" or "exchange", so as a player's instinct I click it, the problem is it doesn't have a code that will deduct diamonds... So basically anyone who, knowingly or unknowingly, clicked on it will get the resources.

Clicking it KNOWING it is a bug is ABUSING.
Clicking it UNKNOWING that it is a bug is NOT.

So how will you prove the players knowingly or unknowingly clicked the it??? GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

>>>Dude, again, you do help the guild a lot but that is really beside the point here, as i said you violated TOS - nothing we can do about that.


//the diamonds i have is from offers, and im not abusive person i just do offers for any amount recharge event and to maintain my vip. if i have tons of diamonds all ranking events in our server im always there and i have hoc heroes. i also asked the r2games staff, offers are legit and doing offers is not cheat, not bannable. okay?//

Exactly.. So don't boast around calling yourself a "not a casher", because "technically" you are given the amount of diamonds you have. And why aren't you in our events? simple, you are hoarding diamonds for the purpose of using it in a event that will give better rewards.

No one is saying that your acquisition of diamonds is a cheat, all I am saying is your whining over my godly weapons is not justifiable given your amount of diamonds which is almost equivalent to a heavy casher.

[Correllian]

this is not about you mugi and you have no proof who reported you. If you do post it here. This topic isn't even about you so please take your attention seeking and lies elsewhere. The issues is if a gm is giving out confidential information like the picture posted on the old guild fb page. I wish i had copied it when I was still there so I could show what this topic is really about.

[mugimugikun]

you violated TOS of loa too dude? you dont remember? you guys abused the bug happened in 1st cs tycoon? those people who in rank 60+ got dumped in rank 101+ and im one of them? abusing bugs is bannable too if im not wrong? im not overrating my char. im just confident coz i still have all resources on my inventory: 17k+ seraphs, 9k+ soulstones, 12k+ of elemental dusts with one lvl20 ice element on claw (maxed), 7k+ og gem enhancement stones, almost 5k of angel tears and half a billion of golds not to mention my 5k+ diamonds from offers and i won in lotto last month, and also i still have event items that ive been hoarding since day one i started to play? and this is 21days ago. yes i violated the TOS that im asking for help to pilot my account because i cant able to log in because time wont fit sometimes, but i will not get banned if no one reported me. worst part is the player who reported me is also from guild, a friend, a fellow filipino? after 3 weeks found out who did that to you? you cant blame me if im reacting like this. coz as far as i know i didnt do anything bad to him and others. in fact Nhepz is the one who always keep sabotaging my char. im not greedy and selfish you know that. all the strategy that can be use to make the char strong i shared it with all guildies. i dont do plunder in wyrm coz i know the feeling of being plundered, i dont plunder our guildies in raider. i dont do quiz events, world boss, always late in guild events like gaunlet and TC? im the one who suggested that instead competing in rose ranking events, why not give it to our non vip member in guild by voting or random draw, who ever be pick we whole guild will send roses to him/her? and then you guys will treat me like this? instead helping a guildie/ a friend you guys are the one who dragging them down, reported to be ban. saddest part is fellow filipino and i treat as a friend, brother to a different mother. tsk tsk bad </3. i will not comment anymore this is the last, im started playing again in new server from scracth 3 weeks after my account got banned. im already moved on and already forgiven people did wrong to me. and i want a peaceful mind. dont try to report me again tell this to others in guild. the diamonds i have is from offers, and im not abusive person i just do offers for any amount recharge event and to maintain my vip. if i have tons of diamonds all ranking events in our server im always there and i have hoc heroes. i also asked the r2games staff, offers are legit and doing offers is not cheat, not bannable. okay?

[palakacelo23]

chill....

[R27339387]

You are not cashing in??? Oh right... but you got thousands of diamonds in your account right??? All in our guild knows about this diamond thing.. and still you brag about being FREE... but I am really sorry to bust your bubble here, "TECHNICALLY" you are not a free player considering the amount of diamond you got. Sure you don't spend a single thing to get those diamonds (i don't know how) but technically it counts,,, So don't give that "you are cashing" **.

And you are whining about our godly weapons? Hey wait, you do have lots of diamonds do you? So basically it is not an excuse. Seriously, you are overestimating your character so much.

//? speaking of confidentiality we are speaking in our native language that time(filipino/tagalog) whoever read that conversation in world chat only people who will understand that is a fellow filipino, right or player who understand tagalog? we never talk about it in english.//

OH COME ON!!!!! You do know the meaning of the word "confidential" do you? Everyone could read it, and anyone with a curious mind would just use google translate to understand what is going on. This is the lamest excuse I ever heard.

Again, the "cheater" thing is not directed towards you... Read my post again and again.

//making this thread that you want confidentiality of making report? why not you just kept it a secret too that i got the info who reported me like what you want in this thread? where is the confidentiality?//

Huh??? Reporting what the GM did is not bound for confidentiality, so basically what I did is justifiable. Why keep it a secret? So others suffer because some GM can't get his mouth shut? And besides even if you report everyone only those who violated LOA TOS will be banned, so why need to disclose who reported who if the report itself is justifiable? That doesn't make sense.


//i just dont understand this post, why scared of getting revealed if you are confident of your report and your accusations are right to the person you want to report? why? maybe you are like nhepz secretly reported a friend because you want to eliminate him in game? on my opinion, if you are confident to report a person, you must be confident too that your accusation and report is right and not scared of getting revealed. dont treat your former sensei like this. what your character now is due to my guidance in guild. all the techniques you are using now in game is came from me (saving mails, resources, char build, elemental upgrading etc). instead of treating me bad you should be thankful because you achieve what you are now with my help.//

Again, confidence in the report is not the issue here... THE ISSUE IS THE CONFIDENTIALITY of who reported who, which a GM has no right to disclose. One could have full confidense on his report but still a rule is a rule. And

You helping (thank you btw) in my build is beside the point here, you violated TOS of LOA - nothing I can do about it... BTW, all those things you listed is a "Guild Secret", it is not yours alone. You are not the reason why I am where i am now, that is pretty much a **, sorry to bust AGAIN your bubble, but Ven and Istorm help me more than you.

Lastly, I am not treating you bad, you are the one who started whining over my thread which is not supposed to be directed to you.