Strategies to defeat Claw?

[wrongnoterod]

I'm seeing a LOT of people on my server, going to the Claw only method... they pour almost everything into the Claw and boost it way up, and usually inherit every other character to the Claw. I'm seeing people only use two characters now, the main toon and the claw, and thats it.

One person told me to stock up on End gems. I did, I dont know if that helped or not. Maybe. Are there any other strategies that can help withstand this Claw thing?

[ohkitsune]

spam AOE skills to destroy the Astral child + nereida , once the rage circuit is cut become more or less a normal fight

[wrongnoterod]

ok thats good.. i'm also seeing these people with big +rage totems, so killing Nereida may not stop the rage. But thats good. Any other ideas?

[foryouu]

well anything that can cut off the back line . arcane spirit/thunder lord , valkyrie , earthshaker or a better claw than they have . IRB with claw has become really popular between non-cashers and it will get even stronger in a few days with the godless wolf

[uxu4n]

Get a valkery. And boost her speed up. If she cast skills first turn the claw is then forced to attack her only, giving u time to tear their party apart. This only works if claw is back row. So a Dark valkery is much better since no matter where claw is, he is doomed.

Before ppl started doing claw/arcane focus builds valkery is quite useless. Now that resources are much cheaper and ppl can afford to waste a bit of hold/gem to recruit her and boost her speed. She is good at countering f2ps-light cashers. Ofc, dark valk is mich more useful in this regard.

[wrongnoterod]

When you say "boost her speed up", are you meaning her agility?

[uxu4n]

Yes. So she casts her skill faster than claw does. So claw cannot do anything except focusin on her and leave ur party alone.

It is quite affordable to do that now. No need to bump her too much. Just a revive armor and some agi gems with a pair of god boots. She will do u good. Upgrading her is a waste as her skill damage ratio isnt amazing. Decent but not amazing.

This does not work against ES btw. Just fyi.

[wrongnoterod]

um, pardon my confusion, but what is ES?

[Painindaback]

All those suggestions are just theoretical, what would happen if the enemy builds up their Astral Child/Nereida? What if Claw casts skill on first turn? What if Valkyrie isn't able to cast a skill?
There are many weaknesses for IRB. However out of those mentioned, neither is devastating, just crippling.
Just like dodge builds(charm totem), there's one thing that weakens this build too much to make it effective. Good luck in your searching endeavours.

[blahblah11]

He's asking for advice on how to beat it, not asking someone who worship claw as a god and know no other strategies to tell him that there are loopholes in everything. Training up ner/ac you say? Ner maybe, still get one shot by a mediocre dps, AC...good luck training a garnet hero, or do you not know of the limitations on training level for heroes under ruby? What if bc goes first, what if valk can't cast? ***, the one who suggested this specifically stated, get MORE agi/speed so it CAN cast first..... BC requires 100 rage, evolve requires 75, so if you take away heroes that charge his rage, how often can he cast his skills? Charm totem is a nice asset vs dodge, but by how much? Will your ner+ac have enough hit even with the -dodge debuff, granted they're not dead in 2-3 turns?

[Painindaback]

He's asking for advice on how to beat it, not asking someone who worship claw as a god and know no other strategies to tell him that there are loopholes in everything. Training up ner/ac you say? Ner maybe, still get one shot by a mediocre dps, AC...good luck training a garnet hero, or do you not know of the limitations on training level for heroes under ruby? What if bc goes first, what if valk can't cast? ***, the one who suggested this specifically stated, get MORE agi/speed so it CAN cast first..... BC requires 100 rage, evolve requires 75, so if you take away heroes that charge his rage, how often can he cast his skills? Charm totem is a nice asset vs dodge, but by how much? Will your ner+ac have enough hit even with the -dodge debuff, granted they're not dead in 2-3 turns?

Well seems like someone's butthurt, relax.
The thing is everyone asks for something and noone bothers using their head. It's not good for the people to help them all the time or they'll just get too dependent on others.
As far as your remarks... My Astral and Nereida can both get above 500k hp, mediacore dps can't kill them in one hit especially when they have relatively high END as well. Both can get a revival armor as well, so you'll need 2 back row hitters to neutralize the rage loop before it activates. I said "What if Claw casts skill on first turn", not if it goes first. If valkyrie is faster than claw, do you know what would happen? Jack. The only way for valkyrie to cast her skill before Claw, would be if Claw is faster so that it would hit valkyrie without a skill (which rarely happens due to Dragon Totems, sacrificial warriors, inspiring banner and now Godless Wolf). And unless you concentrate on Valkyrie, which is a **** hero aside from taunt, she'll die before she's able to cast skill on second turn. Or if you put her in back row, she'll just share her fate with the rest. And you can just hope that she doesn't have her rage drained or stunned by Claw. Or you could use Dragon totem as well, but even so it would still not be enough to stop the build, as she'll be quickly dealt with on the first turn even with a revival armor. I mentioned charm totem as a counter to dodge builds, as a comparison to how much the weakness I mean is devastating to the build (topaz charm totem can for example reduce 20k dodge to 14k, that's how big it is).
You know... it's a good idea to understand what you're reading and not just glimpse through the rows.

