New Lvl 85 Dungeon... No E-wings?

[Starmaster]

At this new content of the game, the new lvl 85 dungeon doesnt drop Eternal-Wings? And again still drops Heroic Wings...
At this point of game, I think R2 should think about putting E-wings as drop. H-Wings is almost like Mount tokens, soon or later it will be useless again.
Will make event like G-munt again, but with wings? Come on. When we hit lvl 100, it will still be the same as before....soul and gems...

Somehow I think there's almost no more meaning to continue playing this game, since the new content is only +20 lvl +1 new area... and thats about it. Feels like circle turning round and round again...

[Gazuke12]

Duel Badge??

i get thats

[magmadude]

Dude, just think about it, if now they has E-wings, then the meaning of these events they put would be meaningless. Also, now heroic wings are in demand, if they put E-wings in dungeons and we d oa bit of calculation with the number of lvl85 people, then i think the difference between the powerful and the weak is gonna increase. Also, E-wings are needed for the last stages of wings upgradation, so what will be the fun if you can just find them lying around in dungeons? Also, the 1 area is very big and +20 levels aren't that easy. Also, when you hit lvl100 with your cool armors, you will be liek soloing Exelorn Hollows or maybe before and thats that! Its gonna totally hollow the economy like the name because E-wings are teh only things not available without money/rare events after the GMUTs event dude!

[Jmrocks]

what name of server have lvl 85+??

[EthanHawk]

Heck Psychodelica has better gem compared to new dungeon. In Psychodelica you can get flawed,scratched and normal gems. In Exelorn Hollows you only get flawed in hardmode and scratched in nightmare mode. People don't play this game for months to get less. What's the point of playing in a long run if you will get the same items you get when you're still a beginner? There should be an improvement on drops. Some will say you get major enchancement crystal in doing the new dungeon. Damn right, that's the only thing worth getting in there(not 100% drop). If they didn't add the major enchancement crystal I doubt someone will do that new dungeon. Level 80 Epic armour sucks!

What will change if they add 1-2 Ewings and Gmuts per dungeon run ? You need 13 Ewings per try starting at Angel Lord Wings. And you are lucky enough if you get +1 to your wings with 10 attemtps. That's 130 Ewings.

[BrotherVT]

Maybe the Epic sucks, but the Legendary Sets are amazing.
Enchanted Skill Dust has become such a common item in my server, so prices are only around 10g-15g.

Heck, if you don't like the dungeon, then don't do it.

Soon in time, there will be an E-Wing from HW Exchange just as they have done with the GMUTs, but since GMUts have been a more popular event which people prefer more over Wings since most players are still upgrading their wings with HW, then there's no point in releasing the Event just yet.

Them having MEC as a drop would definitely ruin that item as a Cash Shop Item, as rare as it may be. Heck, it could be the drop rate of how rare it is to hatch a Fire Lord, and people will still not buy the MEC in the Item Shop knowing it's possible to get it.

In terms of business, they keep the rare items within the Item Shop only obtainable through very few special occasions and Events.

This way, they preserve the rarity of the item in order for Cashers to buy the items.
Look at Dragon Crystals, now. They use to be such a rare item, but now, it's so common, that it's become a joke.

Ethan, think about this within a business perspective - and let's say you are the owner of the game. Would you rather be making money through these Major Enchantment Crystals / Ethereal Wings or would you rather lose money from people no longer wanting to buy it?

It's a sensible business perspective - even if you are a regular non-casher player such as myself.

In order for one to succeed, one must preserve the uniqueness of certain qualities and items.
That's exactly what R2 is doing.

I, for one, don't really care much for what items drop in the Dungeon, but hey, maybe that's just because I'm only a Lv. 59 Mortal Rogue with 3k PATK. (Totally showing off right there just because I can)

When it becomes the right time, they'll most likely release a HW - EW Exchange Event, but only until a very hefty amount of players have reached the point.
I know a few non-cashers who have Angel Lord Wings or whatever beastly wings it was that requires EW.

In order for a non-casher to flourish. one must first learn patience, virtue and determination if they wish to rise to the top without spending cash.
People say there is a major different between Cashers vs. Non-Cashers, correct?

