Seriously is anything ever gonna be done about priests!!!

[shibb]

This is the only class that suffers in all departments. Gear adds casting speed when they want attack speed for bloodbeam, very low hit rating so they suffer against anything with a high dodge, very low crit so they are poor DPS, then in ladder you would think they wud be helpful but no cos rangers can heal for more then priests. what is the point in the priest class if nothing is good about them except buffs...

[Mupin]

Excuse you.. I'm not sure if you have come across some really bad priests or people really don't know how to build them.

I out heal rangers in ladder. Nearly ALL priests DPS hard enough to solo all levels of the Nightmare dungeons. (If they grasp that AB skill)

As for low hit rate.. Priests cannot stand and do one on one battle with any of the other classes. We are two squishy. Yet if you play correctly, hit and run will get you the most kills ( In say for example Seng), Keep you alive the longest.

In my opinion. Casting speed is what you need, Bloodbeam ( and all the rest of the skills other than curses) Are a waste of time and effort to put into them.

I'm holy with curses.

I understand that priests are a whole lot less workable than the rest of the classes, It does end up being very disappointing when you tower on into new planes. But its still all in how you build.. =\

[venomeh]

Excuse you.. I'm not sure if you have come across some really bad priests or people really don't know how to build them.

I out heal rangers in ladder. Nearly ALL priests DPS hard enough to solo all levels of the Nightmare dungeons. (If they grasp that AB skill)

As for low hit rate.. Priests cannot stand and do one on one battle with any of the other classes. We are two squishy. Yet if you play correctly, hit and run will get you the most kills ( In say for example Seng), Keep you alive the longest.

In my opinion. Casting speed is what you need, Bloodbeam ( and all the rest of the skills other than curses) Are a waste of time and effort to put into them.

I'm holy with curses.

I understand that priests are a whole lot less workable than the rest of the classes, It does end up being very disappointing when you tower on into new planes. But its still all in how you build.. =\

If both Priest and Ranger has about same amount of Matk, from insta cast heals Ranger's quickheal heals more than Priest's Healing Wave. Dungeons are nothing about "DPSing hard enough". And nopes it's not, you'll be weak anyways, no matter how you build it. -sigh-

[Mupin]

Build plays a great role in what your priest is going to be.. Gems, Gear, Wings, Mount, etc.

If both Priest and Ranger has about same amount of Matk

How do you change that? Gear, Gems? 8D WHOO, math.

from insta cast heals Ranger's quickheal heals more than Priest's Healing Wave.

Your comparing a basic skill to a skill that's suited to heal everyone within the circle. Not that basic heal skill of a priest, or how many can be patterned out with correct timing.

Dungeons are nothing about "DPSing hard enough"

Does actually. Most are able to tank it due to the constant flow of self-heals. But if they can't supply the even amount of DPS then dungeons are pointless and time consuming.

There is many things you can do to your priest to adjust around certain things, others you cannot and you just gotta get over it. (Cause I doubt they will be doing any rearranging.)

Plus, I also did state.

Priests cannot stand and do one on one battle with any of the other classes. We are two squishy.

We are considered the weakest class when it comes to PvP, that is very true. Yet I think alot of people look passed those priests who aren't dumb enough to charge into the line like knights...

[venomeh]

Build plays a great role in what your priest is going to be.. Gems, Gear, Wings, Mount, etc.



How do you change that? Gear, Gems? 8D WHOO, math.

Gear, Gems, Wings has nothing to do with build? Isn't it just which attribute & which skills you have what determines your build?

Your comparing a basic skill to a skill that's suited to heal everyone within the circle. Not that basic heal skill of a priest, or how many can be patterned out with correct timing.

Still, Rangers being able to get higher heal from insta heal is kinda scrwd up. >_>

Does actually. Most are able to tank it due to the constant flow of self-heals. But if they can't supply the even amount of DPS then dungeons are pointless and time consuming.

The bosses doesn't have any hp regen thingies till Psychodelica, right? So how does hard DPS affect your dungeoning, well except the speed you're doing it.

There is many things you can do to your priest to adjust around certain things, others you cannot and you just gotta get over it. (Cause I doubt they will be doing any rearranging.)

Sure there are, but how about when you have about every useful thing you can get? And they REALLY should.

