dragon empress or hecate?

[yuukajay]

hi, i don't really recharge in this game so i need to choose wisely for the hero (HOC) currently I'm using godless, king,panda and also celest.i always wanted to change my celest with hecate(finally) but now this dragon empress sounds good too. who should i get? thanks in advance

[cublet]

if you are doing a non rage build and you need a healer,. Hecate is the best

[ronnyouxia]

DE is like ES with 75 rages.
From ur party composition, seems u dont play IRB.
so as cublet said.. go for non rage hero then, in this case hecate.

[yuukajay]

thank you all for the feedbacks. really appreciate it. honestly... i have no idea about all this rage thingy(IRB) lol (you can call me stupid) you guys made me think again! thanks

[Bigcgamer]

IRB doesnt really work in PvP.. Hecate is the better choice

[Heath2412]

IRB doesnt really work in PvP.. Hecate is the better choice

I'm not sure but my current IRB can easily beat non-IRB with (Blazing) Hecate players who has 2-300k or even more BR than me. I know that BR is not a accuracy measure of player strength, but I just want to say that it really works in PvP.

Let's put that aside. He said he doesn't recharge. So what does a f2p player get by focusing on PvP?
- Higher arena place for more exp, prestige and arena badge. Even for free players, these will soon become useless.
- More gold from wyrm raiding.
- More choice in raider.
- Higher CoM rank for more voucher and some resource (if getting hecate can help him climb up the prize bracket).
- Better domination (still luck-based), so more war soul (same as 1) and gem (this is good).
- (Maybe) better CS Arena and CS Team Tourney (I don't think it'd make any improvement just by having hecate).
- (Maybe) better CS war for more chest and honor.

And what's benefit of focusing on PvE:
- Better in totem, raise totem lvl faster.
- Better in Dark Abyss, result in more rune for more resources and useful stuffs (magic rod, gem essence...). And if you can ranked in top 20 DA, you'll have Slayer's Mark, which is very essential for free players IMHO.
- Better in Zodiac, more blessing choice.
- Better in Spire/Elite Spire, more rune stone, enchanted ore -> better preparation on tycoon (nvm this if you beat demon huntress already).
- Ton of golds and guild honors from Gauntlet (best benefit from IRB). Guild honors give you gem, and gold you get from gauntlet is 100 times better than from wyrm raiding. Needless to say tycoon point boost with improvement of gauntlet.

Therefore, I don't see a reason for a free player to "focus on PvP by getting Hecate". Focus on PvE would result in better PvP, thus LE for IRB is way better.

[Playy001]

IRB doesnt really work in PvP.. Hecate is the better choice

lol, what a nice joke^^ it works really good(at least for me)

[osobena]

LOL, Hecate is sooo outdated. Get LE or ES, even Empress is a better choice. But LE for sure is best, even if not making an IRB. Have a question thought - why people prefer to use Celestial over Djinni? Can't see any logic in that.

[ohkitsune]

LOL, Hecate is sooo outdated. Get LE or ES, even Empress is a better choice. But LE for sure is best, even if not making an IRB. Have a question thought - why people prefer to use Celestial over Djinni? Can't see any logic in that.

higher heal + clear debuffs , i used it abit on the times of seraph helm bugg

[osobena]

higher heal + clear debuffs , i used it abit on the times of seraph helm bugg

But only for front row and with BC and now all these new skills my back row dies long before front row.... (And what was actually that bug, I never saw it???)

[Vampy-chan]

LOL, Hecate is sooo outdated. Get LE or ES, even Empress is a better choice. But LE for sure is best, even if not making an IRB. Have a question thought - why people prefer to use Celestial over Djinni? Can't see any logic in that.

Not sure about the bug, but clearing debuff will surely help in cancer nightmare zodiac

[Bigcgamer]

lol, what a nice joke^^ it works really good(at least for me)

80 to 90% of players are not going to develop their game to high enough level to build a true IRB, and their heroes will die SUPER quick PvP.. hence I said Hecate (outdated or not), will keep them in the round slightly longer..

[uxu4n]

But only for front row and with BC and now all these new skills my back row dies long before front row.... (And what was actually that bug, I never saw it???)

Now there is a **** ton of DS exp, ur front row is almost perma stunned. Celestial crush will surely help (celestial maiden or backrow healer main).

And cancer nightmare too. I used celestial maiden for it or i wouldnt have cleared that map at 700K BR Around 4 months ago...we didnt have awakening then to clear debuff myself and i was solo archer+IRB1 at that time.

[uxu4n]

80 to 90% of players are not going to develop their game to high enough level to build a true IRB, and their heroes will die SUPER quick PvP.. hence I said Hecate (outdated or not), will keep them in the round slightly longer..

He is seeking build advice. What we should do is to give the best advice. Instead of assuming he is not gonna be able to make it and give him a lesser one to settle for it. Plus hecate is so bad it is not even a lesser one, it is one of the worst ones (a person who cant do IRB will surely not able to do hecate. A hecate that heals 200k per turn is actually worse than not having it, at least he saves resources).

A useful hecate is the evolved one plus super fast+high CRIT+high END+High MATK. How much resources do u think that costs? IRB costs way less to be functional. Or u would see top tournament filled with her. But the fact is, besides vhunter and a handful of others who can make a hecate work? Everyone else is doing IRB2 or full striker.

[kaitsuna]

Hm, two questions about Celestial Maiden - don't mind me being off-topic for a moment, please!
- Doesn't Celestial Maiden not clear hard CC (stuns, confuse)? I remember reading that somewhere but I've never actually used her so I wouldn't know.
- How would having Celestial Crush as an awakening skill help against nightmare Cancer? I remember trying to clear the debuff with Celestial Maiden, but realized I needed her to have a specific attack order so she would clear the debuff and I would attack before it was reapplied the next turn. Couldn't pull that off. ;c Wouldn't using it as an awakening skill have the same problem, since you'd clear it as a finishing move (after you attacked), but the debuff would be reapplied before you attack again?