Maybe in the lower levels, yes, but once you have reached the Level Cap, there isn't much of a difference.
A Knight with 7.5k PATK could beat a Rogue with 10k+ PATK just due to the passive being one reason - and the builds of the characters.

One could have Angel Lord Wings while the other only has Fire Lord Wings - and the Fire Lord Wings could win.
One could have a Gorilla Titan/Gryphon vs. a Hellwing and the Hellwing would still lose.

This is what it means to have patience, virtue and determination.
This is a great example of why Cashing will not give such a great advantage over the non-cashers, whether they want to believe it or not.

There's my rant.

Edit: I forgot to mention one thing.
Quoting back to what I mentioned about losing money or gaining money through the MEC or EW, there's something else.
A business is meant to bring in Revenue and ensure that they gain more money than they do losing.
Major Enchantment and Moderate Enchantments and EW are some of the most popular Cash Shop Items.
This is what brings in their Revenue.

The lack of other items being bought such as Gems is what makes them lose money.
They gain some, they lose some - but still bring in the profit.

Do you understand how a business works, now?

Let's say you want to apply to work at a certain company. What's the first thing a person wants to see? For me, it's if the company can make a lot of profit by looking at their balance sheet.

TBC until I finish work.

[EthanHawk]

Maybe the Epic sucks, but the Legendary Sets are amazing.
Enchanted Skill Dust has become such a common item in my server, so prices are only around 10g-15g.

Soon in time, there will be an E-Wing from HW Exchange just as they have done with the GMUTs, but since GMUts have been a more popular event which people prefer more over Wings since most players are still upgrading their wings with HW, then there's no point in releasing the Event just yet.

This way, they preserve the rarity of the item in order for Cashers to buy the items.
Look at Dragon Crystals, now. They use to be such a rare item, but now, it's so common, that it's become a joke.

I, for one, don't really care much for what items drop in the Dungeon, but hey, maybe that's just because I'm only a Lv. 59 Mortal Rogue with 3k PATK. (Totally showing off right there just because I can)

When it becomes the right time, they'll most likely release a HW - EW Exchange Event, but only until a very hefty amount of players have reached the point.
I know a few non-cashers who have Angel Lord Wings or whatever beastly wings it was that requires EW.

One could have Angel Lord Wings while the other only has Fire Lord Wings - and the Fire Lord Wings could win.
One could have a Gorilla Titan/Gryphon vs. a Hellwing and the Hellwing would still lose.

This is what it means to have patience, virtue and determination.
This is a great example of why Cashing will not give such a great advantage over the non-cashers, whether they want to believe it or not.

There's my rant.

May I ask what server are you playing ? If there are lots of Enchanted Skill Dust on your server then you are lucky to have lots of Cashier/Maller in your server. Too bad not every server have those people spending lots of real money.

Question is when they will make an Ewings Exchange like they did with Gmut exchange ? If they are planning to make an event like that then I would not ask to add Ewings to the new dungeon. Too bad again coz there is still no event like that.

Dragon crystal is common ? There is an event called bounty hunting where you get 1 Dragon Crystal per day. But having 1 Dragon Crystal per day isn't common at all.

That's the problem here, You don't care about your character that is why you don't care about the dungeon drops. I've been playing for 6-7 months now and I worked hard for everything my character has. I want my character to get stronger, unlike you. Maybe when you are serious to play then maybe that's the time you will ask for better drops.

I got my Angel Lord Wings 3-4 months ago, Now my wings is Angel Lord Wings +4. You think +4 upgrade is enough within that 3-4 months period ? Again the question is when there will be an Ewings Exchange like you we're saying ?

If you lose to someone who has lower gear than you then you have a problem somewhere. Either you don't know how to play or you really suck. (I'm not reffering to you, I am reffering to those who has better gear)

I do have those patience, virtue and determination. I wouldn't play this long if I don't have those. I am only paying VIP per month but I can still own those cashier/maller.

[BrotherVT]

Lol I don't work hard for my items?
Did you not fully read my rant?

I'm a Lv. 59 Rogue Mortal with 3K PATK. Let me repeat that: 3,000 PATK.
Do you ever see that often? The most PATK I've seen a Rogue have at my level is probably only like 1,500 - 2,000 with the Lv. 61 Demonfog Bayonet - and just wait when mine is equipped along with it.