Plus, I also did state.

We are considered the weakest class when it comes to PvP, that is very true. Yet I think alot of people look passed those priests who aren't dumb enough to charge into the line like knights...

Okay this part I didn't really understand ;s

[wapong]

GM considered this one, im agree in this thread, customer is always right!!!

[Alexmancer]

You are wrong on a lot of points. Priest are rather sturdy and are a great help in Ladder. I'd much rather have a priest healing me than a ranger. Priests in ladder, because of self heals, can actually be very good at taking damage and can easily make good secondary tanks in case anything happens. If people start dying kite, curse, res, kite more. If you know what you are doing, priests are a great and rewarding class, though they require some patience and are not meant for beginner players.

Yes, there are lots of things priests are lacking in and there are many problems with them, but I can assure you, GMs ARE looking into the issue. In fact, I'm collaborating with a mod that is reporting to them about various problems with the class. The GMs arent' sure what exactly is wrong and need more specifics in order to fix things. But that in no way means the Priest class is completely weak and useless.

[speeds16]

I really don't see a ranger outheal a priest any time of day -.- I have an pretty much equally developed alt-priest who's Lightheal is 46k~ and my quickheal (1/5) only 34k~. Put them against eachother in numbers and you'll find Lightheal a LOT better. (put the 1.5sec cast of LH Vs. the 5sec CD on QH and you'll see). Also for Ladder: have 2 priests with each 3 curses and you don't even need to kite, just curse-lock the mobs and have Ranged DPS'ers have their way with the mobs. Works great for any ladderlevel with melee mobs.

I'm curious though, Alex howmuch more specific do the GM's need their feedback about priests? A forum Mod made the most elaborate MMORPG-thread ever found online I think about suggestions on them.

[Alexmancer]

The problem mostly is how many posts were in threads like that and they don't have time to go through all the posts in a 20-page thread. They wanted a summery of specific things that were problems. I know I must have worded that really oddly, but yeah. xD

Also, that tactic sounds really nice, but my team is a Tank, 3 priests and a Mage. A lot of the time I do end up having to be a tank, a primary heal, and sometimes the dps, because our mage is still low level (but we are working on him! he will be great!). Because of this, we have to do ladder in a very uncommon and weird way, which surprises any temporary people we add to our team, because we get to level 60 and we do it in unconventional ways. xD

[Saisaishi]

For ladder priest have give and lovely buffs. I wish more people played priest so it would be easy to get buffs during gameplay. If you gear your priest right they are quite well at damage. There is a combo that priest can do and destroy in Pvp. You slow the person, then freeze them, then light beam the **** out of them. Normally after 2 light beams the person is about dead.

[venomeh]

For ladder priest have give and lovely buffs. I wish more people played priest so it would be easy to get buffs during gameplay. If you gear your priest right they are quite well at damage. There is a combo that priest can do and destroy in Pvp. You slow the person, then freeze them, then light beam the **** out of them. Normally after 2 light beams the person is about dead.

Go use a curse against Ranger/Mage and you're dead by the time you land the curse lol.

[speeds16]

The problem mostly is how many posts were in threads like that and they don't have time to go through all the posts in a 20-page thread. They wanted a summery of specific things that were problems. I know I must have worded that really oddly, but yeah. xD

Fair enough, 20-50 pages thread really is a pain to skim through even when it's put there like a book with a page listed all topics at the start. Still a reply to anything or the effort of reading it at least first few pages would be a start though?:P But you go tell em how it's done xP I haven't met many high-up priests that focus on DPS/tanking like you.

Also, that tactic sounds really nice, but my team is a Tank, 3 priests and a Mage. A lot of the time I do end up having to be a tank, a primary heal, and sometimes the dps, because our mage is still low level (but we are working on him! he will be great!). Because of this, we have to do ladder in a very uncommon and weird way, which surprises any temporary people we add to our team, because we get to level 60 and we do it in unconventional ways. xD

A tank and 3 healers should be rather straight-forward for most levels is it not? We run with nature ranger (without the mag reduction from AM) as the tanker, 2 priests, high-hitting mage and random 5th. I can't tank above 52 and at 59 I just log out my healer and solo it pretty much so afterwards log him in to revive any deaths. How much more unconventional you want it xD.

