CSTT + PST Server Split

[kaitsuna]

Posted this originally on the gtarcade forums but since this is more of a qq post and really only affects ~s200+ r2games servers and a few other publishers, may as well bring it here.

So it looks like for CSTT, PST was split into two groups by server number (1 to 250 in one group, >250 in the other). Which makes for some pretty ... interesting match-ups since non-gtarcade publishers have fewer servers and so the "older" server group contains a number of relatively new servers - e.g. s225 - shadow downs is in this group as well, and they started, what, two weeks ago? I'm hoping they go back to whatever division they had last time, because it makes no sense for my server to be pushed into an older server group when older gtarcade servers can stay in the younger server group. :/

admittedly there's more scary people in the younger server group imo; i'm just salty because my friends are complaining about their match-ups and i'm like, your hardest team is basically the easiest team we get to face

[Painindaback]

In my group we have a team with under 2 mln br, all I can say is .. have fun lol

[blahblah11]

Agreed with OP. TT was the closest thing to a balanced competition this game has to offer. This change to the division is simply stupid. How can you justify grouping by simple server #, r2 have what 200ish, gta have over 400, som eothe rplatform like kabam have 54...my server is close to 200, and now its been bumped down to the older bracket, with all the old servers, which about half of the knockout team will consist of 11-14mil BR, some team even have 2 players over 3mil BR, how is that competition?

[kaitsuna]

Eh, I wouldn't call CSTT that balanced, since a lot of the matches seem to depend on who adjusted their team order last, haha. Since most teams have one very strong player with a couple of medium-strength players, so it all depends on who that strong player takes out of the match.

My team's holding its own surprisingly well for a five-to-ten-level disparity between most of our players and quite a lot of br for the most part (read: I'm getting carried really, really hard). It's just a lot tougher for us since our medium-strength players will tend to be weaker than the competition by sheer virtue of lack of levels and playtime. I just want the server groupings to be more even, haha. ;c Level 68-70's shouldn't be facing level 80+'s when level 75's can face new servers. And I'm not even getting into how sorry I feel for the s225 teams.

tl;dr - i whine about life not being fair

[Painindaback]

Eh, I wouldn't call CSTT that balanced, since a lot of the matches seem to depend on who adjusted their team order last, haha.

Actually that's wrong. Your opponents can't see your team's order until the fight starts (which is too late for them to change theirs), all they see is your starting order (the order in which your teammates joined your team). So both teams could make adjustments and then it all comes down to strength. That's why it's better to have 5 equally strong players, rather than 1 monster and 4 weaklings.

[hunuot]

Actually that's wrong. Your opponents can't see your team's order until the fight starts (which is too late for them to change theirs), all they see is your starting order (the order in which your teammates joined your team). So both teams could make adjustments and then it all comes down to strength. That's why it's better to have 5 equally strong players, rather than 1 monster and 4 weaklings.

It is 100% possible to see your opponent's current lineup, as of the moment you check. Even the first fight of a match.


As for the overall topic, I will agree that whatever the algorithm they used to determine the brackets for this latest Team Tournament, the results just seem off. It's bad enough for the R2games servers (my server S178 is now in the same bracket as R2-Server1 and like the first 50 GTA servers, all waay older than our server), but it really sucks for the handful of other versions of the game like Kablam and Kongregate: I am seeing Kablam servers in our bracket where the highest player is like 65, there is zero reason those servers should be in the same bracket as the R2-S1 and GTA-S1.

plus I miss being in a bracket where my team could reliably beat every other team

[Painindaback]

It is 100% possible to see your opponent's current lineup, as of the moment you check. Even the first fight of a match.

Ugh... you do realize that not every opponent stays with the same lineup? O.o

[hunuot]

Ugh... you do realize that not every opponent stays with the same lineup? O.o

It's fine if you don't believe me, no skin off my nose. But I can assure you that even if the team changes their lineup, you can see the change before the next fight (or even first fight).

[Painindaback]

It's fine if you don't believe me, no skin off my nose. But I can assure you that even if the team changes their lineup, you can see the change before the next fight (or even first fight).