Dragon Crystals IS common due to the Events that have taken place. There are people who have saved over 100+ Dragon Crystals selling them at a good 2g-3g a piece. Events like the Card Exchange is what gave them these Dragon Crystals.
And I play on Aquatic Crypts, FYI. Sure, I don't have that high level of Wings - only Dual Angel Wings IV but only because I sell my Wings for money at 50s Each.

I've been working on this character for probably at most 2 Months almost 3 Months. That's an impressive development within that time frame.
I've been able to solo Vault Nightmare starting at Lv. 51 or 52 thanks to the Scion Buffs + my Soul Development - pretty high for my level.

And it's not Cashers/Mallers that gave us so many Enchanted Skill Dust. It's also the Card Exchange Event that everybody was doing - even on their Alts - at least one person had 5 Alts doing Card Exchange for the items.
So yes, it is common.

I do play serious, also, FYI.
During the GMUT Event, I was only able to use probably about 3 stacks at most of MUTs in order to turn them into GMUTs and only got about 5 1/2 Stars for my Gorilla Titan. I've been working hard on my character ever since I started developing it. This was during the time that made basically every item plummet. No items could be sold. Wings wouldn't even be sold at 50s Each 90% of the time. No one needed items - they needed Gold. Everybody rejected each others offers - the best offers you could possibly find for certain items.
In another server, one of our fellow Moderators' guild mate asked to sell them wings for 10s Ea. 10 SILVER EACH. What a joke, isn't it?

Sure, I'm not that high of a level, but I also work for a living. I work every Monday-Saturday just so I can pay off bills, debts, etc.
So that isn't my problem. You shouldn't be throwing out assumptions the way you have at me.

I am proud of what I have made my Rogue into. I am proud of the items I have worked hard for. I am proud of just about any aspect of my character.
I can't even do Sengolia Battlegrounds anymore ever since I started working. How do I get my Silver Badges? Hell, I take my chances with the Wishing Well - and damn well do I get lots of em'.

Here's another thing. You pay for VIP. I don't. I buy my Cash Shop items with in-game currency from these Cashers and there are only about a few cashers that may appear once every few months.
This one casher who disappeared out of the blue, was selling Pack Expanders to everyone and anyone for 10g Ea. That was a deal back then!

Also, the point of my rant was not to point out things in-game.
It was to point out how a business operates and why they need to preserve the rarity of certain items in order to have revenue flow in.

And did you know that during one of these past Events, it gave players a chance to obtain Therions? Knowing how long you've played, you should know how rare and impossible they basically are to get - especially when they are only obtainable through means of the Black Dragon Hunt. Players in my server were buying them from 50g - 1d each - and damn did they sell.
These were non-cashers buying these Therions, by the way.

That's it for this post.

[EthanHawk]

That's the thing, You think your char is already good. That's why you are not looking for more. My character have Angel Lord Wings, Purple Slayer Armors, Orange Weapon plus Hellwing. With the current loot/drop from all dungeon, where do you think I can still improve? Aside from the major enchancement crystal you get from the New Dungeon. Most drop are useless for my character.

[BrotherVT]

It's good for my level, I said. Not good enough.

My character is still in development - and that much I know.
Of course I'm going to gloat about how good my character is right now and I have a right to if I can basically murk any character around my level and even a few higher levels.
And who said I wasn't striving for more? I've said things like how I sell my Wings because I need Gold. Gold is what runs this game - and that's the main component for me to continue further into the game.

And I see your issue there - someone else mentioned the same thing and this is what I said to them.
What about your friends and/or your Guild Mates?
Do they all have any high tier wings such as yourself?
Do they all have a Gorilla Titan or higher?
Do all of them even have a Battle Bear to begin with?

There are many things you could do besides helping yourself.
Now of course, I'm throwing out an assumption saying that you only help yourself.
I don't know who you are in-game or even what server you play.
This is me picturing all of this within my own perspective.

You say most of the drops are useless to your character. Then sell those items for the Gold and buy the Ethereal Wings.
Farm MUTs / Heroic Wings for your Guild/Friends.
This game is basically like a complex calculus problem.
There are plenty of ways to solve a problem, but which is the quickest and easiest way to explain the problem?