[ohkitsune]

All those suggestions are just theoretical, what would happen if the enemy builds up their Astral Child/Nereida? What if Claw casts skill on first turn? What if Valkyrie isn't able to cast a skill?
There are many weaknesses for IRB. However out of those mentioned, neither is devastating, just crippling.
Just like dodge builds(charm totem), there's one thing that weakens this build too much to make it effective. Good luck in your searching endeavours.

only thing that i can think being worst than back dps is back dps +stuns from Thunder lord + Tyr ring + attack debuff

He's asking for advice on how to beat it, not asking someone who worship claw as a god and know no other strategies to tell him that there are loopholes in everything. Training up ner/ac you say? Ner maybe, still get one shot by a mediocre dps, AC...good luck training a garnet hero, or do you not know of the limitations on training level for heroes under ruby? What if bc goes first, what if valk can't cast? ***, the one who suggested this specifically stated, get MORE agi/speed so it CAN cast first..... BC requires 100 rage, evolve requires 75, so if you take away heroes that charge his rage, how often can he cast his skills? Charm totem is a nice asset vs dodge, but by how much? Will your ner+ac have enough hit even with the -dodge debuff, granted they're not dead in 2-3 turns?

soulstones+ blesstones base stats buff is low as **** , with the amount of free lvl10-11 cherubs they been giving and mixed with lvl75-80 angel u can get a hell of boost regardless if it is Purple or red heroe , second there is Gems + gem enhacing

[uxu4n]

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You have kick *** claw...i really doubt the OP is facing you.

And my suggestion is based on equal footing to begin with. If he cannot even compete in terms of resources put in to raise power, then he won't be able to compete either way. There only so much strategy can do when both sides are both wise on resources expenditures and more or less the same.

You cannot compare his stuff with yours, just like you cannot compare yours with mine. I have over 80k agility on my LE and my main hits everyone normally over 500k without crit...my crit on main is 10k btw + I have an ES that crits over 1.3 million with 15k crit just to mop up the floor. But all that is meaningless in terms of strategy, even if i do beat you it does not mean my strategy is better, it is just i have a lot more resources than you. This is what happens when you compare two players with very different resources.

Against an equal player, a high speed dark valk that casts the first turn is going to hold up enemy attacks 1-2 turns at least. 1-2 turns is a really long time...usually it's time to say byebye to whatever else that player has..."equal player"...stress that part.

I did mention dark valk is much better and valk is only for back row claw.

And I did stress the high speed part...ofc he either needs even higher speed LE, AH/DH or topaz dragon totem. I thought that is a given, valk needs 100 rage to cast. And who is still normal attacking first turn nowadays? That kinda player is meat for us to chop and holds no value for discussion.

[blahblah11]

only thing that i can think being worst than back dps is back dps +stuns from Thunder lord + Tyr ring + attack debuff



soulstones+ blesstones base stats buff is low as **** , with the amount of free lvl10-11 cherubs they been giving and mixed with lvl75-80 angel u can get a hell of boost regardless if it is Purple or red heroe , second there is Gems + gem enhacing

Yeah if you have that much resources to be putting a level 80 angel with level 11 cherub stone on a 4th, or even 3rd hero, and enough extra gem enhancement and gems for a 4th hero to not die in 1 hit, wouldn't you think such a player would not have trouble against a claw build..?

And to pain..500khp~ really? If your BC can hit for almost 1mil to a 200k pdef player, you think a mediocre dps can't one shot a 500k hp ner/ac...?

[Painindaback]

Ye you'd probably beat me, I'm simply not gearing up to beat heavy cashers as of right now as it would hinder me on other points. Just time is needed for weaker people to catch up to the rest. I still haven't even beaten libra (22k dodge with buffs and still getting hit almost everytime), so got a long way to go. In a month or two, dodge builds would probably be completely useless once people realize how devastating charm totem is to them.
Claw and Valkyrie built with same amount of resources... valkyrie would still die in 1 hit even after the damage reduction. If valkyrie has a revival armor, astral/nereida would finish her off. So it's still 1 turn to deal with her and since Valkyrie doesn't hit hard enough, it's doubtful that she'll kill either one (unless no resources were spent on them like I guess a lot of IRB players do), so the rage loop continues. But even so, you've got to ask yourself the question, is it worth it investing in a hero just to deal with those weak players? After a while they'll build their heroes up and you'll be stuck with a Valkyrie that doesn't do damage, and she's bad for PvE content at the later stages as well. Even Dark Valkyrie is pretty bad later on. There are ways to deal with the build without sacrificing your future strength.
As far as "normal attacking first turn nowadays", you'd be surprised. It's full of people who think that having full Godly set makes them stronger. Even when used on heroes with reduced rage cap, it still hinders them too much due to the 12% less damage.

And blahblah11, mediocre heroes don't hit for 500k without a crit and it's doubtful they'd get a crit once I fix my gems for that (currently need different gems for something else).