Do you think the Priest Eidolon skills are good?

[Chelsia]

No donkey votes thanks. Or random votes with no reason, you ruin the statistics

Comments from the people who think they should stay as it is please? I want to see the reason.

Ok, being honest, I am expecting this poll to be close to 100% voting NO THESE SKILLS SUCK.

If you think that the priest Eidolon skills are fair, think again.
All the other classes get immunity of some sort:
Rangers - passive immunity, activates every few seconds
Mages - massive health regen
etc...

So what do us priests get?
1. Heals. Damn the heals already, when I'm an eidolon I want to PvP. I don't care about PvE anymore, it's too easy, no one needs heals. If I really wanted to heal, I have my Light heal and my Healing wave (party heal) really? 1 more heal?
2. A skill to cast with 12% of your HP just to run away from your enemy. Oh I'm sorry but I don't like to back down in battle. If I really wanted to run, I would use my curses, it's good enough for a 6 second freeze on your enemy. Why would I use anything else and waste my skill points to give me enemy immunity?? Compare this skill to the ranger's wither trap and compare it to the curses, THE MORTAL SKILLS BEATS IT!

GMs please do something about these skills! It's not fair that priests cannot PvP with the same level of players as us.

[venomeh]

Oh hello trolls! (That's pretty childish tbh.) Click the number on the rightside of the redbar to see 1 or 2 random antipriests spamming that with multiple accounts..:')

[nubheals]

Lol looks like there are only 3 real votes for the red bar :P

[venomeh]

Lol looks like there are only 3 real votes for the red bar :P

From people who doesn't play Priest

[sebastian1988]

GMUT Eventz plz.

jk, great another thread. the GMs already know about those complaints. its up to them to change them or not.
and everyone who thinks that the skills are good is a troll..

its like me saying: hey im a rogue but id love to heal, now that im eidolon. pls change my skills. great, another atk skill.
since u like to state that all other classes have an invul skill, then pls again, how is the 1 second invul skill of rogues better than ur healing?

i know many priests who can pick up decent fights, crit for 80k and more dmg. and almost 1hitting people. its not easy to tank that at all.
also u can selfheal urself and kite pretty awesome with ur curses. do you know how tiring it is for a melee class to fight you?

how about taking your advantages away instead? not being able to solo ur bath runs anymore, to reduce movespeed in delivery to 0, no more hp regen in tamalan.
guess that just fair since you want to balance things out..

i didnt vote yet, but i pretty much would vote for ur skills being fair. because i have to fight priests and i consider them a threat.
and not being to fight knights equally.. cmon, no class can. knights will always be overpowered.

I just dont get how you seriously believe that your class sucks so much when I know so many really good priests.

[allcode17]

may be the people who vote YES are also the moderator & staff & admin of CS, hehehe they lazy to do something & program improvement on the skill... hehehe joke only.

[MemoryLane]

may be the people who vote YES are also the moderator & staff & admin of CS, hehehe they lazy to do something & program improvement on the skill... hehehe joke only.

Joke or not, it's this type of comment that gets these types of threads overlooked. Instead of calling Staff lazy (moderators can be left out because we are just players who moderate the forums), or just post blanket complaints saying "class sucks, fix it", how about start with what the skill is, what the skill does, and what you suggest the skill should do. Constructive, substantial, informative threads get looked at, trolly, flaming, and all around rude ones do not.

[nubheals]

GMUT Eventz plz.

jk, great another thread. the GMs already know about those complaints. its up to them to change them or not.
and everyone who thinks that the skills are good is a troll..

its like me saying: hey im a rogue but id love to heal, now that im eidolon. pls change my skills. great, another atk skill.
since u like to state that all other classes have an invul skill, then pls again, how is the 1 second invul skill of rogues better than ur healing?

i know many priests who can pick up decent fights, crit for 80k and more dmg. and almost 1hitting people. its not easy to tank that at all.
also u can selfheal urself and kite pretty awesome with ur curses. do you know how tiring it is for a melee class to fight you?

how about taking your advantages away instead? not being able to solo ur bath runs anymore, to reduce movespeed in delivery to 0, no more hp regen in tamalan.
guess that just fair since you want to balance things out..

i didnt vote yet, but i pretty much would vote for ur skills being fair. because i have to fight priests and i consider them a threat.
and not being to fight knights equally.. cmon, no class can. knights will always be overpowered.

