Winning TT

[Painindaback]

I understand the logic of dodging an opponent you have no chance vs, but your statement of "all you need is 2 players that can beat 4 of your opponent" as easy is laughable. How about you post some of the teams in your bracket so I can imagine just how "easy" my bracket was compared to yours.

I don't think you read anything I wrote. I said that it's all you need against teams with 1 humongous player and 4 weaklings (1-1.6 mln br as shown on screenshots). In my bracket there were teams with 2 players above 2 mln br, obviously that won't work against them. So there's no need to show the teams from my bracket as it's irrelevant to what I said.

[blahblah11]

I also enjoy how ignorant you are by assuming "4 weaklings (1-1.6mil)" based on what? YOUR experience in YOUR server? I'm sorry that 1.6mil is consider "weak" in your server that has months ahead of play time, but that's why we're NOT in YOUR bracket, as how would it be fair for low 1mil vs mid 2mil? As for your assumption again on how you're able to beat 1.8mil, I guarantee you I can beat you at 1.3mil, so your logic on what is considered weak is invalid.

[R213755235]

^ that strategy doesn't work if the highest BR guy is placed last, or whoever is the toughest to beat. Gonna use burning as an example.

Team 1: Burning + 4 other random players

Team 2: High BR (Player A) + 4 medium BR characters

Situation 1: Burning goes 1st and kills 3 of Team 2's member. Team 1 = 3 points. Team 2 = 4 points is highest possible. Now Team 2 beats the next 3 people from Team 1. Team 1 = 3 Points. Team 2 = 3 points. Player A now comes in and goes for the last kill. Team 1 = 3 points. Team 2 = 4 points. And Team 2 wins.

Situation 2: Team 1 now uses Team 2's strategy and Burning wins the last match. Team 1 wins.

Now the next couple of situations are from my own experiments with team tournament:

Situation 3: Team 1 now puts Burning into the 4th slot. Team 2 has a player that manages to kill all of the members before burning. Team 2 = 3. Team 1 = 0. Burning steps in and kills the next 3, leaving Player A. Team 1 = 3 points. Team 2 = 3 points. Both teams have 1 player that are "resting". Now comes the last battle. 2 outcomes: 1) Team 1 kills player A, 2) Player A kills team 2. Whoever is last standing wins. This is where the timeout situation is crappy because whatever team is on the left is labeled as the "Challenger" and the right team is "Champion (for lack of a better word)". If the left team fails to kill a player because of a timeout, they lose.

Situation 4: Burning is in the 1st slot now and kills the first 3 players from team 2. Team 1 = 3 points, Team 2 = 0 points. Team 2 now kills the 2nd player but lost to the 3rd player from Team 1. Team 1 = 4 points, Team 2 = 1 point. Player A comes in and kills the rest of Team 1. Team 1 = 4 points, Team 2 = 4 points. This is where I seriously hate the stupid "Challenger" / "Champion" system. If Team 2 is on the left, they lose. If Team 2 is on the right, they win. ** right? Yep, that's LOA's flawed system for you.

[blahblah11]

I previously thought it was right side always wins as well, but its been proven/stated that the team whoever does the most damage at the end wins. IE if the left side have a tanky main + strong hecate and moderate heroes, while the right side have a very tanky main + decent hecate and crappy heroes, if the battle times out, most likely the right side will do more damage, because left side have a strong hecate to keep the moderate heroes alive from angel attacks. So for many teams with strong hecate and decent heroes but cannot kill your opponent, it acts as a double edge sword.

[Painindaback]

I also enjoy how ignorant you are by assuming "4 weaklings (1-1.6mil)" based on what? YOUR experience in YOUR server? I'm sorry that 1.6mil is consider "weak" in your server that has months ahead of play time, but that's why we're NOT in YOUR bracket, as how would it be fair for low 1mil vs mid 2mil? As for your assumption again on how you're able to beat 1.8mil, I guarantee you I can beat you at 1.3mil, so your logic on what is considered weak is invalid.

As I said already, I'm a free player and just 1.3 mln br, so yes maybe you can beat me at 1.3 mln as that's my BR range. And seriously... we are talking about the god damn Team tournament, why did you assume that I'm talking about my server?... It's a good idea to think before typing as you said.

Here's my team, 3 free players, 2 cashers (that aren't that big, LostHope had his main one shotted by a 1.6 mln br player and his main has 1.3 mln hp).

[blahblah11]

Umm...Because you stated that 1-1.6mil as weak?????????? If you learn to read, and observe and do simple math, you'd realize that from the SS, those teams made it that far for a reason (they are the strongest in the bracket), and the average of each of those teams are 1.3-1.5mil??????? So you're saying that EVERYONE on our bracket is weak, with the exception of the 2-3 that are 1.9-2mil?