-The on-topic part-
Priests aren't only buffers and healers, Blood gives a reduction and a 10sec bloodlust-skill (along with the fast atk spd of Blood beam and place curses you end up quite indestructible). Most people stick to Holy and hence the nagging about 'only good for heals/buffs' when you haven't fully experimented with all possible skills.

[Alexmancer]

I agree that a reply now and then would be nice to let us know they are paying attention, but they seem to be lurkers. We should make them come out more! xD I actually really like seeing posts by admins that are in reply to things we say, but with the amount of threads there are and the amount of posts, I can imagine it being hard to go to individual ones. It's much easier for them to just make a thread themselves.

You'd think. xD But We must be doing something weird when people find our style for getting through odd. haha We do log our priests on some of the higher levels, and I tend to tank the rogues and sometimes even the bats on level 54 and 56 while our tank actually does a lot of the kiting. We've been trying to change that, because while I can handle the hits of one rogue or bat, I can't take on all of them at once, plus it's not as fast as if he were there doing it even though my attack is higher than his. I think the main reason for that is I actually do have to heal myself. The other priests try to heal me sometimes, but they have lag issues sometimes.

About the On-topic part of your post.
While a lot of the blood skills do seem rather cool, I've found them to be mostly useless. Losing buffs and Goddess Embrace is the main reason I haven't gone full blood. I just can't get around the channeled stun and the fact that the majority of the blood skills are somewhat underpowerd. The Scion and Eidolon skills are terrible as well, I'd much rather be using Heavenly Protection even as a full blood priest. Though I do like Sacrifice and would love to use that, the amount of useless skills in that line keep me away.

That being said I LOVE the magic damage reduction skill and wish I could get the one that improves magic attack, even with it only being usefull over 70% health.

[air776]

the magic reduce is nice in the blood line and i have found a few uses for totem when i did have it but the useless skills in the line weight it down too much ._.

[LightChase]

There is a combo that priest can do and destroy in Pvp. You slow the person, then freeze them, then light beam the **** out of them. Normally after 2 light beams the person is about dead.

Freezing an oppenent with curses is useless, they do absolutely nothin, the player carries on attacking and you're dead before you can do much else. This is what happens when you put a priest in PvP:
Against Ranger: You don't see them when they start attacking. You see them. Your HP is gonna be about 3/4 now. You curse them. Does nothing. You try to run. They carry on hitting you. You die.
Against Knight: They drag you to them. They stun you. They have hard hit so your HP goes down quickly. You curse them and you try to run. They drag you back and after a few more hits you're dead.
Against Mage: Well, pretty even except they have a harder hit than you so your HP goes down quicker than theirs. And you can't run from oppenents with good range, so you die.
Against Rogue: This is bad. They appear. They stun you. You stand there unable to do anything while they kill you. Even if the stuns wears off before you're dead, all you can do is run or put out a curse. If you run, they're somehow faster than you and they catch you up and you die after a few more hits. Or they stealth again, even if you've put out a curse somehow they can still stealth (unless you immediately put out another curse) and again they catch you up and kill you.
Against Priest: Evenly matched, depends on the amount of pots they have i guess.

Basically you are gonna be pretty disadvantaged against any other type in a PvP. Unless the opponent is far beneath your level, you'e gonna die. If you're trying to make priests stronger so they at least stand a chance, i think you should give them a lot more defense otherwise they're just gonna be weak. And about the Ladder thing, some Rangers do actually outheal Priests in ladder, but that's probably only because i'm a lousy Priest T.T The only thing i can think off that is good and priests specialise are their buffs and curses. But both are pretty useless in PvP as the oppenent can easily get a buff from an oppenent priest and Curses can't do much unless it's against someone without range that you can stop. To be honest, you should give priests more Movement Speed so that they can just run =P

The best thing to do in a PvP situation (so like if you were in Dragonspine or Seng) is to get a good partner and you'd be taking out oppenents easy. Priests aren't very good on their own unless they're soloing dungeons (another priest speciality i guess). I think the bestpatner for a priest would be a rogue friend as you can be the bait and then you can lure an oppenent onto a bridge and your rogue appear and stuns and you two work together to finish him off (doesn't always work).