I just dont get how you seriously believe that your class sucks so much when I know so many really good priests.

I know rogues are squishy without stealth and can easily get 1-shot, and if we see a rogue unstealthed we can easily kite him. But then again rogue can still approach and kill us from stealth + stun so I guess that is balanced out. The only other melee is knight, and I honestly don't see how knight has difficulty killing priests considering the insane reduction + hook + stun combo. And healing in PvP is useless, at least during a fight, because 1s cast for 40k heal is nothing compared to the amount of insane crit DPS people are doing.

Regarding the skill itself and your comment on rogue and selfheal, then they are the totally different thing here. We are not asking for a DPS skill at all, nor are we trying to change our role. Holy priest is meant for support and Blood priest is meant for PvP, I'm fully aware of that. What we are asking for is to make the skills more practically usable, because as I have tried to tell you all the times in other threads: none of the above 2 skills are worth using 90% of the time. And when you have an Eidolon skill that does less than Mortal skills, then something is wrong there. The current suggestions are just to make eidolon heal somehow better than mortal skills, even if it means increased cooldown; and to make bloody arces more useful than wither trap / curses

[speeds16]

I like the Eidolon healing-skill so 1) up yours. 2) Bloody acres should do what it's description tells you: "spikes come up from the ground
(
Couldn't find a better picture due to all the blood & gore the other ones had)
and root all enemies within there for #sec" <- add a little DoT like curses have and no invincibility for the targets and you have yourself a proper Bloody Acres (no blood without damage right?). That's the only adjustment I'd like to see in there.

[adrimid]

This is why I have all emeralds in my gear.
I just use the excuse: "Oh, I'm not pvp build."

8D
I'm a chicken.

[Zatemo]

Joke or not, it's this type of comment that gets these types of threads overlooked. Instead of calling Staff lazy (moderators can be left out because we are just players who moderate the forums), or just post blanket complaints saying "class sucks, fix it", how about start with what the skill is, what the skill does, and what you suggest the skill should do. Constructive, substantial, informative threads get looked at, trolly, flaming, and all around rude ones do not.

On behalf of allcode17 I'll apologise for her. If I may, please look at the alternatives/suggestions I've posted in these types of threads:
Eidolon and Scion Skill suggestions:
http://forum.r2games.com/showthread....l=1#post229361
Mortal skill suggestions:
http://forum.r2games.com/showthread....l=1#post201111
http://forum.r2games.com/showthread....l=1#post201858

[nubheals]

Oh right, speeds mentioned in another thread that Eidolon heal is not ticking heal properly. I tested it again and found out that the healing interval is totally unreliable: it starts too late (eg. 3s after you begin casting), then the heal interval felt like wasn't fixed at 2s, and sometimes the last tick occurred a second or 2 after you have finished casting the skill.

Anyone else noticed that? And do you think it should be reported in the bug section or we just leave it with the hope that the skill will be remade to be more useful soon?

[Chelsia]

I've gone through reading the comments, and there are way too many to quote, so I will just write out a huge massive response here:

Yes priests can pick up decent fights, but after eidolon rebirth, priest skills are the weakest. Yes the heals are good, yes they are useful nice, but I ask you, how do they help in PvP? Ok holy priests heal only, no problem. What about the blood skill? Blood priests PvP, that everyone agrees right? The skill, is basically saying, oh I give you immunity, let me run and live another day. Sounds nice? and from past threads I've seen, compare that skill with the mortal trap of a nature ranger, wither trap is better then that eidolon skill, sounds cool right? (sarcasm)

Rogues have their stun and cloak that balances everything out, yes rogues are weak and squishy, but hey I CAN'T SEE YOU HALF THE TIME. It's not like priests can hide, if they could, no one would complain. The rogue is a melee damager, they have a fast attack, like 2-3 hits per second for a normal rogue, and if you say that 80k crit, you mean lightbeam critting, that would be a cast time first. I know a bunch of rogues (same lvl as me) that can crit for 40k and basically crit every single hit. So overall, rogues have way more dps then priests, but no I'm not complaining about that, rogues live to dps. But you saying rogues are weak? Very funny. Yes the rogue eidolon skill may be the second worst, but it is no where near as bad as the priest one (mainly the blood skill).