Ah I see, guess I'll just report that as that's not how it should work. Though it probably won't get fixed, as even more important bugs are still present >.>

[kaitsuna]

I've actually heard it's bugged so that some people can see the opponent's lineup before the match but others can only see the starting line-up, but maybe those people are just looking in the wrong place, haha. I haven't been paying attention to lineups much because I'm not around much during matches but maybe I'll check it out tomorrow if I have time. c:

Wish we could have a team with five equally strong people but that doesn't seem very common - mostly there's one or two heavy cashers in a server, and that's what the younger server group teams usually look like. Seems like the teams I'm facing have evened out a bit, but I'm not sure if that's because a lot of them are old merged servers or if they've just gotten to the point where there's diminishing returns on getting further and others catch up, or if my server just failed hard at getting an even power distribution. Admittedly our teams did split along guild lines instead of by pure strength so it's mostly our own fault we won't be getting out of group stages.
also if we made a team with our five strongest people i wouldn't be on that team hahaha...

Interesting to know the server groupings are also wacky on EST.

[Painindaback]

I've actually heard it's bugged so that some people can see the opponent's lineup before the match but others can only see the starting line-up, but maybe those people are just looking in the wrong place, haha. I haven't been paying attention to lineups much because I'm not around much during matches but maybe I'll check it out tomorrow if I have time. c:

Wish we could have a team with five equally strong people but that doesn't seem very common - mostly there's one or two heavy cashers in a server, and that's what the younger server group teams usually look like. Seems like the teams I'm facing have evened out a bit, but I'm not sure if that's because a lot of them are old merged servers or if they've just gotten to the point where there's diminishing returns on getting further and others catch up, or if my server just failed hard at getting an even power distribution. Admittedly our teams did split along guild lines instead of by pure strength so it's mostly our own fault we won't be getting out of group stages.
also if we made a team with our five strongest people i wouldn't be on that team hahaha...

Interesting to know the server groupings are also wacky on EST.

Well, my team has 2 cashers and only 1 is actually strong. It's not hard to make a team with free players in it. Our server's second team is probably gonna make it to the knock-out as well, it seems, so just shows how spread our forces are lol. Or maybe I'm just lucky to be on a server with more competition, who knows.

[kaitsuna]

Well, my team has 2 cashers and only 1 is actually strong. It's not hard to make a team with free players in it. Our server's second team is probably gonna make it to the knock-out as well, it seems, so just shows how spread our forces are lol. Or maybe I'm just lucky to be on a server with more competition, who knows.

I guess the point I was vaguely trying to make but sort of meandered through (sorry - sleep-deprived) was that I think it's easier to make a well-rounded team with free / low cash players on older servers, since br may not mean much but you need to get to a certain point before strategy can carry you the rest of the way. I know if I had enough time to actually put together my build (I have a rage loop going but since I don't have a dragon totem or a 50-50 dragonsoul skill warrior my support heroes usually die before my loop actually starts...) I might've done a bit better personally, but eh, there's always next time and I + my team didn't play as smart as we could've, so I can't blame it all on having scary people in my bracket. c: I'm just a bit salty over all of this but that's all right, sodium is a vital part of our daily nutrients anyways.

Out of curiosity, what timezone / server are you on? Would love to stalk - I mean, check out - your server's teams and see what your members are doing, haha.

[Painindaback]

I guess the point I was vaguely trying to make but sort of meandered through (sorry - sleep-deprived) was that I think it's easier to make a well-rounded team with free / low cash players on older servers, since br may not mean much but you need to get to a certain point before strategy can carry you the rest of the way. I know if I had enough time to actually put together my build (I have a rage loop going but since I don't have a dragon totem or a 50-50 dragonsoul skill warrior my support heroes usually die before my loop actually starts...) I might've done a bit better personally, but eh, there's always next time and I + my team didn't play as smart as we could've, so I can't blame it all on having scary people in my bracket. c: I'm just a bit salty over all of this but that's all right, sodium is a vital part of our daily nutrients anyways.

Out of curiosity, what timezone / server are you on? Would love to stalk - I mean, check out - your server's teams and see what your members are doing, haha.

EST/server 27, 8-0 atm on my team, 7-1 on the other (though, they have 2 stronger opponents on the way). It sure helps to be on an older server, but in time you'll be able to compete with players from the first servers despite the difference in resources. In this game time's the most notable thing.. especially with fixing bugs.