You can still improve - but you do not think about all the different ways of obtaining these items - especially as a non-casher.
I'm sure you have a Demon King / Burning Angel or hell even both - but there is still MORE you can do.

[EthanHawk]

At this new content of the game, the new lvl 85 dungeon doesnt drop Eternal-Wings? And again still drops Heroic Wings...
At this point of game, I think R2 should think about putting E-wings as drop. H-Wings is almost like Mount tokens, soon or later it will be useless again.
Will make event like G-munt again, but with wings? Come on. When we hit lvl 100, it will still be the same as before....soul and gems...

Somehow I think there's almost no more meaning to continue playing this game, since the new content is only +20 lvl +1 new area... and thats about it. Feels like circle turning round and round again...

This!

@BrotherTV

I have two toons with 30+ platinum each. If there are people selling Ewings, don't you think I will not buy them ? The problem is none of them selling Ewings. Anyway I don't think you can understand where I am coming from. You are at beginning stage of the game and I am at the later stage of the game. Your needs is different from mine. I am with the same situation of the 1st poster here, so I agree with him.

[Botolminum]

I'm in the same situation too, I haven't got anything to do that can improve my stats further since 1-2 months ago... The point is hard work in this game doesn't reward you at all. Yes I can make money, etc and so on, but before this event, no one was selling ethereal wings in my server, or pet breeding stone, or anything that doesn't have an event yet basically, so money is useless, unless you offer outrageous overpriced amount for 1 pc of those cash items, which is ..... retarded.

and even with this event, those cash shop items are still way too expensive to be worth the price. FYI, upgrading with ethereal wings are not the same like heroic wings, Ever used 600+ heroic wings for 1 upgrade ? Yea... I don't think so.

I'm not exactly sure how does it work in other Crystal version, but it seems heroic wings are quite rare in other Crystal version, and because of that, in the chinese server, they have a 1 on 1 synth for heroic wing -> ethereal wing, and mut -> gmut, and it only cost 50 silver each, but the point is I think heroic wings were quite rare in the beginning of those servers.

This can be easily fixed IMO, why not make only 1-2 bosses drop 1 ethereal wing, so there aren't that many ethereal wings being dropped, but quite enough supply per day. For example, Only Sloth and Pride can drop it (something similar like the Rueful soul essence) but with the drop rate of the wraith soul essence from hitomi, seems like a good enough rate for me if ethereal wings drop like that.

[venomeh]

This can be easily fixed IMO, why not make only 1-2 bosses drop 1 ethereal wing, so there aren't that many ethereal wings being dropped, but quite enough supply per day. For example, Only Sloth and Pride can drop it (something similar like the Rueful soul essence) but with the drop rate of the wraith soul essence from hitomi, seems like a good enough rate for me if ethereal wings drop like that.

This sounds good.

[BrotherVT]

You still don't understand the whole point of our argument here.

With that, I end it here.

And there you go throwing out your assumptions.

I have plenty of high leveled friends who DO need these items.

Clearly, you are being ignorant to understand what I was attempting to convey to you, so I'll leave it at that.

[star4000]

If u didn't know there's so many cash player that already quit because of the slow releasing content of the game. Everything is a business, but with people quitting this game day by day, they will lose money instead of gaining it. If not, they will be no needed to merge servers.

Upgrading a toon takes time but when you feel that you are running in circle, perhaps there's no point continue playing it. In chinese version is lvl135 cap right now and, well as you saw b4, u can syn HW to EW and Mut to Gmut, but they release a lot more content to keep player continue playing it.

As R2 going right now, the next upgrade of the game will be 2nd rebirth and you have to do it all over again, but that will be in a couple of months from now. As far as I look at the slow releasing content, the new area and lvl cap 120, will be next year 2013. By then you think you will be still be playing?LOL

Wings is one of the best features of this game, cause it makes your char looks nice. But when you are stuck with Angel Lord Wings for another year for it to drop... Think all my friends already quit. You guys saw E3? Well, R2 is in a lot of competition as it now, Diablo 3 took a lot of players away from this game. So for me, if they don't do anything to keep the players, there will be more merge by the end of year... Let's say S1-2-3 with S4-5-6.....