The people who vote yes with their multiple account are just stupid and can be ignored. None of those votes for yes are counting for me as I see no reason for them (perhaps only 1 or 2, but there are 12 there right now, so just taking them as 2 votes for yes and 24 for no).

But I don't think it's very fair to say that the people who vote yes are mods and admins, I'd have to say, some of them are priests themselves, and I also know mods are doing something about it. A relief to know that (and the only thing keeping me on this game).

Kiting doesn't work very well for priests, we have lightbeam, that is a cast skill, so basically saying cancel the cast >> then run. It's not very good, and personally, I prefer not to kite it -less excuses for people who say you run away from battle blah blah blah. Also the stun from rogues, knights and mages, also the slow from mages and rangers, that just makes it very annoying to try to run and cast pure in heart / goddess embrace to get rid of the effects at the same time.

As for suggestions, I would say get rid of the "immunity for rooted people" that is just plain stupid. Get rid of that, and the blood skill won't be half that bad. Though, for 12% HP, I would think that some added dmg while that person is rooted within that area is nice, since 12% HP is a lot ~ especially in PvP.
-reason why I didn't make any suggestions before is leaving the choice more for the GMs, I mean, no one asked as about what suggestions we have right? Perhaps the GMs have something in mind already, it feels like a bit of a gimme gimme if we suggest something that we think is nice, but it might unbalance the game, etc etc as we are not the GMs, and don't know how the game functions (at least not as well as the GMs). Though, suggestions are plenty I believe.

And yes, as to Eidolon heals, they are a bit funny, I see my heals going off after 3-4 seconds into the cast time, then only healing like 3 times (2 seconds per heal, so 3x2=6 seconds, only 6 seconds of the cast time is doing anything, the other 4, just... gone??). But overall, this skill is only useful in ladder for levels where you know you can pass easily, aka, no need to revive anyone, as the cast time, well, just makes the priest unable to do anything else. And as mentioned above, to cancel the cast then revive is not very practical. I know how that feels, I usually press the wrong skill in ladder lol

[nubheals]

Honestly, if there is a lvl in ladder that you can pass easily, then 99% of the time the ladder regen can out-heal the damage fast enough that priests don't even need to heal >.< even if you do, a quick cast of circle of healing or instant healing wave is normally more than enough. There is no need for eidolon heal on such easy floors, why root yourself for 4s (for first heal tick) when you can cast 2 aoe heals in less than 1.5s that in total would heal more?

And don't forget that, as the game progresses and the players developed more, we will have a higher limit for ladder that we won't be needing heal. There will surely come a time when a pt can just go rampage to the highest floor. By that time (even in a far future), eidolon heal will be useless. Now would you tell me that a lvl 200 skill being useless in the long run while lvl 1 skill is still useful (to a certain extent) is logical?

I'm just worried about the future of priest there, we already have enough stupid mortal skills that are useless or do practically nothing at high lvl (holy light, life drain, bloodguard, even grace). At least don't let eidolon heal to fall into that same category, not after all the effort we put into the game to reach that skill.

[Chelsia]

Have you been to 40+ ladder? You need to heal your tank in those lvls. One day you can just rampage ladder, but I think that you haven't been very high yet, always you can rampage a few lvls but you have to heal higher up in ladder. Circle of healing has a cooldown, and yeah I only use eidolon skill cause I'm just too lazy to hit my hotkey for each lvl that needs to heal tank, also I use eidolon skill when we have mages and rogues as they normally take a bit of damage no matter what.

But yes, other than that, I agree with you, most priest skills are just useless. I can solo lots of dungeons without even using pots.. just click on the boss and watch, I don't use pots or heals, not even angle's blessing...