[Ahkiriu]

Well first of all let disregard br for a moment cause LoA at this current stage is mostly centered around tactics and dodge over br, although unless you're a heavy casher then haaaaa nope. Also R213755235 just explain everything that typically happen in TT and for Painindadark does have a point, having 2 super strong player with 3 weakling will beat a lot of teams since most team are just 1 super and 4 weak, it a simple base tactics. But now guys we all gotta remember that all time servers is different..i mean majo over the CDT servers....he be murdering people and people from CDT would also consider 1m-1.6m br people weak (unless they're super dodger with badass team) but like PST, my server, 1m-1.6m is consider in the strong field since well no one (actively atleast) has reach 2m br

Edit: also with your infinate rage build and 14k dodge :P i can see why you can beat the people at 1.8m~, since mostly people dont be getting alot of dodge and rage skill hurts

[Painindaback]

Umm...Because you stated that 1-1.6mil as weak?????????? If you learn to read, and observe and do simple math, you'd realize that from the SS, those teams made it that far for a reason (they are the strongest in the bracket), and the average of each of those teams are 1.3-1.5mil??????? So you're saying that EVERYONE on our bracket is weak, with the exception of the 2-3 that are 1.9-2mil?

I don't think you understand...
Let's say we have burning on one side... then we put me on the other. Burning=strong, me=weak. Get it now? Can't explain it in a more simple way...So yes 1-1.6 mln is weak

[blahblah11]

You're comparing burning to you, yes he would be considered strong, and you as weak. Now what are you comparing the 1-1.6mil br in my bracket to, to consider them as weak? If you compare them to the average BR in the bracket, the average would be 1.2mil give or take, so anyone above 1.2mil would be considered "above average". Do YOU get it?

[Painindaback]

You're comparing burning to you, yes he would be considered strong, and you as weak. Now what are you comparing the 1-1.6mil br in my bracket to, to consider them as weak? If you compare them to the average BR in the bracket, the average would be 1.2mil give or take, so anyone above 1.2mil would be considered "above average". Do YOU get it?

Please... read your first post where you tell me to think before typing... I was talking about the screenshots (and on the bracket in those screenshots, the average is probably 1.6-7 mln as it does have a lot of 1,9/2 mln+.. in the bracket, not the screenshots). I'm getting a headache now, can't believe I have to explain such obvious things.

[blahblah11]

LOL, average 1.6mil, "a lot of 1.9/2 mil".

[Painindaback]

Edit: also with your infinate rage build and 14k dodge :P i can see why you can beat the people at 1.8m~, since mostly people dont be getting alot of dodge and rage skill hurts

Almost everyone above 1.6 mln br actually has over 15k dodge and I'm sitting shy of 11.5k hit which is far less than my opponents
I'll just stop arguing with this guy.. it seems he can't read. I clearly said that the average in the bracket... NOT the screenshots. And no matter what he says, 1.6 mln will always be weak compared to what players can actually get at this point of the game.
big>average>small, btw

I edited the post for you, blahblah11, think that's big enough

[blahblah11]

I did the math for you, the average BR for the 30 players in the SS comes out to be 1424846.4. So yeah 1-1.6mil is weak right?

Edit* What do you mean by "average in the bracket....NOT the screenshots"??? The screenshot IS from the bracket, ***? It doesn't matter what player can actually get at this points, if you consider something weak and strong, you must compare them to something yes? Your logic is comparable to burning being weak compared to a 7mil BR guy in a chinese server. Moron.

So you're comparing YOUR bracket brs vs OUR bracket, and thus because your bracket average 1.7mil+, therefore 1-1.6mil is considered weak in OUR bracket?

[Painindaback]

I did the math for you, the average BR for the 30 players in the SS comes out to be 1424846.4. So yeah 1-1.6mil is weak right?

Edit* What do you mean by "average in the bracket....NOT the screenshots"??? The screenshot IS from the bracket, ***? It doesn't matter what player can actually get at this points, if you consider something weak and strong, you must compare them to something yes? Your logic is comparable to burning being weak compared to a 7mil BR guy in a chinese server. Moron.

Seriously... Knockout match-->1st 1/2, 2nd 1/2. 16 teams each, too lazy to check how many screenshots there were, but far from 32. And as I said in the previous post, I'm comparing it to what can be achieved at this point of the game (which is about 3 mln br). Obviously, later we'll get more, but not now. Did you read when I wrote that? Did you think it over? Did you think before writing any of your posts?

To Ahiriu, sorry for deraling the topic so much.

[blahblah11]

Why in the world would you compare it to what can be achieved since the beginning of the game launch when these server were launched 2-4 months AFTER the very first? When you can compare to that specific servers, or that specific brackets?.....In your logic, we should have ONE bracket for TT, ONE bracket for CS Tourney, ONE bracket for tycoon, who cares what time zone they're from, who cares that a server open 7 months after the first one open right?