Eidolon Avernal

[CloudySage]

Eidolons worked hard to get to that point, so I guess it is just normal that they rule it all. If something is not right, it is the fact that if you put all 5 classes with equal soul/gear into avernal, then knight and priest can never win. If the GM accept this suggestion of splitting eidolon from mortal/scion, people will start asking them to split AR for different classes too (I know I will be one of those people)

So, stop complaining when someone who has a more developed toon than yours beat you at something, because it is totally expected.

Priest can never win? o.O well priest took 3rd place in this AVR,and 1st and 2nd were rogue eidolons

[nubheals]

Priest can never win? o.O well priest took 3rd place in this AVR,and 1st and 2nd were rogue eidolons

Never win given equal soul/gear

[sebastian1988]

Never win given equal soul/gear

This game isn't meant to be all balanced and equal. That would just destroy the whole point in hard work (real life work = cashing, ingame work).

[RexTec]

-1 It basically unbalance the whole server plus eidolon in AR is a notice for you!... YOU MUST WORK HARDER

[kylina]

Lies, rogues can tank in avernal. I usually end up doing it daily. Not that I LIKE tanking the hellfire bane... but it can be done. Without orb no less. Or blessed stones.

[Greendaryl]

Well, I read all your suggestion,feedbacks and comments. All I can say is, R2 did not make this game much organize like other MMORPG games. You have the point on saying that we/you must work harder to reach eidolon or scion. Everyone is working harder to be a high level player. What is the use of playing if you do not achieve a high level character. The main point on posting this thread I think is the word "fairness". We do not care if you are a scion or an eidolon, what we care is on how thing goes. Well, what I can say is Avernal did not go well. Another thing, some of us wants to compete in a fairly manner. Well, if you go to Avernal, did you think it is a fairly manner? Like I said, you might probably say that work hard to be an eidolon but it is not all about working hard here.

Another thing I want to explain is some players come late on playing this game, so even if you play 24 hours a day, still you cannot beat those people who are already level 100 eidolon or scion. In addition, those eidolons and scions already have upgraded there soul beyond 500 I think. If you are a level 50 mortal who just started the game, you need to buy soul shards pack to catch up with a soul beyond 500. Basically, working harder to be a high level is not the point here. Did you get the point? Im sorry Im not that good in English.


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[R250141]

Yeah GMM It's not fair to those who were Scion and mortal....


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[thepkmaster]

i see my name in ya pic cloud

[nubheals]

Well, I read all your suggestion,feedbacks and comments. All I can say is, R2 did not make this game much organize like other MMORPG games. You have the point on saying that we/you must work harder to reach eidolon or scion. Everyone is working harder to be a high level player. What is the use of playing if you do not achieve a high level character. The main point on posting this thread I think is the word "fairness". We do not care if you are a scion or an eidolon, what we care is on how thing goes. Well, what I can say is Avernal did not go well. Another thing, some of us wants to compete in a fairly manner. Well, if you go to Avernal, did you think it is a fairly manner? Like I said, you might probably say that work hard to be an eidolon but it is not all about working hard here.

Another thing I want to explain is some players come late on playing this game, so even if you play 24 hours a day, still you cannot beat those people who are already level 100 eidolon or scion. In addition, those eidolons and scions already have upgraded there soul beyond 500 I think. If you are a level 50 mortal who just started the game, you need to buy soul shards pack to catch up with a soul beyond 500. Basically, working harder to be a high level is not the point here. Did you get the point? Im sorry Im not that good in English.

Yeah, browser games have never been fair, the people who came earlier will always have certain advantages over those who came later.

So, as I mentioned in my post on the previous page...

From your post, your point is still as follow:
People who have better soul/gear/stats than you can beat you easily in Avernal => unfair

For me, it is even worse, because:
People (insert DPS classes here) who have equal or worse soul/gear/stats than me (priest) can still beat me easily in Avernal => now is that fair? I think not, right?

At least the GM did make 2 lvl brackets for Avernal, so stop complaining about Eidolon because most of them will get pass 80 in 1-2 weeks anyway. If your suggestion is ever implemented, then I promise that I will be leading yet another thread suggesting how we should separate different classes into different arenas too, just for "fairness"'s sake. And who knows, we might be having 15 avernal arenas running at once (5 classes and 3 planes). Then may be, any lvl 100 eidolon (in the future) can always make a lvl 100 mortal, boost up the soul/gear (using extra HWings from dungeon runs and bringing that alt to ladder with them) then use that alt for the mortal arenas and farm the gift packs there. Is that a good future in your opinion? For me it is not.

Trust me, I have seen how fast a scion's alt could rise in power if the player really wants to. There have been such cases in my server when a few scions weren't happy with their classes and remade new toons to play around with. Those new toons easily own any mortal around their lvl: instant Superior Frag at lvl 40, can go to lvl 50 ladder everyday for more soul shards than most mortals, fast wing upgrades because a lvl 90+ scion could easily farm a stack of wings everyday just by himself, and can lvl up a lot faster than other main mortals too

[Greendaryl]

Yeah, browser games have never been fair, the people who came earlier will always have certain advantages over those who came later.

