Which class is the best?

[Brutal_Hobo]

So your saying that it's easier for an archer to gain Patk, than a knight in your post #9, but then your also saying the thing's that contribute to increasing Patk don't mean anything.
That is what you call a paradox my friend. Both statements can not be true

you are comparing a casher to an everyday player

thats like saying
"i like football but the college team is better than the 8 year olds because they are bigger"


and notice how in my example i use 2 heavy cashers an example?

and look the knight even has more br

[Billy_McF]

when the game was first started
archers for attack
knights for defense
mages for heals

hell get 2 similarily br players
archer and knight
i guarantee the archer will have more patk unless they did something horribly wrong


in fact heres an example from my server
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Well your guarantee has been proved to be total ****. Here is a better example, where BR is within 1k. Guess who has better Patk??

[Billy_McF]

you are comparing a casher to an everyday player

thats like saying
"i like football but the college team is better than the 8 year olds because they are bigger"


and notice how in my example i use 2 heavy cashers an example?

and look the knight even has more br

Where am I comparing a casher to a normal player? maybe I missed something here, but I am sure you could point it out to me

[Brutal_Hobo]

hell heres a mage just to further prove my point, this big boy here is even using level 11 matk gems

[Brutal_Hobo]

Well your guarantee has been proved to be total ****. Here is a better example, where BR is within 1k. Guess who has better Patk??

ok that make no sense

by the way if you look carefully the archer out of all 3 pictures lowest br

highest attack

i'll let that sink in for a bit

[Billy_McF]

hell get 2 similarily br players
archer and knight
i guarantee the archer will have more patk unless they did something horribly wrong
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I did get 2 similarily br players, one an archer and one a knight, your guaranteed is proven to be utter rubbish

I will let that sink in with you for a while now LOL.

[Wraithraiser]

Archers an knights have same stat bonus when it comes to patk unless I'm missing something.... there's no guarantee that the archer did something wrong if they're the same, means the knight did if they're not. Depends on active sylph too, like can't compare a knight with active athena to an archer with a herc for example. Just because they built differently doesn't mean one has an easier time with it.

On my server there's a similar BR knight but 20k more pdef, does that mean we have a harder/easier time building X stat between each other? Nope, just different build.

[Brutal_Hobo]

Archers an knights have same stat bonus when it comes to patk unless I'm missing something.... there's no guarantee that the archer did something wrong if they're the same, means the knight did if they're not. Depends on active sylph too, like can't compare a knight with active athena to an archer with a herc for example. Just because they built differently doesn't mean one has an easier time with it.

On my server there's a similar BR knight but 20k more pdef, does that mean we have a harder/easier time building X stat between each other? Nope, just different build.

well the example i used all had herc active
but thats not true
umm the levelling up stats
knights get +2 archers get +3
which is a round a 200 base difference as it is at level 80

and archers get the crit passives skills that knights dont get, so its even more damage added which doesnt show br
as i said, archers are built to produce damage


edit: i guess that just answered the very question that started this debate

How the hell does an archer do more damage in the atoll?

[Wraithraiser]

Fair enough, crit boosters are an archer specialty, and go past the stat aspect itself, tho when it comes to atoll it's a team event so once you get into sylph as long as you got an archer on team you'll do comparably same damage with same stats.

All that aside, archers were designed to be the big hitters of the game, way more so than knights

[Billy_McF]

and archers get the crit passives skills that knights dont get, so its even more damage added which doesnt show br
as i said, archers are built to produce damage
edit: i guess that just answered the very question that started this debate

Oh yes, I forgot that Crit is Archer only, and as such knights can in no way utilise the very same stat. How stupid of me

Edit:- it has also been offered here in the forum, that crit rate is actually irrelevant above 12k or thereabouts. It has also been discussed that knights/mages need less crit to have the same amount of crit sucess as archers.
Obviously this is all speculation as this is just info provided by players, not actual hard data.

2nd edit:- Maybe your getting confused as to the difference between crit and enhanced determination. One increases your crit CHANCE, the other your crit DAMAGE. You know which is which

[Brutal_Hobo]

Oh yes, I forgot that Crit is Archer only, and as such knights can in no way utilise the very same stat. How stupid of me

Edit:- it has also been offered here in the forum, that crit rate is actually irrelevant above 12k or thereabouts. It has also been discussed that knights/mages need less crit to have the same amount of crit sucess as archers.
Obviously this is all speculation as this is just info provided by players, not actual hard data.

2nd edit:- Maybe your getting confused as to the difference between crit and enhanced determination. One increases your crit CHANCE, the other your crit DAMAGE. You know which is which

no sorry it clearly says crit damage

[Billy_McF]

no sorry it clearly says crit damage [ATTACH=CONFIG]117569[/ATTACH]

And maybe your getting confused with passives and skills that you have to be lv80 to utilise

[Brutal_Hobo]

*** does active skills have anything to do with it?

a passive is exactly that a passive
it is constant damage always added much like the determination astral is constant damage

why cant you just say "sorry brutal hobo, you were right"
instead of digging yourself into a deeper hole

[Brutal_Hobo]

*** does active skills have anything to do with it?

a passive is exactly that a passive
it is constant damage always added much like the determination astral is constant damage

why cant you just say "sorry brutal hobo, you were right"
instead of digging yourself into a deeper hole


anyway if you want to go down that path
most of the archer skills have crit chance increases, where as knights and mages don't
so they are going to crit more either way

[Draggyy]

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Well your guarantee has been proved to be total ****. Here is a better example, where BR is within 1k. Guess who has better Patk??

beginning middle game, archer will get more bonuses from pve while they will focus on attack. When they max everything they will have similar attack yes since none of the classes has a damage % increase