When do cheats get punished?

[ElusionM]

Below, is a screenshot of two players, both very close in the game. Played together from the beginning..

I have played with both players, use to be part of their team for ladder and what not, I got to know them very well.
So for me to log back in after just a couple months and see these outrageous stats and hear people tell me it was practically obtained overnight.. Makes me think they have cheated.

Majority of the cashers who actually spent more than these 2 back in the day, don't even stand a chance.



So, with numerous tickets being submitted, Akuma was banned.. Later, unbanned. Lol.

It's possible, I know, maybe they won the lottery.. But how much do you think was spent?
Maxed soul, mount, wings, etc etc as far as I know.

To be banned once to me sounds like they found out he cheated, to be unbanned makes me wonder if he found a way around it.
Probably nothing, but whenever servers crashed and a string of text came up, he was always eager to take note of it.. Could he have gathered enough information to do anything with it? Dunno.. Not my thing.

[ShadowGammaDraco]

My advice would be, if tickets have been filed. stay in contact with it and provide substantial evidence.
if haven't filed a ticket, file one with substantial evidence and be patient. otherwise you can land yourself in trouble for spam reporting people who support R2 and in effect help everyone have a better game to play by donating so much. its also not a good thing to twist evidence and make people look like hackers over and over when they aren't, if you do that to make them get banned by giving false evidence then come to find out its not true, they will get unbanned and the spam reporter will be the one logging in to a surprise.
its happened to me before being spam reported by haters.
How much they cash is between them and R2. long as the purchases are all verified(which R2 games will be only one who can actually look at records and you wont see their payment records etc) and clean its none of our business, &should give them space +respect. Less they decide to tell you about how much they cash themselves.
its possible they had that crystal even when didn't seem like it when you played with them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_%28car%29

A sleeper (US English) or Q-car (British English) is a car that has high performance and an unassuming exterior. Sleeper cars are termed such because their exterior looks little or no different from a standard or economy-class car. In some cases the car appears worse due to seeming neglect on the owner's part, typically referred to as "all go and no show". While appearing to be a standard or neglected car, internally they are modified to perform at higher performance levels. The American nomenclature comes from the term sleeper agent, while the British term derives from the Q-ships used by the Royal Navy.

The earliest known reference to the term 'Q-car' is in the February 1963 edition of Motor Sport magazine. The editor, Bill Boddy, said of the Lotus Cortina: "...the modifications carried out by Lotus have turned it in to a 'Q' car par excellence...".

usually people do that to find out the type of people around them before they go showing they have a lot of stuff cause beggars and people who claim others are cheats/hacks etc, like : is your friend your friend or do they only care about meeting your wallet for lunch and dinner every day.

[ElusionM]

Not sleepers, this was not a new server. Their attack when I left a few months ago was 30k.
Couple of months go past and they've jumped 170k in attack? and over 1mil in HP? I've checked other peoples stats and again, nowhere near the same level, so it's not like all the new added content that give them the push.

After hearing reports of the jump being overnight, and knowing his income was nowhere near the amount he spent, I'm inclinded to believe he did cheat. He was a fairly moderate/above average casher. Probably around the $100-200 a week mark. I can't say for sure.

But it's impossible to prove anything, unless he openly admits that he did and how he did it. Only R2 can check this.

[ShadowGammaDraco]

As I told mr.seagal, it is not your concern what I spend my money on. And it is also not your concern how much I cash.
When we had the ESD packs in fate shop, I claimed that I only bought one of those, but infact I bought a few, but I prefer to not let people know how much I spend. It is not your concern, simple as that.

If you don't know the sources for pc a.k.a. alts with vip running dungeons, 13 exelorn / purga runs a day, buying from other player, then you will never get enough pc for your mount. Maybe you should learn the basics first.

^that would count as a "Sleeper Char", as all the product was stored in the trunk for a rainy day while giving outer appearance didn't have much. I follow the same pattern in a old server, I save up lot of high powered stuff then gear up when its ready. in older servers it is far easier to upgrade things as well if you know how to work the market. in last few days as a non casher doing dungeons and selling/trading DC for gems has earned me 5 flawless gems(about a Flawless gem a day). had personally saved even the FSE when it was still Arctic Bequether shards till i had a stack or so even though was a item everyone branded as useless and tossed aside. other people like to gather items and collect too.
Zodiac at max can give 200k health. not saying that they have max zodiac level. just that there are ways to get a lot of HP. like sperion&soul at highest levels etc.
&yes R2 is the only one that can actually look into the situation as some players have been working on their characters for 2 years now. that's a lot of time possible to store items and crystal.
which is why its best to be patient. then if they are deemed clear, be content with R2's response-let it go unless something actually happens that's questionable. but shouldn't spend time being jealous over how much someone spent hoping to get them in trouble in some way because didnt get them banned when tried. you'll have more fun when you stop worrying about everyone else and focus on yourself. maybe will even get yourself some upgrades where ppl call you hacker/rich casher for when just did hard work or used smart tactics.

here's someone you can compare them to.

person has no weapon, no buffs besides seal broken Blessing of peace, no pixie out, no insignia, no sperion. just lv 100 purg drop equips and gems +soul mount and max wings.
600k health almost listed there.

lv 6 priest RB buff priest attack buff and defense, almost 650k health there.

with pixie


another priest can compare to

[ElusionM]

It's not a sleeper. Sleeper would be someone who stores everything up and blows it out in one hit. You think he stored up enough of everything to max Wings, Mount, Soul and every other damn thing in the game that can be maxed?

He either won the lottery or came into a large, substantial amount of money. (Selling house/boat etc) or used an exploit, and based on that thread, he linked another thread which allows others to abuse old events..? Maybe that has something to do with it then?

[ShadowGammaDraco]

It's not a sleeper. Sleeper would be someone who stores everything up and blows it out in one hit. You think he stored up enough of everything to max Wings, Mount, Soul and every other damn thing in the game that can be maxed?

He either won the lottery or came into a large, substantial amount of money. (Selling house/boat etc) or used an exploit, and based on that thread, he linked another thread which allows others to abuse old events..? Maybe that has something to do with it then?

again. your just making assumptions, if your wrong, wouldn't you owe them a massive apology for trying to make them out to be a bad person? this thread will be closed. if you have filed a ticket wait for a response and the investigation to finish. there's nothing debatable about it that will make any truth hidden if there is any come to light on these forums. just a bunch of grasping at straws. be patient. wait for the ticket to be handled.