So, as I mentioned in my post on the previous page...

From your post, your point is still as follow:
People who have better soul/gear/stats than you can beat you easily in Avernal => unfair

For me, it is even worse, because:
People (insert DPS classes here) who have equal or worse soul/gear/stats than me (priest) can still beat me easily in Avernal => now is that fair? I think not, right?

At least the GM did make 2 lvl brackets for Avernal, so stop complaining about Eidolon because most of them will get pass 80 in 1-2 weeks anyway. If your suggestion is ever implemented, then I promise that I will be leading yet another thread suggesting how we should separate different classes into different arenas too, just for "fairness"'s sake. And who knows, we might be having 15 avernal arenas running at once (5 classes and 3 planes). Then may be, any lvl 100 eidolon (in the future) can always make a lvl 100 mortal, boost up the soul/gear (using extra HWings from dungeon runs and bringing that alt to ladder with them) then use that alt for the mortal arenas and farm the gift packs there. Is that a good future in your opinion? For me it is not.

Trust me, I have seen how fast a scion's alt could rise in power if the player really wants to. There have been such cases in my server when a few scions weren't happy with their classes and remade new toons to play around with. Those new toons easily own any mortal around their lvl: instant Superior Frag at lvl 40, can go to lvl 50 ladder everyday for more soul shards than most mortals, fast wing upgrades because a lvl 90+ scion could easily farm a stack of wings everyday just by himself, and can lvl up a lot faster than other main mortals too

Well, out of 100 people, only a few will do that.Lets say 10 out of 100. And if that happens,that would be a valid thing to do since you are putting effort in upgrading your alt. What's wrong in upgrading your alt and putting power on it? Basically, if I'm the player, I would never create 5 alts and use all my effort on making them strong. If someone will do that, a few will do like I said and its valid. Even if you put a survey on the thread, a few people will make an alt and upgrade the alts using soul shards and wings. One more thing, in the future there will be lots of events for Ethereal wings and soul shards, it maybe possible to make a permanent event for Ethereal-Heroic wings exchange so why do I need to create an alt just to use it on Avernal. Thats a waste of time and effort.

Separating different classes into different arenas is a different thing already. Basically, you need to understand that each class has its advantage and disadvantages. I hate to say but Mages and rouges is so strong in Avernal Realm. Well, those are there advantages.

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[nubheals]

Nothing is wrong with upgrading your alt, putting power on it and use it to farm Avernal? Then why is it wrong when people upgrade their main, put power on it and own avernal like what is happening now? Also, once people want to make an alt just for avernal, that alt will stay forever as a mortal, and has the soul progresses as days pass, makes it even harder for any main mortal to over come. While if you leave everything as it is now, most OP eidolons should get out of the lvl range in a week or two.

[Greendaryl]

Yeah there is nothing wrong with that,it is like you are putting effort on your main character. No, there is nothing wrong with upgrading your main and owning avernal. The point is give chance to those low level player to feel dominance. Give encouragement to them to do more. What would a low level think if he/she is facing those strong eidolons everyday? Lets make it real for example, what would you feel if you are a grade school and you are put on a college level school? Can you catch up with the lessons? Its like saying can you catch up with those Eidolons? Anyway, it is up foR2, this is only my suggestions and comments. Its R2's decision.

Anyway,I am level 91 scion and I'm near to be an Eidolon. I just want to help those low level players.
One more thing, all I want is Ultimate Demon Lord Wings. I just want to look pinkish.


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[nubheals]

Yes but if you separate avernal just to have it easily ruled by those eidolons' alts, wouldn't it feel even more discouraging for the low lvls? Being beaten by a stronger main toon is 1 thing, but being beaten by an alt? >.> And I already mentioned, while most OP eidolons will move out of lvl range soon enough, an alt made for avernal farming will never leave, and will only get stronger more quickly than normal mortals, which makes things worse in the long run.

[Greendaryl]

Well,if an Eidolon alts ruled the separate avernal, there is nothing wrong with that,its valid and fair because we based it on level and plane. Anyone has freedom to make 1000 alts if he/she wants. The thing is few people will do that. I will use 2000 soul shards just to upgrade my alt to become strong? I better use it for myself.

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[nubheals]

Soul shards are bound, so there is no compromising your main's soul if you want to upgrade alt's soul, and farming soul shards on alt isn't that hard, just do daily exchange + bring your alts to ladder with your main. And don't you think that on some servers, having that many separated avernals might make it to have only like 5 players in each avernal? There would then be no competition in that, avernal would become a place for people to farm freebies without spending much effort (especially even easier for those alts I mentioned above)